The trend continues in August; The World is Warming as NASA says hottest on record

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ketsuko
but I draw the line when I'm told that merely by breathing, I'm destroying the world and all that's in it and all I have to do is pay an endless tithe to the high priests of the church of gaia in order to atone for the sin of living.

It's not the breathing that is causing the issue. It's the passing of gas. Cow Farts are part of it, but when you have red beans and rice for dinner, yea, you are a part of the problem. Hell the OP knows all about the Methane issues.

End the madness. take beano.

Well, then there is the evil water vapor in the atmosphere. It's the worst greenhouse gas of all. How dare the water cycle continue? We should turn the entire planet into a huge desert and save everyone from global warming.

a reply to: WhiteAlice

Haha ok then I disagree with you.

Look I'd like to sit here all night and debate with all you guys and girls until you thanked me for enlightening you all.

Look the world will always trump us. You plan for one disaster and another one pops it's head up and leaves you scratching your head as to what went wrong.

Look there's an eruption occurring in Iceland as we speak spewing out tonnes of SO2 and if it continues for months it could potentially turn into a Laki type eruption like in 1783 I believe it was.

Now that had drastic consequences on climate causing droughts and famine around the world and even harvest surpluses in France, with hot summer's and freezing winters in the US and Europe.

The point I'm making is that there's always an immediate danger. Climate changing scenarios that trump anything manmade, and there's nothing we can do to stop these things happening yet they will happen.

So let's chill out, and stop trying to pretend we can prevent all worldly disasters.

I am going to make a prediction about the deniers of climate CHANGE. When the stock markets begin to feel its effects, then the deniers will become criers. Food growers need PATTERNS in the weather to grow. Think long and hard about that. All the gold in the world will not replace food. Of course, then Monsanto and the like will step in and feed us their brand of soylent green. We are not fossils yet or brain dead, most of us anyway.

a reply to: Rezlooper

I think a list of countries where they had the hottest summer on record would be helpful in believing what nasa says. The only records broke where i am at is the amount of hay that has been harvested and the length of the gardens still alive and well today. I get the thought that patterns may have changed but where has the records been set?

a reply to: DAZ21

Considering that a huge portion of my education is, in fact, in ecology, I sincerely doubt that I would thank you for "enlightening me" to anything.

The difference between volcanic events and larger climatic events is that the former has a tendency of lasting just a couple years until the particulates in the atmosphere settle and the latter is persistent. If we chilled out and stop trying to prevent all worldly disasters, as you suggest, we would still be using CFCs which were scientifically proven to be catalysts of the disintegration of the ozone molecule (O3) to turn it into O2 + O, which is also called ozone depletion. We would be in even more trouble than we currently are if we hadn't globally banned CFCs in order to prevent that particular worldly disaster.

Burying one's head and declaring that we cannot prevent negative outcomes doesn't correct anything whether it's a personal issue or a global one.

a reply to: Chickensalad

Cherry picking in terms of scientific data would be saying that those handful of dissenters are correct despite the much, much larger scientific consensus that says they are wrong. So you can better understand what cherry picking is and isn't. Bold is to highlight the key portion of what is cherry picking and how it applies to these arguments.

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally. This fallacy is a major problem in public debate.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Rezlooper

Guess they weren't measuring by me. There hasn't been one person I know that's commented about our Summer that didn't say "This has been one of the nicest Summers; not too hot and very little humidity." LOL Summers in NYC are always both.

Ah but I guess the great academics will keep beating the global warming drum. They need to pay for their kids college tuition.

Leo vs. science: vanishing evidence for climate change

Energy program shows the dishonesty of climate change arguments: Guest opinion

originally posted by: MOMof3
I am going to make a prediction about the deniers of climate CHANGE. When the stock markets begin to feel its effects, then the deniers will become criers. Food growers need PATTERNS in the weather to grow. Think long and hard about that. All the gold in the world will not replace food. Of course, then Monsanto and the like will step in and feed us their brand of soylent green. We are not fossils yet or brain dead, most of us anyway.

Puhlease. The climate is changing. Man is not the cause. To say that 130 years is definite proof that AGW exists is akin to try fitting a square peg into a round hole. It's those that believe such BS that are the brain dead. BTW, have you noticed how quiet Al and his Inconvenient Truth are lately? Me thinks Mr. Gore knows that he has had is azz handed to him after the IPCC scientists were caught fudging their numbers to make them agree with their hue and rcy. Besides, just 40 years ago, these same bozos were screaming at the top of their lungs about a mini-Ice Age. Hypocrisy knows no bounds. Grow up.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: Chickensalad

Cherry picking in terms of scientific data would be saying that those handful of dissenters are correct despite the much, much larger scientific consensus that says they are wrong. So you can better understand what cherry picking is and isn't. Bold is to highlight the key portion of what is cherry picking and how it applies to these arguments.

