If Russia loses against US and West, Game Over for all of us. Here is our life without Russia and Ch

Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I see it as a middle aged American living day by day as most others.

The American People in general don't agree with what our Gov. and Military has been doing for a years and have no power or influence to stop any of it. We would simply rather let other nations do there own thing if we had our choice, but we don't. If the "fit hits the shan" be it with Russia and China or whoever, we are all F*cked as it will most likely go one of two ways, with both of them leaving us normal people eating sh*t that we don't deserve.

Our so called leaders who have been causing all the trouble against our wishes will either stick to their guns and go down fighting with every last breath they can muster meaning that if they are showing signs of being beaten they will try an all out offensive and screw up the entire planet for everyone.

On the other hand, they may just decide to jump ship with there wealth and leave the rest of the western populous to fend for themselves in a War that they started but leave others to finish. So either way, us typical Americans who never wanted Anything to do with Middle Eastern Wars, Occupation of other Nations with our Military, etc. are just screwed.

Now, if however, American Military Might and Political Deception actually works for us and we stay in power then we can look forward to more Police State BS, Political Corruption, Corporate Dominance Crushing Humanity and Wall Street Economic Madness leading to more income inequality, Environmental Ruin, despotism and basically an all around crap life. That's just on our side. As for the rest of the world...

Well, the rest of the world would of course have to look forward to basically just more of the same old intrusion, corruption and BS that the American Power Elite has already been doing to you already. Only there will just be more of it and with less hesitation than before.

So, all and all, from my perspective it looks pretty grim for about 99% of us folks because let's face it, 99% of humanity pretty much are being ruled and pushed around by the 1% of humanity who are total f*cking Assholes who just can't get with the program. So regardless of "who's winning" be it the West or Russia or China or Terrorists or Corporate RoundTable Groups, most of us are nothing but "Food for the Machine".

I know that may sound a bit grim, but that's how it looks to me and I've been watching fairly close now for about 4 decades. Personally, I've become somewhat bored now and in many ways simply want the whole thing to just go ahead and "pop" as I've become tired of dealing with all the "Doom Porn Foreplay". I used to be angry thinking about how so many innocent, normal, kind people have and will suffer because of the sh*t heads who run this world but I've stopped caring about alot of it since I can't stop it and caring that burden around with me just sucks the life out of me.

So I say, do it already!!! You f*cking A-holes can have it for all I care....Take the whole damn planet for all I care, you've already poisoned it, raped it, bombed it and face f*cked mother nature and her children for so long at this point, I don't even care anymore. Take it all and choke on it you stupid, greedy, war pig pieces of sh*t!! I'm sick of it and want no part of it anymore.

originally posted by: BettyHill400
Thanks for the BS
Here where I live, one beer can barely get you to 0.2 and yes here is it measured as
0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
Thanks again for numbers BS and trying to confuse the issue and trying to make my son look like he deserved it

It's not BS. It's just how it is. So you can blame "those damn lying numbers" all you want but the fact is, if anyone is giving you BS, it's your son telling you reached a .2 BAC by having a single beer.

Perhaps it was the Whiskey Chaser he had with the beer that did it??

I'm not trying to confuse the issue or say anything bad about your son. I've had a DUI myself. with a .1 while under 21 years of age. Had the fine and classes too. Lost my license for a year as well. Back then it was only 1500 bucks and 15 bucks each class once a week. Ya, it sux. But what sux even more is having someone you love killed because some jackhole decided he could drive after drinking. (Not saying your son is an example of that. Just saying.)

When I say it didn't come from one beer it's because at a .1 I had been drinking for a few hours and your son still doubled my BAC so I can't imagine getting that from a single beer unless it was served in glass of vodka.

I'm sure your son is a good man. It's just a mistake and a costly one at that. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy at all. Just needs to be a bit more careful next time that's all.

Its funny to say Russia, China and freedom in the same sentence. Russia is becoming more and more like Soviet Union, because Putin lives in the past. He wants to rebuild Soviet Union. There was no freedom in Soviet Union. The elite told you how much you can eat and where do you work. They even told you should you live or die.

