David Cameron - No to English Parliament

a reply to: andy06shake

The English did a bit more than just protest the Poll Tax, they rioted.

Good neighbours, I can only hope so but to be honest there is a lot of anti scots sentiment in England at the moment due to all the rhetoric against the English.

I hope you get Independence on Thursday as we'll only keep having these referendums until a yes vote wins and that would become to damaging to both our countries.

a reply to: flammadraco

Oh God! Hopefully not, David Cameron's only got so much of our money he can keep bribing them with, before we are milked dry.

a reply to: DAZ21

"milked dry"

Pun intended I imagine? LoL

Come the 18th your problems should be alleviated then regarding attempting to bribe us with the scraps from the table. Don't worry i'm sure we will still happily provide our English cousins with Oil, Gas, Whiskey and even tap water(especially over the summer months).

I've got a tune in mind for the 18th, "So long and thanks for all the fish!".

I have been pretty shocked at the amount of Nationalism coming out of the YES camp,
all this talk that they don't have this and that and westminister is to blame for it.

Westminister may well be to blame but some of the need to look at the people of the rest of UK, it's not
like I'm walking on streets paved with Gold here just south of the border in Cumbria,
we have the same problems Scotland has.

I've seen threads online where people from my area joke "Take us with you if you leave"

I've said it before Scotland with a yes vote will either do about the same as they are now or be even worse off.
It will also remove a lot of liberals from the vote which in turn would help UKIP and Tory come the General Election
and that my friends is a nightmare.


I've never once said in my life "Kick Scotland out of the union, the ginger haired, Rab C Nesbitt, Tennants drinking
Chavs" but some of the comments from the Yes camp have been pretty vitriolic against us English.

I'm British, whatever. if it all goes tits up, rebuild hadriens wall so they can't come back once they go BOOM like greece.

At least Salmond has made a name for himself (eyerolls)

a reply to: Taggart

That's one drawback to be sure, i really cant stand Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon for that matter, but i do wish to be free and for my children to enjoy said freedom. Maybe we will be jumping out of the fat and into the fire in some respects, but if indeed we do fail, we will have done so on our own two feet. That being said there are not that many nations that fail that are as rich regarding Oil, Gas and other natural resources.

Freedom it seems has its price!

Any anti-English sentiment is always directed at the city traders and their lackeys who are only interested in a making a fast profit by flogging off other peoples investments. Normal English people have suffered just as much if not more. Traditional London East-Ender residents like the Cockneys have been completely displaced beyond the M25. Those that lived in the "Black country" in the centre of England and in the North of England suffered just as much under Mrs. T as the Scots did when she decided Britain was to become a "financial services" hub.

Scotland does have agriculture and food production, particularly important since the UK imports 50% of its food. Then we have oil/gas exploration services that can be sold worldwide, not just North Sea production.

a reply to: Taggart
So it is the alleged anti English racism you don't like the you make a hugely racist post.
Also Hadrian's wall is entirely in England so unless you are giving us an extra few hundred square miles of territory!

a reply to: andy06shake

Haha damn, you got me.

Look I just hope the majority of the Scottish people get what they want and vote for.

I honestly hope it just won't have too many negative affects for either side regardless of the outcome. But I think it will for either or both of us and that's what worries me.

Will we look back and wish this had never happened? I hope not...

a reply to: DAZ21

The majority of the Scottish people wish the people of England nothing but the best also, it's the politicians we have a problem with. I hope both our nations can continue to cooperate and prosper in the coming years because at the end of the day we need each other, we just don't need to be tied together in the manner we have been for the past few hundred years.

a reply to: andy06shake

I realise that most Scottish folk don't wish anything bad against the English. Most of my closest friends are Scottish and we all love the banter but it's the more uneducated minority of the YES campaign that are causing the issues between the Scots and the English. I can imagine my friends in Coatbridge will be voting Yes and my friends in Edinburgh will be voting no in Thursday.

However back on topic which none of us really have been in this thread, it's outrageous that Cameron has promised extra money and powers in the event of a No vote to Scotland. No issue with more devolved powers but extra money! Sounds like bribery to me at the cost to the English and Welsh. It's not on!

I wrote a hugely racist post?

