Christians put a Hex on me?

a reply to: Grimpachi

I barely looked at it and you'd have most likely
been amused at me scrambling around trying to
get it deleted. Then I just sat here for a second
thinking, Okay, I pretty much asked for that!

a reply to: randyvs

Thanks for the laugh believe me I can imagine your reaction probably I have seen it with other people befor. It is all right now it has been 8 years since that happened and many reconstructive surgeries later I am close to how I was with some scars but thats a small price to pay.

a reply to: Grimpachi
Thank you for sharing your experience, Grim. I'm glad you're still around to tell the tale.

a reply to: spy66

Are you sure everyone will experiance after life?

Nope I am pretty sure it takes the right conditions to have a hallucination. Like if there is brain trauma I don't think the chemical will induce. Extreme cold may even prevent it. Anyway there is no telling what people will see at the point of death just that I have nothing to report back.

You are talking about NDE right?

Is that what the Bible tels us?

Which bible, holy scripture are you referring to because it depends? Personally I kind of like Buddhism as it jived a bit more with what happened but it still wasn't on the money. I had plenty of people tell me or quote to me what their religion says on it but nothing fit.

I am not worried about it but at one time I was now I have simply come to terms. The biggest impact that has stayed with me has been I don't take stupid risks anymore such as I wear a seatbelt no matter what. I know that sounds dumb but when my ticket gets punched I don't want it to be from something like that.

originally posted by: Titaniumberry
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Look at our world. Every Christian nation is progressive and free. The powerful ones are the banner of democracy and prosperity. They protect other weaker nations and set them free from tyrants.

Top 10 largest Populations of Christians by country, with quality of life ranking.

1) United States (Quality of life ranking, 17)
2) Brazil (QOL Ranking, 37)
3) Mexico (QOL ranking, 39)
4) Philippines (QOL ranking, 63)
5) Nigeria (QOL ranking, 80)
6) Peoples Republic of China (QOL ranking, 49)
7) Russia (QOL, ranking, 72)
8) Democratic Republic of Congo (QOL ranking, Over 69)
9) Italy (QOL ranking, 21)
10) Ethiopia (QOL ranking, Over 69)

Largest % of Christians by Country (excluding Vatican City & Pitcairn Islands due to small population and not being real countries), with quality of life ranking.

1) Romania (QOL ranking, 56)
2) Armenia (QOL ranking, over 69)
3) Equatorial Guinea (QOL ranking, over 69)
4) East Timor (QOL ranking, over 69)
5) American Samoa (QOL ranking, over 69)
6) Zambia (QOL ranking, over 69)
7) Moldova (QOL ranking, over 69)
8) Grenada (QOL ranking, over 69)
9) Greece (QOL ranking, 34)
10) Papua New Guinea (QOL ranking, over 69)

Largest population of irreligious people by country (Note: Irreligious doesn’t necessarily mean Atheist, but just refers to people who answer ‘no’ to whether religion plays a large part in there daily life), with quality of life ranking

1) Sweden (QOL ranking, 4)
2) Denmark (QOL ranking, 5)
3) China (QOL ranking, 49)
4) Estonia (QOL ranking, 44)
5) Norway (QOL ranking, 3)
6) United Kingdom (QOL ranking, 27)
7) France (QOL ranking, 26)
8) Hong Kong (QOL ranking, 10)
9) Czech Republic (QOL ranking, 28)
10) Japan (QOL ranking, 25)

As you can see none of the top 10 countries with the largest population of Christians made the top 10 list of the countries with the best quality of life. The best ranking being the US at number 17, the next best is Brazil who ranked number 37.

8 out of 10 of the countries with the largest % of the population being Christian didn’t even make the list of the top 68 countries with the best quality of life, the lowest is Greece at 34.

Where as 4 out of 10 of the countries with the largest population of people who say religion doesn’t play an important part in there lives made the top 10 list of countries that have the best quality of life. All of these countries made the top 68 list, the worst score being China at 49.

