How Can Jesus Be God?

a reply to: Hombre

Is your God the God of the Bible? Is Jesus God? Or, is everything god andgod is everything?

originally posted by: DarknStormy
He never claimed to be God

He was far more than just a messenger...

He also had a package to deliver.

What makes a person a Christian, is the Lord Jesus Christ's blood which is applied when they are born again.

Without it, no one will make it to Heaven.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins." -Colossians 1:14

Hebrews 9:22, "...without shedding of blood is no remission. (forgivness )"

“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
-1st Peter 1:18,19

...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1st John 1:7).

This is the main reason WHY the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant has been so viciously attacked and covered-up:

"The Ark of the Covenant was found in a cave 20 feet directly below the spot where Jesus was crucified. God intended for the blood of the Lamb to fall upon the Mercy Seat..."

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"And so it was that God the Father had rent the rocks to make a way for His Son's blood to flow down from the spear-wound, through the newly formed fissure onto the very Mercy Seat itself. Now just think about this for a moment. Jeremiah had deposited the Ark in the cave some six centuries B.C., with absolutely no knowledge of the events which were to occur on Good Friday.

The Romans who hacked out the post-holes had absolutely no knowledge of what lay beneath their feet, nor that they were positioning the CENTRAL hole in exactly the right place. And until the Lord had died, there was no way for blood to trickle down because there was no crack. But these Amazing coincidences actually happened.

Yes, they ARE coincidences, because everything had to COINCIDE exactly for it to happen, but there was never any human design - it was entirely the work of God in Heaven, who knew the end from the beginning, and arranged for it to happen in that way.

THE ARK OF THE COVENANT

"As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes! They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"

"They couldn't believe what they were seeing! They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood! "

"With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?" Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah." Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting. No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count! Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth." Source

I was recently blown away when I came across something called the “Laminin Phenomena”.

Hmmm... a CROSS-SHAPED cell that holds us together and just so happens to be one of the most important cells we have.

A coincidence? I think not!

“The laminin protein molecule is the major component that makes up the extracellular matrix which is also called the basement membrane. These are the sheets of protein that form the substrate of all internal organs. Laminin assist in cell adhesion and binds other extracellular matrix components together.” The word ‘matrix’ traces back to the Hebrew word ‘ema’ which means mother and comes from the root word ‘em’ which means ‘glue’. Matrix is also etymologically connected to the word ‘madrigal.’ littleguyintheeye.wordpress.com...

a reply to: windword

There is only one god, it is love.
It is everything because it is in everything. There are no oposites to him. It Is.

a reply to: Hombre

Did the one God, the God that is love, give the 10 Commandments to Moses?

If Jesus Is God why did he need to be taught, as in John 8:28 -29a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

a reply to: Michaelfunction

Indeed. If Jesus was God, how come he didn't know about, or teach about germs and cleanliness? He insisted that he didn't need to worry about washing his hands after "healing" sick people. Well, maybe not if he was God, but the rest of us need to wash our hands after being around sick people. Why didn't he tell us? How many years later did we learn about germs and sanitation? How many people died for ignorance?

originally posted by: theyknowwhoyouare
Jesus is not god.
God is the son of man. A creation by men with the personality of a nut job.

There is a creator but the bible is not speaking of the true God. The bible speaks of man's interpretation of god. The true creator of this existence would reveal itself if it felt we were ready.

Stop believing the lie.

It isn't a Lie! What makes you so sure? Do you know God personally? I Do, and so do millions of Christians. We know without any doubt these things. It only BEGINS with faith. After that, if you seek to know God and are not an arrogant ass-hat, then HE SHOWS YOU HE KNOWS YOU TOO! Sometimes you even yell out n surprise that he revealed something just for you, even though you might have still had little doubt that he was really real. What I am trying to say to you is that you can't even get past GO unless you first cast off all that prideful smug conviction. You see, when you have those things as personal attributes, it Elf's up your real ability to surpass being just a normal smart know everything already don't need your help kind of person..