And people in USA has right to change the government, but most are too sheeps to do that. I believe its written in the Constitution. Just gather massive protests around the country, demanding to change the things. And non-violent protest never leads to anything, its sad but true. You have to make sacrificed to gain something good.

originally posted by: Fargoth
So in your mind Russia and China are defending my last remaining freedoms?

Sounds crazy doesn't it ... what are your freedoms, here in the west?

My wife, went some time ago, to the mall to buy cloathes for her mom. She bought the right "size" based on the size label, but once in place. The cloathes were too big ... the sizes were wrong. She went back to the store, and complained ... and the store people, called the guards, who beat her up and threw her out.

You call that freedom sir?

I was in China some years ago, and had to go get my visa prolonged for a month at the local police station. There were a few people there making loud noises, and yielling at the cops ... putting up a big scene. This went on for quite some time, and in the end the people got what they went, and the left.

If the same thing happened here in the west, you'd be brutally arrested end up in jail ... if not in the hospital.

In China, where the population is currently over 1.5 billion ... the cops are unarmed.

Here in Sweden, the cops carry a gun ... and frequently shoot people.

In Russia, the people demanded changes and went out on the streets back in the 80's. They put themselves in front of the tanks, and the government ... surrendered.

In the US, when people go on the streets, they're beaten, shot at, gassed ...

In the US, a homeless person is arrested and choked to death.

In the US, a man in accident severely burned, is tazered and shot to death by the cops.

In the US, a man in a wheel chair is beaten up for opening up his foul mouth.



If you think you have any freedoms here ... you're a bloody retard.

Like any muslim worth his AK47 would bow down? yeah right! whats the saying? cloud cuckoo land?

originally posted by: Thebel

And people in USA has right to change the government, but most are too sheeps to do that. I believe its written in the Constitution. Just gather massive protests around the country, demanding to change the things. And non-violent protest never leads to anything, its sad but true. You have to make sacrificed to gain something good.

Our "Right" to change the Gov. that you speak of in our Declaration of Independence isn't something unique to America. What it says is that we can protest our Gov. As far as changing it the same goes for all Nations. It's called Over Throwing your government and you do that by force and it's not a "Right", it's just something you do. No Government gives anyone the "Right" to over throw them, that is something people just decide to do and then do it.

You could do it without "Force" but it would take a massive majority to do it including military, police, etc. But as long as the Gov. controls at least part of their "Enforcement Agents" then "Force" will be required. As they say, "They have the Guns, but we have the numbers".

a reply to: bjarneorn

"LAST REMAINING FREEDOMS" meaning not much freedom remains. Even so I am a law breaker I live to break laws and live how I want, if it gets me killed so be it I lived freer than most.

a reply to: tavi45

My advice is NOT to belittle Russia.

It is Russian weapons (not Chinese) that you see making a mincemeat of Ukrainian armour and shooting down Ukrainian planes.

Since NATO is with Ukraine overtly and covertly, there is good reason to believe that some latest NATO weapons are already with Ukraine. It may not be tanks, but anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons are definitely there.

So do not belittle Russian achievement on the field. Taking down a regular army without aviation is quite serious achievement.

I would really like to see German and American tanks face latest Russian anti-tank weapons. Let the best man win.

originally posted by: GargIndia
I would really like to see German and American tanks face latest Russian anti-tank weapons. Let the best man win.

Really?? I'd rather see Everyone stop building Military War Machines and instead spend those Trillions in Resources on improving the quality of life for people the world over.

Has it ever ended in "The Best Man" winning in the true meaning of the word??? What exactly makes the Victor the "Best Man" and what does "Winning" mean to you???

In any cases we would lose, i mean humanity. destruction would be in a another level, you think Russia and China would not hit those big bombas or any number of weapons of mass destruction before they go down, or other way around if China and Russia gets boots on US soil or strike US military forces hard around the world, i doubt US will start rolling on either one of their lands, it would be a war of weapons of mass destruction.
In fact we are losing everyday, the snowball that wars create will only keep rolling and takes everything with it hits on a way, so punch of smaller fractions will get loosed and starts rolling same way, when all that sh1t hits the village, it will look like there was no village in a first place..

