NBC’s 3 Steps for Home Invasion Defense: Use Wasp Spray Illegally, Treat Invader ‘Like Royalty'

originally posted by: apydomis
Guns are for crazy people and drug dealers.
If someone storms my home, it's full paint cans suspended from rope, right in the face. I've also greased the floors in front of all windows, scatter marbles in front of the doors at night, and put roller skates on the stairs. I also screw plywood over all openings once I am safely inside with my fake t.v. turned on. And yes, it makes me feel safe without dangerous guns in the house.

I loved that movie.

To those either squeamish, or feel killing is repugnant on a moral level, please allow me to state the (possibly) not so obvious.

Shoot. to. kill.

You may think that maiming is more humane, they get to live, you've defended your place, etc. But, when they heal, they WILL sue the hell outta you and often the courts will let them.

And they'll WIN.

And via lawyers & judgments you'll be assaulted AGAIN.

So please, don't see it as taking a life, see it as protecting yourself & your family.

You/they're worth it, I promise.

(For those that don't believe this, look it up, it's insane)

This reminds me of a South Park episode. The town was preparing for a volcano eruption. They were teaching everyone to duck and cover and the lava would magically leap frog over them. This would produce the same results

a reply to: NonsensicalUserName

furthermore while the producers are celebs, the actual advice-giving source appears to be a hostage-negotiator/police officer with several years experience, and who's probably more qualified than you to talk about this sort of thing.

Then I have to ask....

If wasp spray is so effing great, why doesn't the NYPD switch out their handguns with it?

Hey i get that a gun is the better method of stopping an assult or theft but when you pull that trigger these days be prepared to spend much time in jail because the same ones that make crazy reports like this have a way to make you out to be a criminal. Especially if you have been robbed before and sit in wait for a thief to come back. i have heard if you video yourself cutting off a head of someone then they do not really care if you do that.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
Not everybody owns a gun, or wants one. I keep a little thing of pepperspray in my bedside table and car, but not adverse to using bugspray if that wasn't enough. Or if I should miss, which I understand happens quite often. Squirming, attacking interlopers don't make ready pepperspray targets.

A little advice on Pepper Spray.

It works about 15 seconds after its been sprayed.

I would recommend blunt force trauma.

Also if a home invader breaks in with a gun your spray is useless.

Well, this is not very good news. Don't think the blunt force trauma is going to work for me either. The spirit is willing, but the muscles are weak. lol.

This is actually my plan: If I awaken and hear someone in the house. Quietly lock my bedroom door, call LE.
Let the greedy jackass take whatever he wants. Stay put and wait.

IF he breaks into my bedroom, then therein lies the problem. I will assume he is coming for me. This is when I plan to do something terrible to him.

I will curse him out in my meanest voice. I can be scary. Spray him with bear spray, and run out the door if I can get to it. If I can't, while he's suffering with the bear spray, I will beat him up. Eyes and scrotum, ya know.

lol. That's my plan.

originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: NavyDoc

I don't think you get it.

it's not like most rapes are the violent (dark alley in shady neighborhood at night)-kind anyway, usually they're someone the victim knows, either a boyfriend or acquaintance, or classmate.


I think the "not carrying a gun" part is more about not having it used against you or ripped out of your hands in close quarters. or misfiring, or whatever.

furthermore while the producers are celebs, the actual advice-giving source appears to be a hostage-negotiator/police officer with several years experience, and who's probably more qualified than you to talk about this sort of thing.

No, I don't think you get it. Both NavyDoc and I are combat vets and well versed on tactical situations.

Being a Navy corpman, he's probably seen far more combat than I have from my helicopter.

It's always a pleasure seeing people who have never been in a fire fight espouse their beliefs on how fire fights take place.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Bear spray and other aerosol defensive weapons have a serious flaw, I can tell you from experience, when you pepper spray someone you will also suffer the effects of it.

Bear spray indoors is a good way to subdue yourself. If you believe that you'll make it more than 30ft after running through the cloud you just sprayed your're about to have a bad, bad day.

For non lethal means I prefer using my collapsible baton. I've used it to great success from multiple attackers before when I didn't carry my gun.

Equip yourself with options. Don't limit yourself because self defense situations are dynamic and all plans fail upon contact with the enemy.

originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: NavyDoc

I don't think you get it.

it's not like most rapes are the violent (dark alley in shady neighborhood at night)-kind anyway, usually they're someone the victim knows, either a boyfriend or acquaintance, or classmate.

I think the "not carrying a gun" part is more about not having it used against you or ripped out of your hands in close quarters. or misfiring, or whatever.

furthermore while the producers are celebs, the actual advice-giving source appears to be a hostage-negotiator/police officer with several years experience, and who's probably more qualified than you to talk about this sort of thing.

Actually, I think NavyDoc got it pretty clear. You, on the other hand, not so much. You don't know what his qualifications are, so to question those is a bit ridiculous. How many home invasions has the hostage negotiator actually been involved in, in his own home? I highly doubt if a cop was home invaded he'd grab a can of wasp spray. Just sayin'...

This response has that certain smell of troll.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Bear spray and other aerosol defensive weapons have a serious flaw, I can tell you from experience, when you pepper spray someone you will also suffer the effects of it.