So obviously this clearly shows countries that are least religious are more likely to be prosperous.

Sources,

Christianity by country

Where to be born index

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Titaniumberry
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Look at our world. Every Christian nation is progressive and free. The powerful ones are the banner of democracy and prosperity. They protect other weaker nations and set them free from tyrants.

Top 10 largest Populations of Christians by country, with quality of life ranking.

1) United States (Quality of life ranking, 17)
2) Brazil (QOL Ranking, 37)
3) Mexico (QOL ranking, 39)
4) Philippines (QOL ranking, 63)
5) Nigeria (QOL ranking, 80)
6) Peoples Republic of China (QOL ranking, 49)
7) Russia (QOL, ranking, 72)
8) Democratic Republic of Congo (QOL ranking, Over 69)
9) Italy (QOL ranking, 21)
10) Ethiopia (QOL ranking, Over 69)

Largest % of Christians by Country (excluding Vatican City & Pitcairn Islands due to small population and not being real countries), with quality of life ranking.

1) Romania (QOL ranking, 56)
2) Armenia (QOL ranking, over 69)
3) Equatorial Guinea (QOL ranking, over 69)
4) East Timor (QOL ranking, over 69)
5) American Samoa (QOL ranking, over 69)
6) Zambia (QOL ranking, over 69)
7) Moldova (QOL ranking, over 69)
8) Grenada (QOL ranking, over 69)
9) Greece (QOL ranking, 34)
10) Papua New Guinea (QOL ranking, over 69)

Largest population of irreligious people by country (Note: Irreligious doesn’t necessarily mean Atheist, but just refers to people who answer ‘no’ to whether religion plays a large part in there daily life), with quality of life ranking

1) Sweden (QOL ranking, 4)
2) Denmark (QOL ranking, 5)
3) China (QOL ranking, 49)
4) Estonia (QOL ranking, 44)
5) Norway (QOL ranking, 3)
6) United Kingdom (QOL ranking, 27)
7) France (QOL ranking, 26)
8) Hong Kong (QOL ranking, 10)
9) Czech Republic (QOL ranking, 28)
10) Japan (QOL ranking, 25)

As you can see none of the top 10 countries with the largest population of Christians made the top 10 list of the countries with the best quality of life. The best ranking being the US at number 17, the next best is Brazil who ranked number 37.

8 out of 10 of the countries with the largest % of the population being Christian didn’t even make the list of the top 68 countries with the best quality of life, the lowest is Greece at 34.

Where as 4 out of 10 of the countries with the largest population of people who say religion doesn’t play an important part in there lives made the top 10 list of countries that have the best quality of life. All of these countries made the top 68 list, the worst score being China at 49.

So obviously this clearly shows countries that are least religious are more likely to be prosperous.

Sources,

Christianity by country

Where to be born index

I take your point and agree with it but just wanted to point out that the quality of life index is based on far more than economic prosperity.

a reply to: Grimpachi

You are talking about NDE right?

Does Death have anything in comon With NDE?

I think the two are two very different Things.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: Jenisiz
I absolutely love how Christianity has only one source of proof, the bible.

If you had used the term religion instead of Christianity, you would be correct.

The two words are not interchangeable, in fact they are diametrically opposed.

This post alone from page 1 completely demolishes your argument.

Christianity IS a religion. Your statement above couldn't be more untrue if it tried...

I thought the same thing. I assume he means to differentiate "organized religion" from simple religious belief I guess?

To the moste of you science is a religin. Because non of you really know science and have to put your faith in the People who have knowledge.

The Scientific community could fool all of you With their science and non of you would know that you were being fooled..

Calling it a religion is wrong. But you called say that science can (and is) be used as a political tool by politicians and scientists wanting to push there own beliefs onto people, but that doesn't make it obsolete. It just means its important to confirm any conclusions have been independently peer reviewed and verified before taking it as fact or a viable conclusion.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

That's the saddest thing I have taken from this thread. I despise religion, yet in truth I know far more about the concept than most of the people who have posted here. If you took the time to actually research the issue, rather than just excepting what your pastor says, you would discover for yourselves how flawed the whole thing actually is.

