Obama administration plans to jail conservative author/speaker/filmmaker for 16 mths

a reply to: grandmakdw

Is the sentence fair? Has the Obama justice department sent any Democrats/Liberals/Progressives/Socialists to jail for 16 months or longer for illegal campaign contributions? Is it just outright revenge?

I just want to make sure I'm on the same page as you.

Reactionaries all across the country are campaigning to make it difficult if not impossible for genuine voters to vote on the pretext of weeding out fraudulent voters. A pretext which, by the way, has absolutely no evidence to support the existence of any problem what-so-ever.

And weren't you just complaining about the intrusive TSA checks which detect nothing; how is voter suppression any different (I don't mean to suggesting you have said anything one way or another about the voter suppression 'movement', only that the reactionary movement in which you are seemingly placing your self into does).

But when honest to gosh campaign/electioneering fraud is detected, you have no interest in pursuing the admitted criminal, and would prefer to just give him a free pass.

Is that the impression you want to give by 'just asking' for opinions? That it is OK to suppress the vote of folks who are likely to vote for 'the other guys', but it is 'outright revenge' to pursue actual criminals? Is the pursuit of all criminals actually just 'outright revenge' or only those criminals who commit crimes that happen to further your own personal agenda?

Don't get me wrong, I'm 'just asking' so I can understand exactly where you are coming from.

"totalitarian" Soviet Union nervously smoking in aside, this en.m.wikipedia.org... 38 year old Trotskyist and a pedophile in connection with 16 year old daughter of Joseph Stalin received a total of five years of exile in the city of evergreen tomato Vorkuta where he worked as a photographer and lived in an apartment, I wonder what will happen to the 38 years of antiamerican Communist in America if he insert Obama's daughter

In regards to the thread context, perhaps the most egregious, yet most swept under the rug, case of donation fraud. Thanks to the progressive leaning MSM.

thehayride.com...

And ... how well do you think D’Souza will fair if given the max sentence, and then appeals that sentence.

www.nytimes.com...

Face it. No matter what the nay-sayers say, this country is being re-shaped into a socialist society more and more each day. I can only wish to be there on the day they finally realize it.

originally posted by: 2ndthought
In regards to the thread context, perhaps the most egregious, yet most swept under the rug, case of donation fraud. Thanks to the progressive leaning MSM.

thehayride.com...

And ... how well do you think D’Souza will fair if given the max sentence, and then appeals that sentence.

www.nytimes.com...

Face it. No matter what the nay-sayers say, this country is being re-shaped into a socialist society more and more each day. I can only wish to be there on the day they finally realize it.

You are so right. It is being shaped and molded. Every day there is a new "forbidden" word that will get you fired or ostracized.

Politically correct speech is a form of thought control. If you are forbidden to say it eventually you don't think it or see it as a wrong thought. Insidious.

Even the fact that if a Democrat does something wrong, it is to be excused because we all know what rascals those Democrats are, they don't hide it, in fact they flaunt it, Obama's drug use, Clinton's adultery/forcing himself on women, etc. We are being conditioned to expect bad behavior by Democratic leadership.

On the other hand Republicans are held to the standard of Christ himself. If they make or made a mistake they are to be crucified. They say because Republicans hold to conservative values and so should be demonized if they violate them. Since no human is perfect, and all make mistakes at some time or another, Republicans make great targets for the libs/progressives/socialists.

At the same time Democrats are held to the standard of Don Juan, Cheech and Chong, Richard Daley, Jimmy Hoffa. If they make or made a mistake they are to be excused. They say because Democrats hold to socially liberal values they should be excused if they violate them.

a reply to: grandmakdw


Your headline indicates that this is a 'revenge' sentencing.

He's an effing criminal who confessed. His political stance is compromised and his admission proves he is merely a political thug dressed as a "free speech' activist.

Reminds me of Col. North. Just as much a 'patriot' as a Weatherman.