God revealed himself in the CHRIST! And thus God gave his son his own authority to be as he is with his perfectly performed work. This work was very, very expensive! God went out of his way to grant humanity a reprieve. He commuted your death sentence and gave all people another chance. And look at how you are pissing that away with the voice of assuredness and great wisdom. I guess you are going to use your own power to save yourself? I hope you make it brother.. You are not doing anything bad in my mind, but I know you do not know Christ, and you know not God, because you have said it. And because I DO know them, I know that your conclusions are patently false and ridiculous.

Will you research this more? You really should. Now after I say all of these seemingly bold things, it isn't because I am delusioned with these convictions, nor am I saying them to you because I am powerful or overzealous because I am not. But I can most factually tell you that after you get to know God and Christ and (a person, anyone) and seek to know the truth and his true word (The new testament has the correct information about Christ and God, after all, people who knew Christ witnessed him saying everything and doing all the things he did, (it isn't just some made up story like those who haven't, nor even try to have a clue say.. Non believers think Christ was just some guy conning people which is incredibly dumb, because back in those days you couldn't do that. People were a whole lot smarter then, and they remembered everything said, spoken, and everything they saw, and they remembered the information. They didn't forget like people do today. A liar or a con artist back in those days would not have had an ounce of hope, and people didn't often want to be like 5that then, they would not be trusted and wouldn't get any wo
And they didn't need teleprompters because they could read anything and recite an entire book after reading it once.

The New Testament is for all intents and purposes, correct in the identities and the titles it gives to those with the authority.
God is not angry, and he is waiting patiently for everyone with love, kindness, mercy, and the conviction that you can choose whatever you want.

The thing the non believers say that they think makes their argument stronger, is that nobody could know God exists, or Christ, or that he is still the Christ today, because they think that God, and Christ his most beloved son do not let themselves be seen or felt and they think wrongly that it is all hands off.

Funny how those who admit to knowing nothing much about God, or even believing anything about him, will come out and speak with authority about things concerning God and Christ, but they are assuming facts that they do not know, because they have not accepted God or Christ, that they are alive and exist right now.

God is not usually easy to understand UNTIL you throw out the conceit and the arrogance, and claiming to know who God is when you don't even know him, or believe, and then when you begin approaching your daily life without all that baggage, and admit you might have been wrong, (later on it changes to "I was thoroughly wrong") There are plenty of good stories in the bible's old testament and new about people who did these same things, and then God taught them they were wrong and delivered them. They started realizing they didn't know, because they couldn't know the truth about God, until they started fresh with the right virtues and not the old haughty ways they had let lead their lives up to that point.

God likes when people humble themselves and stop trying to rule all the knowledge as if they know, when there are things missing in their hearts. Admitting you "Could be wrong" is a start.

God is all of the best that can exist, no hate in him, and when a person doesn't believe or says something wrong about him, he doesn't stop loving that person. He sure didn't give up on me when even I thought he should have! God has gotten mad at me a couple times though, and all I can say is that when I thought I was a goner and going to die one time in an accident, I was suddenly overcome with despair that it was too late, because I thought I had failed in my life's purpose, and that now I was going to die. Right then God grabbed me and I instantly realized I shouldn't of said those things, about it being to late and despairing at the sudden end coming, because that showed I had allowed all my faith to evaporate in an instance. God doesn't appreciate that when his people don't stay strong in faith about him. It is the same for when a person's spouse doesn't trust them, or an employer, or anyone. It is pretty insulting isn't it? Anyway, I apologized and was glad about having my ass pulled out of the fire again by the almighty.

The only reason I have told this story is because unless you actually know God and Christ by looking for the truth and being open to every possibility, and trusting that their is and must be an all powerful one, just like how creations is a hierarchy of things from the lowest, to the highest. So when someone waltzes in and claims boldly "There is no God, and Christ isn't real" They are speaking with a very large deficit in the IQ department, (IQ being used to describe accumulated knowledge just in this instance). For when they make that claim, they are heaping up all kinds of reasons to show how they are right, but the reason being used is totally false.