Bear spray indoors is a good way to subdue yourself. If you believe that you'll make it more than 30ft after running through the cloud you just sprayed your're about to have a bad, bad day.

For non lethal means I prefer using my collapsible baton. I've used it to great success from multiple attackers before when I didn't carry my gun.

Equip yourself with options. Don't limit yourself because self defense situations are dynamic and all plans fail upon contact with the enemy.

This. I'll take our custom Mossberg 12g over pepper spray any day. And our nice old Louisville Slugger for a back up, non-firing type of weapon. Also have a slew of knives, a couple swords, and some other junk that could hurt an intruder. I feel really bad for anyone who decides to try and ever come thru our doors uninvited...

a reply to: NonsensicalUserName

Quick question, what exactly do you think this pig would do facing a group or even lone home invader? Do you really believe he'll be reaching for his wasp spray? Like really? You think that? Just curious on the level of naivety...

Just call the police, that is the responsible choice. I know people distrust cops but if the police spent time stopping home invaders they wouldn't have so much time to tase old people and shoot puppy dogs. They're probably saying this because they don't want more Oscar Pistorius type shootings. YOU may be perfectly at home with an AR-15 but some people can't even figure out how to operate their Wi-Fi so it's dangerous to just tell people "hey, get a gun and yee-haw your way to glory!"

if i had millions of dollars and i was a high profile celebrity with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stuff in my lavish home, sure i might own a gun or two.

How would i keep my home, my family and my stuff safe?

Id build a bloody massive wall around my house with a huge front gate. It might not be pretty but it doesnt have to be, the house is the thing i live in, i dont stare out of my window for hours on end so a huge wall wouldnt bother me.

Alas im poor and not high profile so i dont have these things to worry about, a gun is the very last line of defense in my book, if intruders get in you have already failed in my opinion.

originally posted by: bullhunter
Just call the police, that is the responsible choice.

Right. Because in many violent, home invasion scenarios you have the luxury of popping a brew or two, kicking back and waiting for the cavalry to show up.

a reply to: bullhunter

Most violent confrontations start and end in seconds to a minute.

Cops take at LEAST 10 to 15 minutes to arrive.

How is calling the cops the responsible thing?

Responsibility would be taking your own safety seriously.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: bullhunter
Just call the police, that is the responsible choice.

Right. Because in many violent, home invasion scenarios you have the luxury of popping a brew or two, kicking back and waiting for the cavalry to show up.

Yeah of course you do man everyone knows this... See this is what you do...

Step one: Ask thug to hold up a second...
Step two: Search for your phone, if it isn't at hand ask the thug to borrow his, hell he may even have your phone, they'll obviously give it back so you can make a quick 911 call.
Step three: Tell the thug the police will be on their way soon so if they would kinda wait you'll get the kettle on.

I mean it is really that simple... XD

reply to: projectvxn

It depends where you live, in a bigger city they can be at any point in five minutes or less, especially with helicopters. The point of the article is that if you give them money or your tv, the cops will be able to catch them and you will be unharmed.

I'm not saying don't use guns, or self defense, but I can imagine the news link's article is aimed at people who may be safer to not have guns on them. Maybe you missed that part (YOU may be at home with an AR-15...) but for the average person who never shot a gun in their life, either A) they'd shoot themselves, B) they'd miss, or C) the gun will be taken from them and the invaders will be quite pissed that the home owner tried to shoot them. Not everyone is a John Wayne. Personally I'd beat a home invader with my bare hands because I'm trained in martial arts, but I'm not gonna suggest that method to the nation because an inexperienced person will punch incorrectly and break their hand. An inexperienced person with a gun could do even worse self harm.

a reply to: bullhunter

I understand the point of the article.

And it's BS.

Never, EVER, rely on the mercy of a criminal invading your home.

a reply to: bullhunter

I'm not saying don't use guns, or self defense, but I can imagine the news link's article is aimed at people who may be safer to not have guns on them. Maybe you missed that part (YOU may be at home with an AR-15...) but for the average person who never shot a gun in their life, either A) they'd shoot themselves, B) they'd miss, or C) the gun will be taken from them and the invaders will be quite pissed that the home owner tried to shoot them. Not everyone is a John Wayne. Personally I'd beat a home invader with my bare hands because I'm trained in martial arts, but I'm not gonna suggest that method to the nation because an inexperienced person will punch incorrectly and break their hand. An inexperienced person with a gun could do even worse self harm.

You hear arguments like this all the time.

They are not based in reality.

Tactical situations, weapons and defensive tactics are a HUGE part of my business.

Please don't tell me how to do my job.

originally posted by: bullhunter
It depends where you live, in a bigger city they can be at any point in five minutes or less, especially with helicopters.

Five minutes is an eternity in a violent, home invasion scenario. And what good is a helicopter? They going to launch a Hellfire missile into my house to save me?

The point of the article is that if you give them money or your tv, the cops will be able to catch them and you will be unharmed.

How? Not like I keep a dye pack with my cash.

Maybe you missed that part (YOU may be at home with an AR-15...)...

I would never use my AR for home defense. My handguns and shotgun are much more suited for that purpose.

Personally I'd beat a home invader with my bare hands because I'm trained in martial arts...

And if the person breaking in has a firearm? You gonna slap a triangle on him while he holds still?