We need supernatural power to stop this crazy world before its really too late, even tho it seems already is but what would that supernatural power be? In my mind its the 99% of the ppl awaken to same causes, that would create power to oppose any of these mad factions ruling this world atm.

originally posted by: mOjOm
It's not BS. It's just how it is. So you can blame "those damn lying numbers" all you want but the fact is, if anyone is giving you BS, it's your son telling you reached a .2 BAC by having a single beer.

Perhaps it was the Whiskey Chaser he had with the beer that did it??

I'm not trying to confuse the issue or say anything bad about your son. I've had a DUI myself. with a .1 while under 21 years of age. Had the fine and classes too. Lost my license for a year as well. Back then it was only 1500 bucks and 15 bucks each class once a week. Ya, it sux. But what sux even more is having someone you love killed because some jackhole decided he could drive after drinking. (Not saying your son is an example of that. Just saying.)

When I say it didn't come from one beer it's because at a .1 I had been drinking for a few hours and your son still doubled my BAC so I can't imagine getting that from a single beer unless it was served in glass of vodka.

I'm sure your son is a good man. It's just a mistake and a costly one at that. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy at all. Just needs to be a bit more careful next time that's all.

You know what, screw your sheeple way at looking at life

Limit used to be 0.5, then they moved it for safety reasons to 0.2, then not enough people were feeding the city coffers so they moved it to 0.1 and now they are moving it to 0.08-0.05

I wrote that my son had 1 beer which DID NOT MAKE HIM DRUNK OR UNSAFE and how he got treated like a criminal and punished financially

And you are here to say well tough luck, your son just needs to be more aware of what a little serf he is to the system

Read your own post I quoted,

You are saying, yeah, tough luck, don't dare think this is lack of freedom, INSTEAD just learn to live with it.

Congratulations. Now you know why some people are refereed to as sheeple.

originally posted by: BettyHill400
You know what, screw your sheeple way at looking at life

Limit used to be 0.5, then they moved it for safety reasons to 0.2, then not enough people were feeding the city coffers so they moved it to 0.1 and now they are moving it to 0.08-0.05

I wrote that my son had 1 beer which DID NOT MAKE HIM DRUNK OR UNSAFE and how he got treated like a criminal and punished financially

And you are here to say well tough luck, your son just needs to be more aware of what a little serf he is to the system

Read your own post I quoted,

You are saying, yeah, tough luck, don't dare think this is lack of freedom, INSTEAD just learn to live with it.

Congratulations. Now you know why some people are refereed to as sheeple.

Call me all the names you want it still doesn't change the fact that your son is lying to you. You don't get a .2 BAC on one beer unless you're a toddler and weigh about 50lbs. So cry about it all you want but just because you don't want to see reality for what it is doesn't make the rest of us "Sheeple." It does make you a sucker though.

BTW, I don't know where you live but nobody has a legal limit of .5 BAC. Check your math or something because .5 BAC is like blackout drunk and there is no way that .5 BAC is legal anywhere while driving. You might just as well have no limit at all for that matter.

That has nothing to do with taking away anyone's freedom either. You don't have the Freedom to drive around all sh*t faced drunk I don't care who you are. Don't believe me, look it up. Drink all you want, but don't drive when doing it. It's not just the life of the one drinking at risk.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Call me all the names you want it still doesn't change the fact that your son is lying to you. You don't get a .2 BAC on one beer unless you're a toddler and weigh about 50lbs. So cry about it all you want but just because you don't want to see reality for what it is doesn't make the rest of us "Sheeple." It does make you a sucker though.

BTW, I don't know where you live but nobody has a legal limit of .5 BAC. Check your math or something because .5 BAC is like blackout drunk and there is no way that .5 BAC is legal anywhere while driving. You might just as well have no limit at all for that matter.

That has nothing to do with taking away anyone's freedom either. You don't have the Freedom to drive around all sh*t faced drunk I don't care who you are. Don't believe me, look it up. Drink all you want, but don't drive when doing it. It's not just the life of the one drinking at risk.