You then admit you did this to raise a 'strawman' argument.

I do not understand why the mods allow you to continue to do baiting on this issue, and yet I can't insult you.

I guess I will shun you but I come here for alternate philosophy and divergent opinions. Wasting time on bloviated and artificial controversy is more easily done watching Faux News rather than applying myself to this trivial, meaningless, stupid............stuff.

originally posted by: jimmyx
d'sousa entered a guilty plea..also, he could have gotten 2 years, but, it was reduced to 18 months...here's the article...www.politico.com...

also, this is what he said in his own words....
At the court hearing Tuesday, D’Souza admitted he knew what he did was against the law.

“I knew that causing a campaign contribution to be made in the name of another was wrong and something the law forbids,” D’Souza said, according to Newsday. “I deeply regret my conduct.”

Brafman added in his press statement: “Mr. D’Souza agreed to accept responsibility for having urged two close associates to make contributions of $10,000 each to the unsuccessful 2012 senate campaign of Wendy Long and then reimbursing them for their contributions. Given the technical nature of the charge, there was no viable defense.”

the title of this thread is like hundreds of others here on ATS....misinformation to make Obama/liberals/democrats, look bad....but, what else is new.

LMAO....like they need any help looking Bad. Everything they do looks bad. Open your eyes man.

a reply to: rnaa

Voter suppression? I thought the Black Panthers did that openly at the polls intimidating and taunting people as they went to vote.

Did the DOJ even have a passing thought about prosecuting? They were initially charged but the charges were all dropped.

It was even on video and the Dems/liberals/progressives/socialists pretended it never happened.

That was voter suppression or coercion caught on video and broadcast around the world. This was gosh honest voter intimidation, clear as a bell - but they didn't even get a slap on the wrist. Why? Because they were attempting to force voters to vote Democratic.

Election fraud, voter intimidation, on camera for all to see and because they were part of the Dems who all claim to be degenerate so they can get away with anything because we expect them to be degenerate, that's their image after all.

Why weren't they prosecuted to the full extent of the law? Not even a tiny fine? Hmmmmmmm

I see clear preferential treatment in this case because their "fraud" was benefiting the Democratic Party.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Voter suppression? I thought the Black Panthers did that openly at the polls intimidating and taunting people as they went to vote.

I guess you mean the guys that were standing there opening the doors for the voters as they walked in and thanking them for voting as they walked out?

That is your idea of voter suppression? OK, fine.
That is your idea of intimidation? OK, fine.

What then do you call White Supremicists walking around shopping centers with AK47s and M16s slung over their shoulder for no reason at all, or aimed at Federal Agents just doing their job? Affirmative Action?

Get a grip on your self, and check to see if you've maybe missed your meds for a few days, won't you?

a reply to: rnaa

www.youtube.com...

I don't call what I see here opening doors. I see men with billy clubs, shaking them at people. That is voter intimidation, voter fraud, clear and simple.

www.youtube.com...

If you still don't believe your own eyes, check out the link above where a Black Panther leader openly admits and brags they were trying to intimidate people into voting for Obama.

BTW, the mods frown upon statements like your last one, it is unnecessary, and juvenile, and says to others that you can not make a cogent argument and have to resort to name calling.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Which voter was intimidated? The 'cameraman' (cell phone holder) was challenging the guy. At no time did either the photographer or the self-styled 'security' man get out of line. The 'cameramans' questions were reasonable, but also were knowingly voiced in order to get a reaction other than the simple response 'we are security' he got back.

There is no voter intimidation involved in the filmed incident, nor intimidation of any kind. The 'cameraman' in fact had no actual business being there as he was not an election official or a voter. The 'security' man was, in fact, a certified poll watcher. I know there were witnesses who claimed that some voters were yelled at; those stories don't reveal whether or not those voters made remarks first. The incident was investigated and deemed not worthy of prosecution. Whatever you think of their behavior, the absolute worst that can be said about it is that it was two badly behaved people, in one incident, 6 years ago. It is not fundamental, on-going, repeated behavior.

