Is Marijuana More Addictive Than Alcohol?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There you go
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a reply to: Jukiodone

Awesome. Thanks for the link By the way, I'd recommend writing a thread about this. It looks promising.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

OH here we are again, LOL

my forty-five year old daughter cant give it up




And my son who is thirty, thinks, yes it is, if not in a physical way, certainly in a psychological way.

I have a theory we don't know what is in it anymore, and now they alter it in many ways.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: rickymouse
I would vote that it does have addictive properties for some people. Some people can get addicted to alcohol also, but most get addicted to the way of life that alcohol steers you to. That isn't really a true addiction though, you get used to going to bars and talking to people who are more sociable when they drink. It is a social adjuvant.

Marijuana is definitely addictive. It just isn't as addictive as alcohol.

So is gambling...and porn...and Jebus...

All of these wreck lives more than what is mentioned in the article...but mostly because folk are runnin' around with undiagnosed 'conditions'...

A99

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CardiffGiant

Well said mate. End the war on drugs. Nothing good has come from it and people should be able to make their own decisions about what they want to put in their bodies. That includes ALL illegal narcotics.

PS: Buckethead is awesome!

because people have always made good decisions following their soveriegn right to poision themselves as they choose. i do recall a man eating someone's face...

People make bad decisions all the time. It's part of being alive. Why punish them for it?

You do know that the person who ate someone else's face was on bath salts right? The reason bath salts exist is because a powder drug that isn't harmful to you but makes you feel REALLY good is illegal.

Can we quit with the face eating rubbish, the guy was mentally ill, there were NO 'bath salts' in his system, not even marijuana. He was just a mentally ill person.

bath salts, mj is addictive.. good lord..

a reply to: Stormdancer777

I doubt that. Again, I cite the 20,000 peer reviewed studies that I mentioned in the OP about marijuana. Being able to say that we don't know enough about the plant is a HUGE lie.

a reply to: sn0rch

Thanks for the clarification. I never followed up on that story, but the information about bath salts is true. They are designer drugs trying to circumvent FDA narcotics scheduling because ecstasy is illegal.

a reply to: akushla99

Personal responsibility. If everyone just let everyone do what they want and take responsibility for their own actions instead of worrying about what we do "for our safety", society would be a happier place. Except harming others, that is a big no-no.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


Still, years ago I came to the conclusion mind altering substances purpose on this planet, are not for recreational use, but for spiritual,

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well that is a perfectly fine opinion to hold. Just don't try to push that thinking onto someone else. If you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it your business to make sure others don't.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

They have designer pot now too, and who knows what it is laced with now days.

I wouldn't touch anything I didn't grow myself this day and age, and I wouldn't want my money to go to funding drug cartels and terrorist

I'm straight however, but I had my day.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well it's a good thing this plant is pretty easy to grow in your own garden. Of course that is one of the reasons it is still illegal.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well that is a perfectly fine opinion to hold. Just don't try to push that thinking onto someone else. If you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it your business to make sure others don't.

just an opinion, I find alcohol much more dangerous, but that in times past was also used by the shaman to work with the spirits, why do you think they call it "spirits"

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well that is a perfectly fine opinion to hold. Just don't try to push that thinking onto someone else. If you don't agree with it, it doesn't make it your business to make sure others don't.

just an opinion, I find alcohol much more dangerous, but that in times past was also used by the shaman to work with the spirits, why do you think they call it "spirits"

I think it was howard marks that said, the only way to hurt yourself through MJ is if a huge create of it fell on your head.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Still, years ago I came to the conclusion mind altering substances purpose on this planet, are not for recreational use, but for spiritual,

i came to the conclusion that people use mj for a variety of reasons and all adults should be free to do so without having to worry about prison

originally posted by: rickymouse
Pot dampens your initiative to get ahead most times. This can be sort of addicting I suppose. It is a threat for consumerism as you don't want much more than a good stereo and a few practical things. It relieves stress for a lot of people but I do know some people that it makes very mean.

I would vote that it does have addictive properties for some people. Some people can get addicted to alcohol also, but most get addicted to the way of life that alcohol steers you to. That isn't really a true addiction though, you get used to going to bars and talking to people who are more sociable when they drink. It is a social adjuvant.

Comparing the two as to which is more addicting is hard because you have to consider the desire for the lifestyle and the companionship of your friends. Social drugs like these are hard to evaluate.

