Vikings star Adrian Peterson indicted on felony charge of injury to a child

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It's certainly worse than letting a child run into a briar patch. Some things kids need to learn on their own. Any kid would figure out pretty quick to back out of a briar patch when it start hurting. After one hit with the switch the kid would know it's quite painful yet be powerless to stop it.

A spanking would have gotten the same lesson across and not left this entire kids back bruised up and cut. Further, the child told the police that his dad told him he would get hit in the face if he told anybody.

Perhaps I'm a bit overly emotional since I was abused as a child. My father would hit me with a belt and his hand, I have no issue with that, I deserved it. When my parents got divorced and I had step-dads it went over the line and even back then as a child I could tell the difference.

No way in the world will I ever think it's OK to bloody a 4-year-old child.

By the way, word is that those pictures are at least a week old, so this was obviously worse than the pictures show.

Evidently you are of the 'younger' crowd, where abuse is thrown around too much, not to mention judgement on others when you don't know the whole story.

I'm 37 years old. You seem to be rushing to judgment on me. I didn't rush to judgment, I saw the pictures and read the police report where Adrian Peterson freely admits that he beat his child and he did it worse than he ever had before.

There's no reason to beat a 4-year-old child bloody. Spank the kid, I guarantee you the lesson will get across just as well and it won't be abuse.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

You point out these photos which may be "TOO GRAPHIC FOR SOME" "looks a lot like what would happen to your legs in you ran naked through a briar patch."
I'm not for physical punishment to children. But I also remember the shame of a spanking, and know from my uncles and aunts/parents the idea of a switch or a belt.

It is certainly a lesson. But so is letting your child run ahead of you in the woods. As you've given this a recognizable point of similarity, can you say this is worse than letting a child run into a briar patch? If so why?

I added the warning because there is a member here (in case you missed the 50 threads) constantly b*tching because people were posting and linking blurred out pictures and graphic descriptions. She was so overly offended she was alerting everything she saw and people were getting hit with warnings left and right.

I posted it to comply with T & C's and naught more.

I described exactly what I thought it looked like. I have stated I am for whippings. I got them many times with many tools. I didn't get them near as often as I probably should have truth be told. BUT i don't agree with drawing blood. Period.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Aaaaaaand of course he mentions "god" on twitter. *eyeroll*

Why does everyone have to invoke god when they are being assholes?

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On Friday afternoon, Peterson posted an InstaQuote on Twitter: “People understand that if you are on God’s course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter! Its [sic] your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered Don’t stress or worry. @voicesofthekingd”

God damn them.

Seriously, the bible? Why is everyone so damn quick to reference the bible (especially in sports) but so quick to forget "the golden rule"

Treat others as you're treated. So unless that team is whipping each other in the locker room. *some weird fetish I imagine for old ladies on hormones...

originally posted by: snarky412
a reply to: Pimpish


Are you even familiar with the Ray Rice and NFL story/scandal????
Because this media hype is linked to that

Yes, I am. How do you feel about that? If you're against that, why is it not OK to knock out a full grown woman but it's fine to beat a 4-year-old child bloody?

a reply to: Pimpish
I do not know. As a child I was allowed to make my own mistakes. And got a swat on occasion. Once my father got me into a hold that could have broken my arm had I resisted.
I learned from all of my moments.
I have friends who could have benefited from a good switching.
You can believe it's never OK to bloody a 4 year old. I can unequivocally say better to bloody a 4 year old than have them attempt murder at 20 and yes I've seen that.

These sports guys are catching up to the gansta rap industry in terms of crimes.

What we as a society may have to understand is that this sports stuff is like the ancient Gladiators in the Roman arena…not exactly the same but dam near

It’s so much violence in some sports…boxing…this new sadistic fighting where they beat you until go down…hockey…football…even racing, recall the guy who last month ran over someone and killed him

We need sports though because if we didn’t have this we would likely be killing each other in the streets.

Though we still are killing each other in the street but without sports and the blood lust in it we would be killing each other more so.

That’s the nature of man

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

I did not see that. My apologizes if I offended. Things have changed on ATS since I've signed on and I do not always keep up with current trends. I have noticed a huge shift in mods, but I think they are all reasonable people. Hopefully they continue to be.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

I can unequivocally say better to bloody a 4 year old than have them attempt murder at 20 and yes I've seen that.

Pretty big leap there. I mean, it's also better to crack a 2-year-olds skull than have that 2-year-old murder someone 20 years later. So silly.

What's even crazier than this to me is that Peterson had a 2-year-old son murdered by a guy who beat him too much.

What do you think bloodying up someone with a stick will accomplish that giving them a red bottom with your hand or a belt wouldn't?

I have to go to bed, but I'll check back tomorrow morning.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

I did not see that. My apologizes if I offended. Things have changed on ATS since I've signed on and I do not always keep up with current trends. I have noticed a huge shift in mods, but I think they are all reasonable people. Hopefully they continue to be.

No apologies needed. Most of the threads disappeared because they turned into a free for all. You know how it is. There were more than a few that were seriously really offended (honest to goodness others can back me up) by clicking on an ISIS thread and seeing a picture that was (again honest to goodness) 80% blurred out. They also were really offended that the OP's were quoting actual news articles about ISIS that contained graphic descriptions of what was going on over there.

They (I'm sure it was said with a straight face) that they didn't think they should expect to see those things in an ISIS thread. People's pics and posts were [snipped] as a result.

The mods did their job. It says what is acceptable in the T&C's, and they probably didn't have a lot of choice when they were alerted.

