The trend continues in August; The World is Warming as NASA says hottest on record

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Well, it'd be nice if the Earth doesn't get so messed up that we no longer have descendents.

That's just my opinion, though.

I was kind of thinking the same thing. It's simple to sit back and enjoy life today, but I have children. If we don't take any responsibility for our actions, then what kind of future can they kick back and enjoy?

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: Greven

I agree. Who's to say it's entirely our fault, or that it wouldn't happen anyway and either way - what's there to do?

Hold hands and recycle while we all sing folk songs?

It may be too late for a bottom up strategy, but of course it wouldn't hurt if we all do our part. At this point, I think we need a top down strategy which begins with the corporations (oil and gas mostly) and governments and what they can do on a global scale.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Rezlooper

I agree...local anomalies and anecdotal evidence do not prove a thing.

However, I would point out that you linked a story to forest fires in California. How can you poopoo others for describing what is happening in their neck of the woods when you did the same?

All of your links are newspapers or blogs. Nothing academic.

Our temperatures have not reached the levels that existed in previous interglacial periods. It is common, in interglacials, for temperatures to rise. Then they hit a peak and drop like a rock.

We are not outside of those norms.

99.99% of Doom Porn is just that: Doom Porn.

Each of those newspaper articles (aside from the forest fire) links to research studies and data. I'm sorry I'm a doom porn star, but I feel passionately about the release of methane gas and it's effects on climate change, so I have to share whatever it is that I come across.

originally posted by: Cynic
a reply to: Greven

It is precisely the science that is incorrect. The data was cherry picked by the IPCC in order to justify the implementation of the UN's Agenda 21.

Carbon taxation is the goal and is nothing but a blunt instrument which will be used to beat us into submitting to a New World Order.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it is the ultimate end game. Don't blame me when you are blind sided when it happens due to your ignorance of this Inconvenient Truth.

so in other words, you wouldn't care if the whole world's atmosphere were to become similar to that of what Beijing, China is experiencing right now.
www.theguardian.com...

here's Chinas own government talking about "cancer villages"
www.washingtonpost.com...

since I live in California, I'll show you a map of the AQI (air quality index) in our state around the wildfires along hwy. 50 going to lake Tahoe that are currently burning. at this moment it is showing readings of 163 and 183, this is particulate smoke clouds from 150-foot tall pine trees fully engulfed in flames....now look around the world and see the readings that are being shown, that DO NOT involve particulate smoke clouds from forest fires.
aqicn.org...

Funny that, we had a mild summer this year, only got over 100, maybe half a dozen times. Just enough to still tell that it was summer. I find it interesting that people still believe NASA.

a reply to: Rezlooper

I can attest to that! ....Bloody hot summers, bloody cold and long winters, no transitions. Winterpeg sucks the big one. The climate she's a'changin'. No doubt. ....No tomatoes to speak of - usually have way more than enough for myself and to share. No beans. No nothing except Swiss Chard. For which I am grateful. But time to re-learn the art of sprouting.

Here is a sampling of scientific discovery in the last 15 years.
January 2005 Mike Brown from the Palomar Observatory discovered 136199 Eris, this object became the 9th largest know object to be orbiting our Sun, this object is larger than Pluto and caused Pluto to lose its designation as a planet and to be reclassified as a planetoids.
The scientist claim that many of these smaller objects exist.

Mary Schweitzer in 2005 reportedly discovered soft tissues in a T-Rex femur fossil. This discover shows a link in amino acids that connect dinosaurs to modern chickens.

In 2006 by observing the "Bullet Cluster" they were able to confirm the existance of Dark Matter. These same scientists admit they still don't know what dark matter is but with there break threw will lead to other research into the matter.

In 2002 in Chad scientists found a human like skull that is 6-7 million years old. They named this creature Sahelanthropus tchadensis and its not known whether or not these beings walked on all fours or upright.

In 2009 scientists found the creature Ardipithecus ramidu, this human like ancestor is 4.4 million years old and replaced Lucy as the oldest human ancestor ever found.

In 2008 scientists using the Hubble Space telescope confirmed by seeing the first exoplanet ever discovered, since this discovery many other exoplanets have been confirmed.

Is anyone gonna debate or argue that these findings are false? I assume the creationists will argue and put money behind attempting to debunk the human like remains found, as it goes against there belief.