If you think a guy with a night-stick is intimidation, then you must really be shocked with this:

FBI Investigates Cliven Bundy Supporters Who Allegedly Pointed Guns At Federal Officers

“You need to die”: Cliven Bundy and violent militias still terrorizing Utah, Nevada

Cliven Bundy standoff: Locals want armed militia out, lawmaker says

But none of that is what I was talking about and you know it. I was talking about this:

Voter Fraud: Non-Existent Problem or Election-Threatening Epidemic?

Over the past decade Texas has convicted 51 people of voter fraud, according the state's Attorney General Greg Abbott. Only four of those cases were for voter impersonation, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws prevent.

Nationwide that rate of voter impersonation is even lower.

Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.

The GOP War on Voting

Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

Republicans cannot win by convincing people to vote for them. Their only hope is to prevent everyone from voting. The idea that draconian ID laws are needed to stop in person voter fraud is ludicrous. It simply does not occur.

Comprehensive Database of U.S. Voter Fraud Uncovers No Evidence That Photo ID Is Needed

In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

Speaking of long term repeated voter fraud:

G.O.P. Operative Long Trailed by Allegations of Voter Fraud

Conservative Media Ignore GOP Voter Registration Fraud

And the coup-de-gras:

Republicans 'Test' For Voting Fraud, Wind Up In Custody

Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud

Roxanne Rubin, 56, a casino worker on the Las Vegas Strip, was arrested on Nov. 3, 2012 after trying to vote twice, once at her poling site in Henderson and then at a second site in Las Vegas. The poll workers at the second site said that she had already voted, but Rubin said that she hadn't and insisted on casting a ballot, which the poll workers refused to allow her to do.

Rubin said that she was trying to show how easy it would be to commit voter fraud with just a signature. "This has always been an issue with me. I just feel the system is flawed," she told the AP Thursday. "If we’re showing ID for everything else, why wouldn’t we show our ID in order to vote?”

Rubin, like many Republicans, claim that the threat from voter fraud -- which is close to non-existent -- is why voter ID laws need to be in place. But Nevada has no voter ID law -- other than for first-time voters who didn't show ID when they registered to vote -- and she was caught anyway.

Get that? No additional voter ID law required - the existing law and procedures are perfectly adequate - even to catch someone explicitly trying to prove that it isn't. She is now a convicted criminal for her trouble.

a reply to: rnaa

I can see we are never going to agree on who is doing the voter fraud.
By the way the leader of the Black Panthers said explicitly on the second video that they were trying to "force" people to vote for Obama, or leave the polling place if they weren't going to vote for Obama.

What we can agree on is that there IS voter fraud.

With the advent of computerized voting with no paper ballot it will be much much easier to commit voter fraud and leave no trail.

It has been my contention for many years that we need international poll observers from neutral countries at our national elections. It is obvious from just our Tet-a-te that conservatives and liberals/progressives/socialists can not and will not ever trust each other to be honest and fair - and as such we need outside supervision in our election process.

But this is a severe thread drift. The Mods shut down threads and send them to never never land for this kind of drift, open a new thread yourself if you want to discuss who is committing voter fraud with others.

The original OP was about how the Obama Administration targets the opposition while letting his supporters off the hook for basically the same offense.

I still contend that a conservative who openly holds a viewpoint vastly different than the liberals/progressives/socialists who run this country will be and have been scrutinized and hunted down and given the maximum sentence possible.

While liberals/progressives/socialists who openly adore the current administration and hold viewpoints identical to those who run the country are given a pass or a super light token sentence if they commit the same crime, even if it is caught on video or there is undeniable proof.

If you agree with me or not, on my original assertion, it is clear the divide between conservative thinkers in the USA and progressive thinkers in the USA has become nearly unbridgeable.