Why do you assume I'm religious? If you despise religion then you despise humans. You act like religion is some how alien to humans and it is actually a part of humans. It is how we think, how you think. You just have a different flavor to it all.

I'm human and its not apart of me. Organized religion has only been around for a few thousand years, where as humans have been around for much longer. So I really don't know where you got the idea that the human consciousness is somehow bound to religion?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Titaniumberry
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Look at our world. Every Christian nation is progressive and free. The powerful ones are the banner of democracy and prosperity. They protect other weaker nations and set them free from tyrants.

Top 10 largest Populations of Christians by country, with quality of life ranking.

1) United States (Quality of life ranking, 17)
2) Brazil (QOL Ranking, 37)
3) Mexico (QOL ranking, 39)
4) Philippines (QOL ranking, 63)
5) Nigeria (QOL ranking, 80)
6) Peoples Republic of China (QOL ranking, 49)
7) Russia (QOL, ranking, 72)
8) Democratic Republic of Congo (QOL ranking, Over 69)
9) Italy (QOL ranking, 21)
10) Ethiopia (QOL ranking, Over 69)

Largest % of Christians by Country (excluding Vatican City & Pitcairn Islands due to small population and not being real countries), with quality of life ranking.

1) Romania (QOL ranking, 56)
2) Armenia (QOL ranking, over 69)
3) Equatorial Guinea (QOL ranking, over 69)
4) East Timor (QOL ranking, over 69)
5) American Samoa (QOL ranking, over 69)
6) Zambia (QOL ranking, over 69)
7) Moldova (QOL ranking, over 69)
8) Grenada (QOL ranking, over 69)
9) Greece (QOL ranking, 34)
10) Papua New Guinea (QOL ranking, over 69)

Largest population of irreligious people by country (Note: Irreligious doesn’t necessarily mean Atheist, but just refers to people who answer ‘no’ to whether religion plays a large part in there daily life), with quality of life ranking

1) Sweden (QOL ranking, 4)
2) Denmark (QOL ranking, 5)
3) China (QOL ranking, 49)
4) Estonia (QOL ranking, 44)
5) Norway (QOL ranking, 3)
6) United Kingdom (QOL ranking, 27)
7) France (QOL ranking, 26)
8) Hong Kong (QOL ranking, 10)
9) Czech Republic (QOL ranking, 28)
10) Japan (QOL ranking, 25)

As you can see none of the top 10 countries with the largest population of Christians made the top 10 list of the countries with the best quality of life. The best ranking being the US at number 17, the next best is Brazil who ranked number 37.

8 out of 10 of the countries with the largest % of the population being Christian didn’t even make the list of the top 68 countries with the best quality of life, the lowest is Greece at 34.

Where as 4 out of 10 of the countries with the largest population of people who say religion doesn’t play an important part in there lives made the top 10 list of countries that have the best quality of life. All of these countries made the top 68 list, the worst score being China at 49.

So obviously this clearly shows countries that are least religious are more likely to be prosperous.

Sources,

Christianity by country

Where to be born index

I take your point and agree with it but just wanted to point out that the quality of life index is based on far more than economic prosperity.

Yes I know. Its also based on things like a low crime rate, the perception of living in a safe country and the general health & welling of a nation. All things that people attribute to there religion, which is clearly wrong.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

How did you get such a twisted view of Christianity?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

I'm human and its not apart of me. Organized religion has only been around for a few thousand years, where as humans have been around for much longer. So I really don't know where you got the idea that the human consciousness is somehow bound to religion?