It is what it is. You would think grown folks would expect something more than lollipops and tippy toeing unicorns when they click on a thread with ISIS in the title.

Go figure.

So no apologies necessary.

originally posted by: Pimpish

Evidently you are of the 'younger' crowd, where abuse is thrown around too much, not to mention judgement on others when you don't know the whole story.

I'm 37 years old. You seem to be rushing to judgment on me. I didn't rush to judgment, I saw the pictures and read the police report where Adrian Peterson freely admits that he beat his child and he did it worse than he ever had before.

There's no reason to beat a 4-year-old child bloody. Spank the kid, I guarantee you the lesson will get across just as well and it won't be abuse.

I meant you were rushing to judgement on me and my husband, well our parents, instantly saying we were abused as kids according to the way we were punished i.e. disciplined

Here is part of your first comment to me because I said that was the way we were raised:

If you were hit like this as a 4-year-old then you were abused.

No, we were NOT abused, we were taught manners/discipline

Spanking does not work on all kids, sorry it just doesn't
Usually a switch/belt is the last resort a parent uses

I've seen first hand child abuse, and this isn't it
A kid squirms when being spanked, I should know, which is why the switch went everywhere
And he admitted to having his pants down, so that is why the injury looks bad

But you are going by your childhood, your own experience
And for that, I am truly sorry for what you endured

a reply to: snarky412

The media is blowing all this up due to the Ray Rice scandal and what Roger Goodall and the NFL are going to do about it

How, exactly, are the media blowing this up? He has been indicted by a grand jury, which, if it's the second one and the first couldn't do it then it may be sketchy, but he has been indicted. He's been suspended by his team.

I do believe this would be a major story, with or without the ongoing Ray Rice saga. A top player in the league gets indicted, yeah, that's a story.

a reply to: Willtell

even racing, recall the guy who last month ran over someone and killed him

Whoa there, now you act as if he did that on purpose

Research the facts first...

It was in the evening, raining, when the 2 cars clipped
The driver in an all black jumpsuit gets out and walks in front of cars going 100MPH

There was a car in front of him that nearly got him, he had to swerve out of the way
The guy that hit him DID NOT do it on purpose

He didn't see him in time to stop or swerve away....black jumpsuit, evening and raining, hard to see a man walking toward you when no one is supposed to be there, only cars and you are going super fast

Due to that, they are passing a stipulation to keep drivers from getting out on the tracks like that while the cars are hauling azz

The driver was killed due to emotions run high and careless actions


Please, don't lump that incident into the category

a reply to: Pimpish

Had I not held the newborn in my arms as (me) a 5 year old, and the attempt not being on his brother (my best friend) I would agree with you. We all knew he needed something. Each of us as friends tried to do what we could into adulthood.
I have seen the case of spare the rod, spoil the child. I've lost track of him and his number of baby's/ baby mamas. But last I heard he was off of his casino job and back into selling illegal substances.

A few good swats/ beat downs by peers might have put him on a better life path. . .

originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
a reply to: snarky412

The media is blowing all this up due to the Ray Rice scandal and what Roger Goodall and the NFL are going to do about it

How, exactly, are the media blowing this up? He has been indicted by a grand jury, which, if it's the second one and the first couldn't do it then it may be sketchy, but he has been indicted. He's been suspended by his team.

I do believe this would be a major story, with or without the ongoing Ray Rice saga. A top player in the league gets indicted, yeah, that's a story.

Because I personally do not see it as abuse, sorry but that's the way it is for me

Therefore I don't see the story other than it falls on the heels of Ray Rice, who cold-cocked his wife and dragged her out of the elevator and didn't try to do anything to help her

originally posted by: Pimpish

originally posted by: snarky412
a reply to: Pimpish


Are you even familiar with the Ray Rice and NFL story/scandal????
Because this media hype is linked to that

Yes, I am. How do you feel about that? If you're against that, why is it not OK to knock out a full grown woman but it's fine to beat a 4-year-old child bloody?

Oh good God...you act as if his legs are cut off and bleeding to death

We will just have to agree to disagree on the severity of the injuries, hence why I don't see this as child abuse

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

"A few good swats/ beat downs by peers might have put him on a better life path. . "

You realize one of the most common themes in jail is that people were abused when they we're young? Whether it be physical, mental or sexual.

Very common theme!

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

You can believe it's never OK to bloody a 4 year old. I can unequivocally say better to bloody a 4 year old than have them attempt murder at 20 and yes I've seen that.

So if kids aren't beat when they are 4 they become murderers? Do you have any stats on that? Like all the murderers in jail, none of them were beaten so that must be it. Something like that.

And really, the first cause to a 20 year old murderer that you knew or knew of, was that he wasn't beaten. Did he tell you that himself?

I can't believe anyone thinks thats acceptable..a spanking once in a blue moon is one thing but drawing blood on a 4 yr old is abusive.

a reply to: boncho

I do not have stats on it. But look forward to whatever stats you provide. I've seen obvious individuals not be reprimanded with only medical prowess to save a life.

In regards to the individual in question; He has never done anything wrong, never mind the baby mamas, not being able to hold a job for over a year, etc. Let alone the potential homicide he was able to escape from as the wound reached passed but not into the jugular.

The individual in question is my best friends younger brother. He hasn't told me anything other than he appreciates my input to his life. What I've seen shows me he should have had time with a switch as a child.

I'm not going to get into this specific as it's not my story to tell. But it is a beautiful case study of if kids are not disciplined.

If you want to have this debate I will be happy to do so over the weekend