We don't trust each other and and quick to find and search for evil motives that may or may not actually exist. We have become a nation torn in half by distrust of what - political points of view. Even to the point of having to scrutinize each others emails and phone calls daily.

The USA is no longer united, it is a mere shadow of hate and reprisals that play out daily on ATS.

You don't get to break the law because you are a conservative. He's guilty, live with it.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: rnaa


The original OP was about how the Obama Administration targets the opposition while letting his supporters off the hook for basically the same offense.

Quite right, that is the claim ... a claim for which you provide zero evidence aside from your own opinions, feelings, hunches, and maybe leg-twitches.

Do you have any EVIDENCE for this wild assertion ... or are you merely copping to Obama-bashing as your god-given right?

a reply to: grandmakdw

well what do you expect from anyone in position of US president

one day, people will look at archived Alex Jones articles and say how everyone was blind deaf....and dumb

I wonder if this one should be moved to the HOAX bin, or maybe LOL?

There's certainly no evidence presented or, likely, in existence for the assertion made in the title.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Why is it illegal to donate campaign money through another person? I don't see the point. What does anyone care as long as the money gets where it's going and everyone is happy?

The thing is now, I'm going to watch this guys anti-obama movie. He might get 16 months but he will get tons of publicity from this too.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I gave the evidence in the previous pages, guess you just skipped over them because you don't believe it.

What your posts (this one and the one below it) do demonstrate quite clearly is the arrogant contempt with which liberals/progressives/socialists hold for all conservatives over simple points of view differences.

Your arrogance and juvenile statements in your next post add nothing to the conversation and certainly add no credibility to your assertions nor do they contribute in any intellectual way to the conversation. It is the kind of post the mods like to remove for rudeness and a lack of contribution to the subject at hand.


I repeat since you haven't read the previous posts:
If you agree with me or not, on my original assertion, it is clear the divide between conservative thinkers in the USA and progressive thinkers in the USA has become nearly unbridgeable.

We don't trust each other and and quick to find and search for evil motives that may or may not actually exist. We have become a nation torn in half by distrust of what - political points of view. Even to the point of having to scrutinize each others emails and phone calls daily.

The USA is no longer united, it is a mere shadow of hate and reprisals that play out daily on ATS.

And, in my personal opinion, the Obama administration is the king of reprisals with the selective use of the justice department, the IRS, and the NSA. This administration has only, I think on purpose, deepened the rift and the divide among the American people, to what end I do not know. But clearly, in my opinion, a united nation is not a goal for this administration at all.

a reply to: grandmakdw

But you didn't provide any evidence, you provided links to propaganda.

And no, sadly, I have read each page of this bash-fest.

I'm arrogant (and, of course, a socialist/communist/fascist/Kenyan/Muslim/etc./ad nauseam) MERELY because I asked for evidence which you did not and have not provided??? Who's judging who, friend? Do you understand the difference between statements of opinion and statements of fact?

You are hypocritically doing the same thing you are trying to cite me for!!! LOL

C'mon, when you're called out for a lack of facts and evidence, this is where the new neocons and wingnuts go ... trying to muddy the water by claiming that I'm attacking you or misrepresenting you, or whatever will divert from the ABSOLUTE LACK OF FACTUAL MATERIAL.

What exactly is arrogant or juvenile about suggesting that an original post that is BLATANTLY UNTRUE both in its title and in every thing that has been presented here should be removed to the HOAX bin???

It's not arrogance to state the facts. You're free to bloviate your personal opinion anywhere and anyhow the rules allow you to, but that's not what you've done here. You've made factual claims which are unsubstantiated.

... and you don't like being called out on it.

Arrogant, no. Unapologetic toward deceit and hypocrisy ? ABSOLUTELY

UPDATE:

D'Souza Gets Five Years Probation For Violating Campaign Finance Laws

Conservative writer and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza was sentenced to eight months in a community confinement center and five years probation after he pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance laws.