I have never met a non believer who didn't usually flaunt how smart they were, and how dumb I must be for believing in God and Christ. That attitude though isn't one that supports any kind of learning though. How can they expect to know the truth about God, when they show by their own ways, bias, and actions and words, that they are totally opposite of how God and Christ are?
Conditions must first be met before you can even begin to learn if God and Christ are what I am saying, or MORE IMPORTANTLY, what you even are saying. Before you can make the claims you make and have a chance of being right about it first must have the right attitude and other prerequisite things. (I have no idea why this went so long) ARGHH

Great example my friend!!!

a reply to: Michaelfunction



Another good one is John 8:42

Jesus said unto them, "if God were your father, ye would love me, for I proceeded forth & came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me"

a reply to: Murgatroid

Nice little tidbit of info there, garcias!

For example, David D. Swanson states: "Our knowledge of truth is most clearly revealed on the cross of Christ. And what holds the human body together? Laminin. And what does it look like? A cross. Coincidence? Some would say yes, but I think it is yet another way God reveals his glory to us. I think God is the one who holds all things together-our bodies-our world-our lives."[27] Fazale Rana, a biochemist and apologist, disagrees with Giglio and instead argues that "Instead of pointing to superficial features of biomolecules such as the “cross-shaped” architecture of laminin, there are many more substantive ways to use biochemistry to argue for the necessity of a Creator."

gives these another aspect of some oomph! har

He is before all things, and in him all things are held together. Colossians1

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness Genesis1

Romans 1 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

a reply to: windword

Me cant answer yet if god did it or not. Im getting ideas/knowledge mostly in the late nights awakening or early in the morning.
Few times i did got answers while i was awake, but i havent written them down.

It could be, that some of his angels did dictated to the moses of the bible, if that has happened.
I would say god has probably not dictated them. But then Logic says, if he is all that is, then he problably did.

Let me guess, you are trying to bring me to an illogical answer to show me that my logic is not logical ?

But if i look on what you call commandments, i would say that this should be everyones rules to live
which would bring happyness to everyone.
In god, you have everything because he gave you everything, you just dont see it because of what you have learned.

For me to answer to the "biblical" god, which represents (in a way) the god that is, but is not jesus, is meaningless.
There is no reason to search for god in the past. you cant find him there. He is now.

Reason tells me also that, talking about something which replaces god, is a way to make false god's.this must, ofcourse , not be so.

a reply to: Logarock

Presumptuous is saying something like "for all I know" and yet trying to engage like you have some command of the material.

My point was that I believe windword has a fine command of the material. And I said "as far as I know" - it's a bit different than "for all I know."

a reply to: Hombre

Let me guess, you are trying to bring me to an illogical answer to show me that my logic is not logical ?

No, not at all. I actually agree with you. I think that God is in everything and everything is God.

No, I was trying to get you to answer the question in the OP. Is the Christian version of Jesus, and the Biblical God of the Old Testament, who they claim to one, "GOD"?

I say, they are much God as you and I.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Luv ya buzzy. Hugs!

Speaking of "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.Isaiah66

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Hebrews1

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. Revelation21

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John14

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new..To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them 2Corinthians5

Matthew 24 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Isaiah66

a reply to: windword

Well, to answer this, god did not created sickness. Man has created sickness.
Every illness is man made.

The body does not exists at any point in time. it is an illusion.

Therefore Man's mind belief in sickness makes you sick.

The Mind is which believes that there is sickness and death.
The Ego is telling the mind that all this is true , because ego wants to survive.

God's answer to the ego's creation was Holy Spirit, Which is voice of god for god.

(here comes a part which i dont fully understand) Your mind can choose its master. There are only 2 choices, God or Ego.
Whichever you choose will show you a different world. so choose wisely.

The Earth is only a belief formed long time ago and maintained by the Network of minds.For better understanding you can call it Matrix or Collective knowingness.

All this were made by the power of son of god. and in reality it is long time over. The son of god is only reviewing this over and over from every man's perspective, sometime a nightmare, which can easily be ended.