You are thinking in a too narrow minded direction on all this. Humans spend about 90% of their thinking in the abstract realm. What this means is we spend most of our time thinking about things that are first created only in our brains. Look around you, everything you see that has human influence on was first created from nothing, as an abstract thought.A big byproduct is we ALL believe in things that have zero physical proof, as of yet. To say that humans can do without religion is also suggesting we can live without abstract thinking, so who are you to define what that thinking should be. You hate religion, I get it, but when you look at humans without religion we are just as bad and even worst, so be careful what you with for.

If you look at the history of freemasons,jesuits,illuminati and so on.. They think that God is unjust and that that Lucifer the morning star is the light bringer who shows the true wisdom knowledge from the tree of knowledge good and evil.

Now the bible is written metaphoric and symbolic like the book of revalation: And when you understand what it symbolise then you can understand the knowledge behind it. Its been hidden like a code

You can start try to figure out tree of knowledge good and evil:
Maybe the three is a symbol for something else?
and you have the morningstar: both jesus and lucifer is called that.. why?
and whats alpha and omega? what can create its self?

But if god was unfair we wouldnt have free will.. you have choice to do good or bad.. But myself have studied all the religions- egypt,maya,hopi,vikings,hindu,buddism,greek and roman mythology, gnostic they saw it diffrently then 1 book.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa


So obviously this clearly shows countries that are least religious are more likely to be prosperous.

Really? How does China fit into this when they outlawed religion and followed with 100 million killed, or Russia that did the same and killed 40 plus million, or even Pol Pot who outlawed religion and killed 4 million of a small population in a few short years? I could easily say that the introduction of religion into these countries have greatly improved them over what they were before.

I'm sure the warlords that have killed 5 plus million in Darfur and connecting areas are very non-religious in their ways too. Your correlations do not mean causation since there are 100s of factors involved, so your "obvious" deductions really have little or no true connection between religion and the quality of life.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

So considering all that, are you not going against the biblical teachings if you support a country that has freedom of speech and democracy? Are you not going against God and everything he stands for, unless you demand to be ruled under National Socialism?

Now firstly, I would appreciate if somebody who’s familiar with the workings of the church knows what this lunatic was attempting to achieve from this very odd behaviour? Was he actually trying release me of demons or something? Was this what would commonly be referred to an exorcism?

I would like to point out that National Socialism means NAZI to those who might think you are talking about communists. What you say makes sense. I don't know much about Islamic extremists, but I think they view God the same way that you described him.

I personally am for the spread of knowledge, and humanism - there are some "Atheist" agendas that I disagree with, like full abortion rights, because my humanist views extend to everyone and I think that there is no evidence that a fetus past a certain stage is not as sentient as a baby, and not only that, it is obviously going to become one one day. A few other things like that I disagree with Atheists on.

A lot of things are backwards with how people look at things, but I can tell that you have your thinking cap on straight.

About the experience, the Baptist was "speaking in tongues," which is especially popular with Baptist churches (although for all anyone knows, they could be channeling demons rather than angels) and that sounds like what a Baptist would do to try and release the evil spirits from a child.

Baptists are kind of dull. Catholics, on the other hand, take exorcisms very seriously and know what they are dealing with. I don't think that Baptist would have done much to oust a spirit, if there was one, but a Catholic priest who was trained would have had a chance at it.

I don't necessarily think that demons are on the side of good. There are a lot of spirits that go outside of the scope of Christian theology. Satan vs. God is really a limited viewpoint of a much larger pantheon.

a reply to: guitarplayer

Its not a twisted view, it’s a realistic and rational view. But do you seriously want me to tell you the story?

It was in my early twenties, I just used to accept everything I was bought up to believe as fact and used to be passionate about the righteousness & superiority of my religion and the Western nations.

It was around the time of the Iraq invasion, I used to love reading the newspaper every morning and just used to soak up all the quotes from my prime minister and Bush, about how we were on the side of god and were doing his work by liberating the Iraq people. Reading up about all the cool military equipment we were going to use to destroy this evil enemy and save the world from these Islamic tyrants, lol.

Anyway, I was watching the invasion on the news and they were showing some Iraqi people trying to take down this statue of Saddam Hussein, but they only had a few sledgehammers and couldn’t get it down. Then some US soldiers came in with their tank (which I just thought was just the s#) to help them rip down this statue.