I guess you meant this part of my post

I've never once said in my life "Kick Scotland out of the union, the ginger haired, Rab C Nesbitt, Tennants drinking Chavs" but some of the comments from the Yes camp have been pretty vitriolic against us English.

I was obviously saying I have never said that BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE, Yet the Braveheart brigade don't take long to knock the English that is what I'm saying.

As for Hadrians wall, I live in Cumbria I know where it is. In fact a 15 minute drive and I'm there.
All Territory aside, remember why it is there.

andy06shake

That being said there are not that many nations that fail that are as rich regarding Oil, Gas and other natural resources.

So you want to leave a union that you have been part of for hundreds of years because you think you might get some of that Oil, Gas or at least money from it. Lol.
I'll believe that when I see it.
The people never see it.

Double post ?

a reply to: flammadraco

My pals are also from similar walks of life, all through rather a few of my Edinburgh buddies are most definitely in the YES camp, and truth be told, a lot more politically active than loads of my other friends from shall we say underprivileged areas. That being said, as a rule of thumb anyone who lives in the underprivileged areas and experiences poverty in their everyday life, like people from Coatbridge, myself included will indeed be voting YES on the 18th. Its my thinking that its the housing schemes that will indeed secure a YES vote in this referendum.

Cameron's grasping at straws now, if he was a ship he would be named the Titanic, that's why he is dangling imaginary monies and other such sweets in an attempt to ensure a no vote.

a reply to: andy06shake

The thing is, these folk from towns such as Coatbridge that do have a lot of poverty will not benefit from the extra oil revenue etc. At best these people will keep the status quo and yet these are the very same people the YES campaign is hoping to attract.

a reply to: Taggart

"So you want to leave a union that you have been part of for hundreds of years because you think you might get some of that Oil, Gas or at least money from it. Lol."

That's what you took from my post??? That im in it for the ££££? SAD!

I don't want to be part of the United Kingdom any longer because I do not hold with the political administration at the helm of said nation or what we get up to abroad. Lets see how many wars Scotland gets involved in should our independence come around. I wish my national health service to remain in the hands of our people rather than to be privatised. There are many a reason I wish for independence the least of which has anything to do with money.

As to the Oil and Gas, it already geographically ours, deal with it! We will sell it to England, of that you of that you can be sure. Or they can go beg Russia for some. Some how i imagine we will offer a sweeter deal and require less compliance than our Russian cousins will.

I will most lightly lose money out of our independence, but my children will benefit and be FREE! There's my motivation right there i couldn't give a rats arse as to short term monetary gain which is very unlikely to happen anyway. LoL

To win the NO vote, instead of sending "call me Dave" and his pretty boys up there, he should've just promised everyone in Wales, N.Ireland and England a huge tax break.

That would've secured the NO vote in an instant lol

a reply to: flammadraco

I'd rather be poor and free any day of the week than suffer under the yoke of Westminster any longer If that makes any sense!

Those dudes at Westminster will most lightly, in the not too distant future, involve what's left of the United Kingdom in the next World War or at the very least in another middle eastern conflict. I crap you not, It's a possible scenario given the current geopolitical climate!

That's why the current facilities at Faslane are also an issue should Scotland become independent. Will Scotland be less of a target should Faslane somehow close or be relocated along with their Nuclear arsenal? Truth is it don't really matter if Russia decided to lob a couple of 10Mt or 20Mt devices in London's direction, Glasgow and most of the rest of Scotland would be screwed anyway.

a reply to: andy06shake

I do understand, I do also believe that certain things should have been sorted out by both the YES and NO camps before setting the referendum, such as the currency, jobs, oil revenue. I think more facts should have been offered for everyone to make a more informed decision.

I watched a program on BBC2 last night being narrated by a Scottish comedian (can't remember the name) and he made a very good point that there should be an independent arbitrator who would state what was fact or fiction in both the media and correcting politicians on both sides when making frivolous comments.

a reply to: flammadraco

Kevin Bridges has some hilarious repertoire regarding our referendum.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: andy06shake

That's the one

yes he was very funny and was great way to see both sides of the debate without the rhetoric.

Loved the banter he had with the chap from Newcastle.