Not entirely true… alcohol can make you physically addicted, throwing you into tremors if you stop after long time abuse.

Mari isn't though is not physically addictive the same way because you don't experience physical withdrawl. You could however experince emotional withdrawl.

Having said that…. I fully understand why they want this peace of mind substance banned again…. but I don't agree one bit. For my sake consumerism and all that comes with it can burn in firey pits of doom.

Sugar is THE most addictive accepted substance there is. It's fast acting as you more or less get the sugar high instantly… you body will crave more of it, and because of the way sugar works in the body and affects the insulin production, going up and down means your body will ask for more and more.
Try going without sugar in your diet entirely for 10 - 14 days, you'll see the true color of this awful drug. Sugar withdrawl is every bit as nasty as alcohol.

Then we have nicotine which is beyond my understand why this is still legal both in cigaret form and as inhalers or misters. Nicotine is a poison, but you consume so little of it when addicted that you wont immediately notice the ill effects. Nicotine is indeed a self-sustaing habit. I smoked for 13 years and when I quit I understood how it can almost feel like it's sitting there inside like a little gremlin begging for more.

When we look in terms of fatality and costs to society as a whole due to treatment of lifestyle diseases, sugar, alcohol and tobacco are ALL more costly than Mari…….
- Sugar leads to circulatory failure and diabetes.
- Alcohol also circulatory and organ failure, along with innumerable trafic incidents with or without fatalities
- Tobacco leads to circulatory and lung diseases along with pesting the vicinity of the smoker.

Damn I hate the people who live below us…. I can't wait till it gets cold outside so they wont have their damn balcony door open all the time.

Now… Atleast here in Denmark, we really almost never hear about trafic accidents where the report states that the driver was high on Mari. If anything it's the chemical substances like speed etc. that is to blame the majority of the time.
People who smoke Mari are mellow… relaxed…. prefer to stay at home and chill out, eat some massive sandwiches etc.

In retrospect I made the mistake of trying out all the bad stuff before I was 20 (which is the earliest in my book that anyone should try anything, due to the fact that the human brain doesn't mature until then). I had 2 summers where it was all about skating and smoking weed thurs fri and saturday.
I didn't get addicted………. eventually it did become a gateway for me into trying the harder non-instantly addictive substances, but as with ALL substances, it's NEVER about the substance, but about the individual.

Here I am today, with a professional degree, my own business on the side, a steady girlfriend with whom I have 2 kids and a 3rd on the way.

What has happened though is that my consumerism ideals and wants are going away. The concepts faults blantantly obvious to me. And I guess that is enough to make it bad for the establishment.

Personally, I hope that the US will have more and more and more states going legal on this stuff and serv as an example, so that one day "free thinking" Denmark can also join the ranks of state run Mari farming and sales.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Krazysh0t

They have designer pot now too, and who knows what it is laced with now days.

I wouldn't touch anything I didn't grow myself this day and age, and I wouldn't want my money to go to funding drug cartels and terrorist

I'm straight however, but I had my day.

cartels and terrorists.....
ha.
the criminal element would go away almost over night if it were legalized.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

not sure about the relative addictiveness of either but i love them both equally

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Still, years ago I came to the conclusion mind altering substances purpose on this planet, are not for recreational use, but for spiritual,

Couldn't agree more…. It's weird though…. why is it that Mari is being legalized while noone is talking about legalizing mushrooms? Mushrooms are even MORE safe and with almost zero risks (again… bad episodes 100% depend on the individual and his or hers DNA profile that would dictate wether or not they are pre-disposed to become psychotic).

a reply to: Stormdancer777

That's a good question. Let's find out.
What is the origin for the term 'alcoholic spirits'?

2,000 years ago before any kind of mainstream science everything was believed to be of magical origin, and alchohol was believed to be made of literal spirits. The very adept Greeks realized that alchohol evaporated rapidly and figured that it did so because it was getting up and going somewhere else.

This may have also been the origin of the concept of a genie, people realized that some spirits were more "potent" than others, and created myths that some were very powerful, but could be imprisoned in a bottle since they were made of air.

Throughout history artists and poets and such have sought inspiration from "spirits", thus the stereotype of the drunk poet, and in modern culture, the musician seeking his muse in things such as '___' or THC.