But before they ripped it down, one of these soldiers climbed up this statue and threw a US flag over the Saddam statues head. Now, I have know idea what happened at that second of this very benign action in my thought process, but I just had a ‘revelation’ and thought to myself “I’ve been lied to here, this is not about liberation”!

From that day on, I shunned the MSM and didn’t take anything I was told by them or any western government as fact. Got on the Internet and just researched till my eyes bleed (figure of speech).

My mind had been awakened and I was now able to look at this religion nonsense (and all the other lies) with a rational and open mind and see all the contradictions, flaws and out right lies I was blind to before that time.

That’s all there is to it really. My new passion was now seeking the truth and not just accepting the irrational because it’s simple or makes life less complicated. As my signature says, “the only good, is knowledge, the only evil, is ignorance”.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa


So obviously this clearly shows countries that are least religious are more likely to be prosperous.

Really? How does China fit into this when they outlawed religion and followed with 100 million killed, or Russia that did the same and killed 40 plus million, or even Pol Pot who outlawed religion and killed 4 million of a small population in a few short years? I could easily say that the introduction of religion into these countries have greatly improved them over what they were before.

Those numbers of past mass killings under extremist communism governments a grossly overstated, it's more like 20 to 70 million for all three countries combined and even that's only a very rough estimate, no one really know the true numbers. Not that I'm saying that it makes it alright, just putting some prospective on it.

Besides these acts happened due to extremist ideologies, which imo are no different to religion.

Also, you could just as easily say the introduction of religion has done anything you want. Still won't mean anything or refute the figures I have provided, unless you provide some kind of evidence to back up your claims.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Grimpachi

You are talking about NDE right?

Does Death have anything in comon With NDE?

I think the two are two very different Things.

One people have had experience with and could talk about the other no one can give you a first hand experience from because they are dead. Yeah I am clear on the difference but I am not clear on your point if there is one.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
I have a serious question for you Christians out there ... the idea of God and what’s written in the biblical teachings is the true force of good and that Satan is the force of evil ...

Is the following factual:

Who has killed more, Satan or God?

How many has God killed? Complete list and estimated total (Including Apocryphal killings)

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: guitarplayer

Its not a twisted view, it’s a realistic and rational view. But do you seriously want me to tell you the story?

It was in my early twenties, I just used to accept everything I was bought up to believe as fact and used to be passionate about the righteousness & superiority of my religion and the Western nations.

It was around the time of the Iraq invasion, I used to love reading the newspaper every morning and just used to soak up all the quotes from my prime minister and Bush, about how we were on the side of god and were doing his work by liberating the Iraq people. Reading up about all the cool military equipment we were going to use to destroy this evil enemy and save the world from these Islamic tyrants, lol.

Anyway, I was watching the invasion on the news and they were showing some Iraqi people trying to take down this statue of Saddam Hussein, but they only had a few sledgehammers and couldn’t get it down. Then some US soldiers came in with their tank (which I just thought was just the s#) to help them rip down this statue.

But before they ripped it down, one of these soldiers climbed up this statue and threw a US flag over the Saddam statues head. Now, I have know idea what happened at that second of this very benign action in my thought process, but I just had a ‘revelation’ and thought to myself “I’ve been lied to here, this is not about liberation”!

From that day on, I shunned the MSM and didn’t take anything I was told by them or any western government as fact. Got on the Internet and just researched till my eyes bleed (figure of speech).

My mind had been awakened and I was now able to look at this religion nonsense (and all the other lies) with a rational and open mind and see all the contradictions, flaws and out right lies I was blind to before that time.

That’s all there is to it really. My new passion was now seeking the truth and not just accepting the irrational because it’s simple or makes life less complicated. As my signature says, “the only good, is knowledge, the only evil, is ignorance”.

Basing a whole belief system on one bit of film isn't exactly rational.