Will an independant Scotland be part of NATO, UN treatise. Have a Military?

a reply to: midicon

Salmond is not providing answers to very important questions, Scotland could be well and truly sunk forever and the people there left to pay in every way.

Would you rather people didn't tell you to wake up and smell the coffee.

I personally think that because there is such a them and us blame game going on is an indication that we ware not a United Kingdom and Scottish independance is the correct way forward.

On a side not Liechtenstein has no Armed forces and has as far as I can find out has no reported terrorist attacks.a reply to: flammadraco

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: nonspecific
That was a failed low budget attack on the United Kingdom because of the war in Iraq. Had scotland not been part of The UK and involved in the war I doubt they would have chosen that target.a reply to: flammadraco

Had Scotland not been part of the UK in 2007, then the UK would not have had a "Scottish Prime Minister" to take us into war with Iraq etc. You all seem to forget that it was two "Scottish Prime Ministers" who lead us into war and left the Country Broke, Sweet FA to do with the English.

Yeah Tony may have been born here,, left at the age of three.

Tell me about the huge majority of English Politicians who voted with Tony to Illegally invade Iraq and Afghanistan at the time when 1 million people across the UK took to the streets to oppose it. So what he is Scottish, The decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan was a plan hatched between London and Washington. Nothing to do with Blairs birthplace. and certainly nothing to do with Scotland.

So because he left at "3" he's not Scottish enough for you then? He was Scottish as was Gordon Brown and both left the UK in an appalling mess along with their cabinet made up off with plenty of other Scottish folk.

In the same way your mentality is blaming the English for all you woes, I blame the Scots for bringing this country to its knees with Blair and Brown nearly bankrupting us and taking us to war.

You say its nothing to do with the Scots and yet Blair was the chap that gave Scotland their devolved government in his first term. Do you know the history of Scotland, I am not talking about Brave heart and William Wallace, I'm talking just the last twenty years or so?

originally posted by: nonspecific
I personally think that because there is such a them and us blame game going on is an indication that we ware not a United Kingdom and Scottish independance is the correct way forward.

On a side not Liechtenstein has no Armed forces and has as far as I can find out has no reported terrorist attacks.a reply to: flammadraco

Don't mean to be rude, but you were not even aware that Blair was Scottish, as such I really don't give much credence to anything else you have to add to this debate.

a reply to: flammadraco

The Scots don't blame the English...even the English blame Westminster. We can't do anything about Gordon Brown and now because of this independence vote he has come crawling out of the woodwork trying to re-insert himself in the limelight. I don't think he realises how unpopular he is. This election has made me look for the first time at Holyrood, I tell you they are a sad bunch up here. The following election will be fun as there are no conservatives and a Labour party that has been singing the Miliband mantra. We will have Brown taking over from Lamont...she looks and sounds like someone who's been dragged up and dragged off a bus...and Brown is living in la la land...

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: nonspecific
I personally think that because there is such a them and us blame game going on is an indication that we ware not a United Kingdom and Scottish independance is the correct way forward.

On a side not Liechtenstein has no Armed forces and has as far as I can find out has no reported terrorist attacks.a reply to: flammadraco

Don't mean to be rude, but you were not even aware that Blair was Scottish, as such I really don't give much credence to anything else you have to add to this debate.

I think you do meanto be rude, because I was not aware of a piece of information you will now disregard anything I say at all. WOW, I will leave you and your omnipitence to continue your debate.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: Soloprotocol

There are some who resent the thought that we might choose a path of self determination. Not only that, but that we might succeed in making things a littie fairer in society. They dress their own motivations up in the guise of fake concern, secretly hoping we fail that they might turn their backs on us. We are constantly told what we cannot have, never once what we can. Where is the friendship? We are being treated like an enemy if we choose independence. It may be that we will need an alliance to protect us from our aggressive neighbours.