I just saw an error in thinking (rereading your post). Jesus is a part of son of god who managed to undo his ego and to
hear only god's voice in this world.
When you hear this voice, you can do miracles, you will realise that you are this miracle.

And there was again the learning thing, you are listening to the ego. Ego doesnt makes you happy.
You will need to unlearn all you have learned, to know god again, then you will be able to do everything that this bible-jesus did.

Everything you see is an illusion. Everything i see through bodily eyes is an illusion.

Here is something new to think about. All the world's major religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Buddishim, Islam etc all share the one thing in common. They worship the same God. How they worship Him is just a matter of cultural and ethnic interpretation. Why can't all the world's religions just accept that? We should embrace and rejoice in each other's faiths. I do my best to embrace other faiths. If we could all do that then perhaps we might just get a glimpse of the Kingdom of Heaven Christ referred to.

originally posted by: Wirral Bagpuss
Here is something new to think about. All the world's major religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Buddishim, Islam etc all share the one thing in common. They worship the same God. How they worship Him is just a matter of cultural and ethnic interpretation. Why can't all the world's religions just accept that? We should embrace and rejoice in each other's faiths. I do my best to embrace other faiths. If we could all do that then perhaps we might just get a glimpse of the Kingdom of Heaven Christ referred to.

Rubbish. That's insulting to every religion except the three Abrahamic religions. By the way, Buddhism is a philosphy not a religion. Aren't you aware that many religions are polytheistic? Only a few are monotheistic and it's not coincidental that they're the problem. This notion of yours that everything would be great if everyone believed exactly what you believe is so monotheistic.

God likes when people humble themselves and stop trying to rule all the knowledge as if they know, when there are things missing in their hearts. Admitting you "Could be wrong" is a start.

God is all of the best that can exist, no hate in him, and when a person doesn't believe or says something wrong....


Does that include typing a long diatribe picking apart others beliefs? Does that include kicking St. Pete off the gate and doing His job for Him?...

Lao Tzu also covers it in the TaoTeChing written at least 500 years before Jesus did His first kitchen remodel.. Goes something like this. "The One who speaks (types a load) does not know.. The One who knows does not speak (type)....

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Where & why do people conceive the notion that Jesus is God?

Various denominations claim various doctrines. I agree with you that Jesus was not God as Jesus the man. Where I believe most understand this is in the preexistence of Jesus. That is if there was a preexistence. Without citing scripture (unless pressed to do so) Jesus had remembrance of Lucifer being cast from heaven as well as stating that no man (at that time) had ever been in heaven except His self.

I believe many people are taught this through John 1:1-3 -----
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The understanding from this doctrine is that the Word was brought forth from God as His image but still an individual entity from the Spirit God. God being total invisibility showed Himself to relate to the celestial creations senses. This is believed by some as showing that the Word was not created but begotten of the Father with life within Himself. I(n other words the Word was God's image to the celestial creation as a personage.

As the Word became flesh it was still the same preexisting spirit but had a substance change of its image from celestial to terrestrial. The word was brought forth through a woman and became known as Jesus. Jesus was reported to have life within Himself such as raising Lazarus from the grave but showed no creative power. This was explained in that He divested Himself from this power to minister to the human family as flesh, bone and blood. In other words He humbled Himself to show his Father that He would become a one time sacrifice to introduce the kingdom of heaven (New Jerusalem) to this terrestrial creation.

Through all of this Jesus was still flesh, blood and bone and was not God but was the begotten of God. He was actually the son of God both in the heaven and on earth. He never usurped authority and never claimed to be God. It was certain men and women who made His image to be God. He died as any man would die of the flesh and was then resurrected from flesh back to His formal status as the celestial Son of God but known once again as the "Word". When He returns again He will be as "The Word of God" and not Jesus. The man Jesus is dead and will never be again the nan Jesus. His name is given to us for our understanding but nothing more.

a reply to: Logarock

"I am" is from my point of view a title. Just because Jesus was "I am" before Abraham do not mean he is the only one with that title chosen by the holy spirit.