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally. This fallacy is a major problem in public debate.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Next you are going to say that 99.99% of all scientists agree on AGW...consensus!Har!

a reply to: Cynic

I did not say man has effected the climate. Can you show me where I said that. That does not matter anymore. I don't follow Al Gore. We have a family farm since 1865.

originally posted by: DAZ21
Hold on didn't you guys just have one of the coldest winters in decades?

Oh also they are predicting another freezing winter this year. So which is it global warming or cooling, you can't pick and choose.

Climate extremes are the Biospheres attempt at returning to a viable mean. Think of a thermostat - how it swings between cooling and heating to maintain a 'set' point. Our planetary thermostat is broken, small swings have turned into huge swings of cold and hot the climate attempts to find a stable set point.

It's necessary for us to step back an view the system from a global perspective in both space and time. A cold winter doesn't average out a hot summer. The mean temperature is rising year after year after year.



Interesing corollary between rise of neo-liberal, free market reagonomics and mean global temperature?

a reply to: WhiteAlice

So picking and choosing what data best fits the 'scientific consensus' would be cherry picking.

The "science" is corrupted. Its not even real science. You dont get to decide what info and data is pertinent and just disregard the rest. And you damn sure dont get to alter data to fit agenda and call it science.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: DAZ21

Considering that a huge portion of my education is, in fact, in ecology, I sincerely doubt that I would thank you for "enlightening me" to anything.

Burying one's head and declaring that we cannot prevent negative outcomes doesn't correct anything whether it's a personal issue or a global one.

That first part of your post isn't very accurate is it really? Not enlightening you to anything would mean that you new everything, so I'm glad I could enlighten you on that point, firstly.

Come on don't put words in my mouth, you and I think you're smarter than that. I never said let's bury our heads in the sand or ignore major disaster planning. I was referring to things like volcano eruptions where nothing can be done to prevent them. If you want to find an imaginary cure for an imaginary ailment (manmade climate change), then be my guest.But please don't come knocking on my door for funding.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Cynic

I did not say man has effected the climate. Can you show me where I said that. That does not matter anymore. I don't follow Al Gore. We have a family farm since 1865.

I was in agri-lending for decades and I respect your chosen occupation. But please tell me what that has to do with AGW. I never denied that the climate was changing, merely stated that man made global warming is a myth and 130 years of data, cherry picked at that, is simply unadulterated tripe.

a reply to: Rezlooper

I'm in Socal and the temperature have been fairly mild. It's very hot now but September is often our hottest month.

What has changed dramatically this year is the amount of humidity. 20 years ago we didn't get anything over 15% during the summer. In the last 10 years, we've been getting high humidity during june quite a bit. This year the humidity is constant and high - it's miserable. This is our fire season and we're looking at thunder storms in SOCAL on thursday.

You have to see a longer view then "today in my backyard, I don't see no global warming".

Shout Out to MomOf3... sorry about your garden (sigh....)

a reply to: butcherguy

originally posted by: DAZ21
Hold on didn't you guys just have one of the coldest winters in decades?

Oh also they are predicting another freezing winter this year. So which is it global warming or cooling, you can't pick and choose.

One of the symptoms of global warming are colder temps in winters in some areas. Here's a good quote

Global warming refers to the whole planet, not just the United States. The term "global warming" typically refers to the rise in the average temperature of Earth's climate system since the late 19th century, as well as predictions for future warming. A key bit there is "Earth's average temperature." It can be very cold in one part of the world and very hot in another at the exact same time. (Sometimes the exact same weather event can do both: The jet stream is currently making some parts of the U.S. unusually hot and some parts unusually cold.)

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ketsuko

What does all that matter now? But why not prepare for what we all know; there is a changin a comin. Do you think you will be one of the lucky ones and not be touched by it? Or your children and grandchildren?

An aside - the deniers, I imagine are too afraid to confront the problem - it is much easier to say it doesn't exist - doesn't require any effort or thought. I suspect too, that many are young and without children.

It's a scary problem, with repercussions in every area in our lives and I agree with you that not doing anything is the worse possible approach to take - but I think that colleges are teaching it now a days - Avoidance and Obstruction 101.

a reply to: Cynic

I think this thread is about our personal experiences in our local areas. I don't know how it is changing. I just want us to use our big brains to prepare.

originally posted by: Chickensalad
You guys can call the opposition 'deniers' all you want, but if you continue to deny the FACT that the data you base your argument from has been manipulated, then you are more in denial than most.

Look, I can concede to the idea that its possible that the climate might be changing, but I will NOT be scared into believing that if I dont pay more taxes we're all gonna die....

Provide proof that the data has been "manipulated" if you are going to state that it is.