Damn right Brother.
Scotland has decided to stand up to Westminster and refuse to be bullied and dragged into more illegal wars, more austerity, more Weapons of mass destruction, oh the irony of that one" more privatisation etc..I dont see anyone else having a go.?
Despite all the talk from pro unionists here about how we can change things together, all they seem to want to do is sit on their arses and HOPE things change.

The Time for sitting is over.

Despite all the doom and gloom from some members here maybe the World will look back on this time and at the very least say,,Hey at least Scotland did try and do something about the BS in the World...
Maybe worldwide Nuclear disarmament starts here...I doubt it, but i can tell my Grandkids at least i tried.

I'll hold my head high when i put my X in that box..i suspect the NO voters will be too ashamed to even talk about it to their Grandkids.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

I think you know what I mean. Most of us have no illusions and it takes courage over fear sometimes to embrace change. We only get one shot at this...I wish you had the same choice, that is, to break away from the current political system.

It isn't about Salmond's answers, at the beginning of the debates even Darling said that Scotland could stand alone.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: flammadraco

The Scots don't blame the English...even the English blame Westminster. We can't do anything about Gordon Brown and now because of this independence vote he has come crawling out of the woodwork trying to re-insert himself in the limelight. I don't think he realises how unpopular he is. This election has made me look for the first time at Holyrood, I tell you they are a sad bunch up here. The following election will be fun as there are no conservatives and a Labour party that has been singing the Miliband mantra. We will have Brown taking over from Lamont...she looks and sounds like some who's been dragged up and dragged off a bus...and Brown is living in la la land...

I agree that some Scots (mainly on the East Coast) do not blame the English and do blame Westminster, but the NO campaigners cannot put posters in their window as their windows are being smashed. The amount of Anglophobia and sectarianism is rife and even more so during this whole debate. I lived in Coatbridge and Glasgow for 8 years so I saw both these hate crimes first hand.

SNP will not exist after the next election as if the YES vote wins there will be no need for the SNP, if the NO vote wins then Salmond will take a thrashing at the next election if he does not do the honourable thing by stepping down before hand.

a reply to: flammadraco
The People of Scotland gave Scotland it's Government, we demanded it, in fact we wanted more than just a building and Politicians to fill.... and here we are today, on the cusp of getting shot of Westminster for good..
I wouldn't credit a single Politician or political party with regards to Holyrood. it was the will of the people..

If you Blame the Scots then why dont you do something about it...Like we are today. Get off yer arse and kick us out. Please.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: flammadraco
The People of Scotland gave Scotland it's Government, we demanded it, in fact we wanted more than just a building and Politicians to fill.... and here we are today, on the cusp of getting shot of Westminster for good..
I wouldn't credit a single Politician or political party with regards to Holyrood. it was the will of the people..

If you Blame the Scots then why dont you do something about it...Like we are today. Get off yer arse and kick us out. Please.

Wish I could, the best I can hope for is that "Brave Heart" is being shown tomorrow night in Scotland, that should help the "YES" vote.

Will An Independent be part of Nato with it's own Military?

Hahahaha Not a chance.... if they go independent they won't be able to afford the clothes on their backs let alone support a military of their own.

Scotland..... for a country with so much history... it sure seems they are devoid of the wise!

Korg.

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: flammadraco
The People of Scotland gave Scotland it's Government, we demanded it, in fact we wanted more than just a building and Politicians to fill.... and here we are today, on the cusp of getting shot of Westminster for good..
I wouldn't credit a single Politician or political party with regards to Holyrood. it was the will of the people..

If you Blame the Scots then why dont you do something about it...Like we are today. Get off yer arse and kick us out. Please.

Wish I could, the best I can hope for is that "Brave Heart" is being shown tomorrow night in Scotland, that should help the "YES" vote.