Here you go again

Facts just don't interest you do they

Let me be clear, what I am about to post I don't post for you, I gave up on you. I am posting it so other people can discern the BS

Here are people who tested and published their alcohol levels after 2 hours and 1 hour

just eating 2 vodka olives will push you to 0.04 or 0.05

www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/how-much-is-too-much-the-globe-tests-bcs-drunk-driving-limit/article1314693/

When you gulp down 1 beer, you will within 2 minutes have even higher than 0.2 levels, it won't make you drunk but you will be 0.2 or above

1 hour later you will be around 0.05-0.08

within 2 hours you will have 0.04 - 0.05


And mOjOm I am sorry but I won't be responding to you anymore regardless of what you post, you made it clear that you think my son deserved to be treated like threat to society, you made yourself VERY clear. So have a nice day. You obviously love the system the way it is and will fight to preserve it. Good for you

a reply to: BettyHill400

I seriously doubt the poster is fighting for the 'System'

On the contrary as a matter of fact. However, pointing out a blaring flaw is not supporting the 'System' but rather pointing out a flaw.


Isn't this thread's premise about how Russia and China are obvious examples of how to treat their own people and a shining example of Utopian societies on Earth vs the bad ole' West?

a reply to: BettyHill400

And mOjOm I am sorry but I won't be responding to you anymore regardless of what you post, you made it clear that you think my son deserved to be treated like threat to society, you made yourself VERY clear. So have a nice day. You obviously love the system the way it is and will fight to preserve it. Good for you

When you drink and drive you become a threat to society...whether you want to believe it or not also it is against the law.

If you didn't want someone to comment on that subject you shouldn't have brought it into the thread...easy as that.

originally posted by: BettyHill400

originally posted by: Fargoth
I'm perfectly happy living my life. I do what I want when I want and no ones stopped me yet. I dont vote that's for idiots that think it makes a difference.

OH REALLY

My son who doesn't drink, had 1 beer in 6 months, SINGLE BEER, cops pulled him over at checkpoint, he blew 0.2, which is illegal where we live. MY SON NOW HAS TO SPEND 4000 DOLLARS ON ALCOHOLIC SCHOOL and 2000 DOLLARS ON BLOW MACHINE TO START HIS CAR,

and now has a record

YOU ARE A MAN WITH PENTAGRAM AS AVATAR AND JUST BELOW YOUR NAME IT SAYS MAN OF LITTLE MORALS

I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU LOVE THE FREEDOM OR LACK THERE OF WE HAVE IN THE WEST

I am ignoring you from now on

PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE MY BLOOD BOIL

Well in China your would have gotten a mandatory penal detention up to months along with a fine and lisense suspection. In Russia say goodbye to your lisense for 2 years first offense. And the both have much lower levels than the US. If fact most nations have stricter and lower thresholds for DUIs that the US. Your just lucky your son was caught here.

originally posted by: BettyHill400
just eating 2 vodka olives will push you to 0.04 or 0.05...

Right. Your claim that the legal limit was .5 is moronic. You would be dead if your blood alcohol content was that high. You need close to 30 drinks to get that drunk.

Weight Number of Drinks
--------1-------2------3-------4------5------6-----7------8------9
100 0.032 0.065 0.097 .0129 .0162 0.194 0.226 0.258 0.291
120 0.027 0.054 0.081 0.108 0.135 0.161 0.188 0.215 0.242
140 0.023 0.046 0.069 0.092 0.115 0.138 0.161 0.184 0.207
160 0.020 0.040 0.060 0.080 0.101 0.121 0.141 0.161 0.181
180 0.018 0.036 0.054 0.072 0.090 0.108 0.126 0.144 0.162
200 0.016 0.032 0.048 0.064 0.080 0.097 0.113 0.129 0.145
220 0.015 0.029 0.044 0.058 0.073 0.088 0.102 0.117 0.131
240 0.014 0.027 0.040 0.053 0.067 0.081 0.095 0.108 0.121
Source

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Right. Your claim that the legal limit was .5 is moronic. You would be dead if your blood alcohol content was that high. You need close to 30 drinks to get that drunk.

U R obviously troll who is playing word games

have the guts to quote my entire post and quote the appropriate post you want to answer to

on the other hand, don't bother, I won't read what you have to say

originally posted by: SLAYER69
Isn't this thread's premise about how Russia and China are obvious examples of how to treat their own people and a shining example of Utopian societies on Earth vs the bad ole' West?

Actually slayer,

that's not what this thread is about, seems you missed the point (as usual)

This thread is about what will Elite do with us once they are DONE with Russia and China. I thought it was pretty clear in the opening post