Really why do you believe infotainment industry when they have been proven to lie to further the ideological driven agenda?

You believe in the science that brought you televisions, personal computers, cell phones, cars. Do you watch weather forecasts? well that's science. Do you believe in the internet? another scientific creation?

Religious groups are running museums and are funding research attempting to debunk dating techniques and anything related to humans having ancient non human ancestors. You see how they are attempting to further there agenda?

Same way this climate change or whatever the label fits for this week, if industry wasn't pumping a huge amount of money into the denier movement, you wouldn't have been conditions depending on what media you watch.

Industry doesn't want regulation or taxes and you buy there propaganda hook line and sinker.

If industry decided to launch a campaign to debunk the internet exists I bet many people would believe it.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Here's a new article with some ideas for large cities and what they can do

How can cities save trillions, curb climate change and improve public health?

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Here is a sampling of scientific discovery in the last 15 years.
January 2005 Mike Brown from the Palomar Observatory discovered 136199 Eris, this object became the 9th largest know object to be orbiting our Sun, this object is larger than Pluto and caused Pluto to lose its designation as a planet and to be reclassified as a planetoids.
The scientist claim that many of these smaller objects exist.

Mary Schweitzer in 2005 reportedly discovered soft tissues in a T-Rex femur fossil. This discover shows a link in amino acids that connect dinosaurs to modern chickens.

In 2006 by observing the "Bullet Cluster" they were able to confirm the existance of Dark Matter. These same scientists admit they still don't know what dark matter is but with there break threw will lead to other research into the matter.

In 2002 in Chad scientists found a human like skull that is 6-7 million years old. They named this creature Sahelanthropus tchadensis and its not known whether or not these beings walked on all fours or upright.

In 2009 scientists found the creature Ardipithecus ramidu, this human like ancestor is 4.4 million years old and replaced Lucy as the oldest human ancestor ever found.

In 2008 scientists using the Hubble Space telescope confirmed by seeing the first exoplanet ever discovered, since this discovery many other exoplanets have been confirmed.

Is anyone gonna debate or argue that these findings are false? I assume the creationists will argue and put money behind attempting to debunk the human like remains found, as it goes against there belief.

Really why do you believe infotainment industry when they have been proven to lie to further the ideological driven agenda?

You believe in the science that brought you televisions, personal computers, cell phones, cars. Do you watch weather forecasts? well that's science. Do you believe in the internet? another scientific creation?

Religious groups are running museums and are funding research attempting to debunk dating techniques and anything related to humans having ancient non human ancestors. You see how they are attempting to further there agenda?

Same way this climate change or whatever the label fits for this week, if industry wasn't pumping a huge amount of money into the denier movement, you wouldn't have been conditions depending on what media you watch.

Industry doesn't want regulation or taxes and you buy there propaganda hook line and sinker.

If industry decided to launch a campaign to debunk the internet exists I bet many people would believe it.

Bravo. Stars are fun, but a thousand good wishes for you today.

Sure isn't hot where I'm at, and it traditionally is brutal. Coldest summer I've ever seen, in fact.

Hmmm..... No. This was actually a pretty cool summer at least here in the northeast US. It never hit 90 degrees in SE Pa for a second year in a row in August. No hurricanes, no droughts. It was a pretty mild and pleasant summer outside of the southwest and California drought. So while we definitely can say the earth isn't getting warmer, we can say that many cold records were broken this summer.
You're wasting your breath. Global warming is no longer a concern, nobody cares and nobody is worrying about it.
I thought September might be a bad month for hurricanes but now we're shifting to October for some nasty wet weather. And yes, we're worrying about record snows.

a reply to: Dutchowl

" we can say that many cold records were broken this summer. "

So, you did notice a change?

a reply to: Rezlooper

It's hard to say for sure because we're not privy to all the information at hand and the decision making processes; however, "nothing happens without a reason" seems to be applicable a whole lot of time. There could be other reasons involved such as increased automation and decreased job availability that are going to make the total socio-economic climate more severe that also tends towards those build ups. Historically, increased poverty and famine have led to a whole lot of crime, upheaval, and, in the extreme, death. There's a whole lot of writing on the wall that things are likely to be unpleasant in the future (or even near future). If you or I can see it, then odds are, so can they.