Is that all you got.."Braveheart BS"

originally posted by: nonspecific

On a side not Liechtenstein has no Armed forces and has as far as I can find out has no reported terrorist attacks.a reply to: flammadraco

Spot on why do they need a military who is going to attack them ? If they were attacked NATO would step in as they would not want hostilities on their border(s). Public opinion and public opinion only would stop the megalomaniacs that run the NATO countries attacking/bullying them , so maybe one day when we are all drones they may be for the chop, but at least they have a chance of a period of time in the Sun ( not bloody likely in Scotland ; p) away from the rest of the madness .

On a side note much of the UK would abandon Westminster in a jot if given the chance , there is no faith in the current system of government or the 3 main political parties half the country do not bother to vote , often citing "what's the point..." we have fought for our beliefs over the past 30 years and seen false promises, lies to get us into war , lies to reduce our quality of life, lies to steal our children's futures/education, lies to take our pensions, lies to bring the NHS to the brink, we know they do not care, they just do enough so we don't rise up, keep us as controllable as possible . There is no morale compass left and the puppet show that is our governance is all to obvious for the public to see. I naively see this vote as a possible chance for something progressive in Scotland .

(I realistically see it as something that is being played out for a financial/social power play the results of which I fear the Scottish people and their vote will have nothing to do with ...)

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Will An Independent be part of Nato with it's own Military?

Hahahaha Not a chance.... if they go independent they won't be able to afford the clothes on their backs let alone support a military of their own.

Scotland..... for a country with so much history... it sure seems they are devoid of the wise!

Korg.

48 hours of oil left for you...Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

a reply to: flammadraco

It is the same for the yes supporters, I can't put a sticker on my car...my neice had her window targeted.

I don't know how the SNP will continue, they may just re-brand themselves. I think they will win the following election. The other parties will have to somehow offer something new if they want to challenge them. This too may be a wake up call for the English people.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Will An Independent be part of Nato with it's own Military?

Hahahaha Not a chance.... if they go independent they won't be able to afford the clothes on their backs let alone support a military of their own.

Scotland..... for a country with so much history... it sure seems they are devoid of the wise!

Korg.

48 hours of oil left for you...Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

Oh that old nutshell..

So the Scottish think they have leverage over us with oil price? Is that it??

Firstly and fore-mostly Scotland DOES NOT OWN the oil in the North Sea..... Secondly the only revenue Scotland sees of this is in tax revenue for the pipeline.

Guess the pipeline will be extended south of the boarder and hey presto... no more Tax revenue for Scotland!

I say let's hope you Scots vote yes! Then I'll sit back and enjoy watching your country implode under the financial strain of Debt and the inability to supply basics like NHS and Social benefit and care.... Then watch as your house prices tumble to the point where you couldn't afford to even emigrate to England.... not that we would want you here after your Disgusting display of Anti English attitudes.

I'll watch and laugh as all the businesses leave Scotland...

What you are going to be left with is some nice country side.....

Hope you know how to make fire from very damp wood!

Korg.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

It's all Salmond's got.

Scotland isn't harbouring some pot of gold somewhere, it isn't getting finances from anywhere else. If Scotland left the UK, the UK would leave Scotland and that's a big gap.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: flammadraco
The People of Scotland gave Scotland it's Government, we demanded it, in fact we wanted more than just a building and Politicians to fill.... and here we are today, on the cusp of getting shot of Westminster for good..
I wouldn't credit a single Politician or political party with regards to Holyrood. it was the will of the people..

If you Blame the Scots then why dont you do something about it...Like we are today. Get off yer arse and kick us out. Please.

Wish I could, the best I can hope for is that "Brave Heart" is being shown tomorrow night in Scotland, that should help the "YES" vote.

Is that all you got.."Braveheart BS"

Yep! as its the only drivel that will almost guarantee the YES vote,

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: flammadraco

his too may be a wake up call for the English people.

It most certainly is a wake up call to us in the South, especially when the three main party leaders are now pondering to the undecided by offering more power and money for a NO vote. Which will come directly from the English and the Welsh pockets with Wales loosing some £300 million per annum to subsidise these promises made by these leaders.