What is Westminsters Plan B

Why yet has anyone questioned whether the North Sea oil has already been sold?

Westminster will do what it has always done...

Sit back and laugh at the Scottish.

The people voting yes have the best of intentions but do not realize that you are being sold a boat with a hole in it. If you have to become independent to realize that then so be it. Wish you Scots the best of luck, you'll need it.

a reply to: clemo7
Rights to drill has already been agreed for many of the fields but it is the tax from what they recover that is relavent.

a reply to: SearchLightsInc
Why would Scotland with huge natural resources and a skilled work force be any worse off than any other north European country?

a reply to: [post=18406820]alldaylong[/post
Did you miss the part of the article you linked stating that even the most northern possible maritime border still puts the vast majority of oil in Scottish waters?
Besides which there is no evidence that the border would be moved. Westminister already did one sea grab just before devolution and legally agreed the border at that time.
I also find it amusing that so many posters seem to think the aces all lie with rUK in the negotiations.
Think trident base and debt share amongst others.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: SearchLightsInc
Why would Scotland with huge natural resources and a skilled work force be any worse off than any other north European country?

Look, im not going to get into a debate about what Scotland has or hasnt got, but half the crap your Scottish leader's are telling you is absolute Bull****

Vote yes but it will all end in tear's i assure you. Im surprised there not promising every single scot their own castle with a pony haha

**EDIT** And incase your not aware, yes they are trying to SELL IT TO YOU.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: [post=18406820]alldaylong[/post
Did you miss the part of the article you linked stating that even the most northern possible maritime border still puts the vast majority of oil in Scottish waters?
Besides which there is no evidence that the border would be moved. Westminister already did one sea grab just before devolution and legally agreed the border at that time.
I also find it amusing that so many posters seem to think the aces all lie with rUK in the negotiations.
Think trident base and debt share amongst others.

The courts will decided.

Not you or i.

If I can just throw a different thought into the ring....

Cameron has been constantly saying that he wants Scotland to remain part of the UK, and that a vote for independence would be bad for the UK, but with an election coming up, 41 of the MP's in Scotland are Labour, if they went, there would be a guaranteed Conservative majority in the Commons for a long time, so all of this 'please stay' crap from the Tories is flannel, secretly they are hoping the Scots do leave, so the Labour seats will become null and void in the Election stakes.
Cameron and Osbourne must be laughing behind their false smiles thinking about Labour losing all that support.

originally posted by: royspeed
If I can just throw a different thought into the ring....

Cameron has been constantly saying that he wants Scotland to remain part of the UK, and that a vote for independence would be bad for the UK, but with an election coming up, 41 of the MP's in Scotland are Labour, if they went, there would be a guaranteed Conservative majority in the Commons for a long time, so all of this 'please stay' crap from the Tories is flannel, secretly they are hoping the Scots do leave, so the Labour seats will become null and void in the Election stakes.
Cameron and Osbourne must be laughing behind their false smiles thinking about Labour losing all that support.

SPOT ON.

I always guessed there would be ulterior motives to offering scotland the chance to become independent. This had got to be one of them.

a reply to: SearchLightsInc
Can you actually show one of these fantasy promises made? Free unicorns or baths full of whisky?
Of course not because they are all the fevered imagination of the pro union establishment press.
In case you are not aware not everything you read/see on the media is true.

a reply to: [post18407150]alldaylong[/post]
Most likely the negotiations would decide but failing that the courts. Going but the most pessimistic possible interpretation the vast majority of oil is in Scottish waters.

a reply to: [post18407150]alldaylong[/post]
Most likely the negotiations would decide but failing that the courts. Going but the most pessimistic possible interpretation the vast majority of oil is in Scottish waters.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: [post18407150]alldaylong[/post]
Most likely the negotiations would decide but failing that the courts. Going but the most pessimistic possible interpretation the vast majority of oil is in Scottish waters.

Scottish waters are 12 nautical miles.

Most oil fields come well outside that.

www.scotland.gov.uk...

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: [post18407150]alldaylong[/post]
Most likely the negotiations would decide but failing that the courts. Going but the most pessimistic possible interpretation the vast majority of oil is in Scottish waters.

No, the most pessimistic possible interpretation includes the Shetlands opting out and potentially borking the entire northern maritime boundary. I don't doubt for a second that Cameron will try to ensure an opt-out clause is included, just like the last referendum.

a reply to: alldaylong
But well within the exclusive zone/ continental shelf. 12 mile limit hadn't really been relavent since the 1800s.
Why do you think norway/ uk get the oil now?
Do you want another try?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: alldaylong
But well within the exclusive zone/ continental shelf. 12 mile limit hadn't really been relavent since the 1800s.
Why do you think norway/ uk get the oil now?
Do you want another try?

I don't need to try anything.

As i have said previously, the courts will decide. Scotland had better be prepared for a protracted and expensive legal challenge. If you think the rest of The U.K. will say " Ok Scotland, just take the oil" then you must be mad.
While the court cases go on, there will be no way Scotland can deny the rest of The U.K. from taking oil revenue.

Stay tuned.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: SearchLightsInc
Can you actually show one of these fantasy promises made? Free unicorns or baths full of whisky?
Of course not because they are all the fevered imagination of the pro union establishment press.
In case you are not aware not everything you read/see on the media is true.

To name one of them "Scotland will be one of the wealthiest nations on the planet"

Come on now, how much whiskey have your leaders been drinking????? Really, REALLY NOW!?

Hell, I want you to go Independent just to prove me wrong!

a reply to: SearchLightsInc
Claim based on actual oecd gdp per capita figures then. Yep obviously complete fantasy.
Why would you not think a developed north european country with huge natural resource reserves would be wealthy?

a reply to: alldaylong
So despite the fact you have been shown to be wrong you want to stick to your position. That I cool whatever gets you through the night.
Thankfully more realistic people will actually make the decisions.
Do remember all the debt stays with rUK until assets are divided.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: alldaylong
So despite the fact you have been shown to be wrong you want to stick to your position. That I cool whatever gets you through the night.
Thankfully more realistic people will actually make the decisions.
Do remember all the debt stays with rUK until assets are divided.

Who has shown me i am wrong? Not you or anyone else.

If you REALLY think the rUK will just hand over the oil rights without a fight, you are more simple than Salmond.
Some of us live in the real world, not like yourself who thinks everything is black or white.