Also helps to have been poking my nose into different scholarly papers on the subjects of climate change and its effects. Pretty depressing stuff a lot of the time. The methane bursts are just one of those things. Another is the moving of the range and altering of what is flourishing and where. Critters are one thing but bacteria, viruses, and fungi are a whole other ball game.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Dutchowl

" we can say that many cold records were broken this summer. "

So, you did notice a change?

First off, no one's climate is actually changing. Calling anything Climate Change is just a big fat lie, as is Global Warming. And second, we have been seeing temperatures do the exact opposite of what's been predicted. The ice isn't completely gone - it's at record levels. The shoreline hasn't been washed over - Florida is still there. And we shattered cold temperature records in Winter, Spring, and Summer. And the word is this fall and winter will also be colder than normal. So why do you expect anyone to believe this garbage?

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
If I am not mistaken the sea temp's actually fluctuate the most .Could be something like volcanic activity .Could just be that big orange ball in the sky .One thing is for sure ,humans seem to have little effect on the climate system based on historical data . a reply to: WhiteAlice

Part of the fluctuation is the normal movement of water within the oceans. I never took a whole lot of marine ecology or biology (can't swim lol) but I did learn enough to realize that the oceans are a whole lot more complex than just big tubs of water. A very basic way of looking at the oceans is noting that there is the surface ocean (tends to be warmer) and the deep ocean (tends to be much colder). In some areas, the deep ocean gets moved up to the surface through the process of upwelling and causes mixing between that surface and deep ocean waters and bringing colder water temps along with it. That's a natural process and it basically creates a lot of variability in the oceans. Again, they aren't simple big tubs of water.

What's been happening apparently is that the surface temperatures in some areas are now cooling but that is because the overall deep ocean temperatures are warming. That's bad because much of the ocean's life depends on that interplay between the surface and deep ocean and that interplay is largely dependent on those different water temperatures (warm v. cool) and wind.

Here's a paper on the subject and it also includes discussion of sea level rise:

Warming of Global Abyssal and Deep Southern Ocean Waters between the
1990s and 2000s: Contributions to Global Heat and Sea Level Rise Budgets:
www.pmel.noaa.gov...

Lol, Global Warming. Iowa is unaffected by this than. We had a couple days in the summer that hit high 90's, but other than that, was pretty normal. If anything, it's getting colder where I live. We had snow in April earlier this year. And I can already see my breath outside in the late afternoon. Global Warming actually sounds kinda nice right now.

I remember in the 90s we'd get heat waves in Ohio usually June through July...now, we had summer for one month, and that was August and it didn't get that hot. Not really seeing this whole "warming" taking place, especially since I'm forced to roam around my apartment in sweat pants because it's freezing. As each year passes it gets colder and colder. I'll learn from what I see not what people tell me to believe. At the rate Ohio is going, if Ebola becomes airborne, it certainly won't last long after another month; too damn cold.

a reply to: Greven

Hmm, looking back over more information, I'm rather less certain that I was correct; the idea might be true at the equator, but elsewhere maybe not. Looking at the individual months from NOAA gives a distinctly different view; the land & ocean global mean from the 20th century here showing 12.3°C in March and 15.8°C in July.

While solar irradiance is somewhat higher in January than it is in July, there are other effects in play. For instance, the albedo of the Earth. Antarctica is pretty big and very reflective, so much of the radiation hitting it just shoots back off into space. Insolation is also different. It's annoying that there is so much conflicting information.

a reply to: jjkenobi

I am not a scientist. I don't expect you to believe me. I just know my personal experience in my local area and it concerns me. I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to food production. You do what you gotta do.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: jjkenobi

I am not a scientist. I don't expect you to believe me. I just know my personal experience in my local area and it concerns me. I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to food production. You do what you gotta do.

So what? We should allow GM crops that are drought proof etc. ?
Playing God like that is so bad, why? Because these crops will be introduced and thrive overtaking and wiping out natural species.

When messing around with the genetic makeup of these crops we don't know the long term health affects associated with consuming such genetically modified material.

If they were deemed detrimental in the long run, we'd have an uphill battle on our hands, as these crops would unnaturally be the dominant species, surviving in harsh conditions where the natural species can not.