Billions of pounds wiped from value of Scottish firms after yes vote

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe we should have just skipped the democratic process on how to become a Independent country and went straight for the US, Irish model instead.
Just remember all you people in here who are appalled and disgusted that we/us little Scots have the temerity to even attempt to become a "stand on it's own two feet Nation" without the need for Mother England to spoon feed us..

There was other options available.

Maybe you would have preferred us to go down that route then you all could really have something to bitch about.?

More English than Scots in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over the issue.

(Raises eyebrows) Well pardon us for asking if the 'Yes' campaign isn't being over-optimistic. The fact that Jim Sellars has now claimed that his menacing comments yesterday were some kind of attempt at getting publicity (he's not fooling anyone) should speak volumes about his character.

Link to the "FACT" of what Jim Sillars claimed to be a publicity stunt....Please.

And are you English?....Last thing i saw you post was a Bigoted comment about the English.

I'm Welsh. As you know. Why would you infer that I'm English?

I dont know, maybe the fact that my post was directed at our angry English members, but in flew Super Taffy to England's defence.

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Now ay, Scotland and Wales, stop fighting....don't make big brother England get between you! (think about it, think about it...lol).

lol

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe we should have just skipped the democratic process on how to become a Independent country and went straight for the US, Irish model instead.
Just remember all you people in here who are appalled and disgusted that we/us little Scots have the temerity to even attempt to become a "stand on it's own two feet Nation" without the need for Mother England to spoon feed us..

There was other options available.

Maybe you would have preferred us to go down that route then you all could really have something to bitch about.?

More English than Scots in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over the issue.

(Raises eyebrows) Well pardon us for asking if the 'Yes' campaign isn't being over-optimistic. The fact that Jim Sellars has now claimed that his menacing comments yesterday were some kind of attempt at getting publicity (he's not fooling anyone) should speak volumes about his character.

Link to the "FACT" of what Jim Sillars claimed to be a publicity stunt....Please.

And are you English?....Last thing i saw you post was a Bigoted comment about the English.

I'm Welsh. As you know. Why would you infer that I'm English?

I dont know, maybe the fact that my post was directed at our angry English members, but in flew Super Taffy to England's defence.

Um, the Union's defence actually. At least you had some say in it. We didn't. Anyway - 'Super Taffy'??? Are you trying to be offensive or are you about to label all the English as Sassenachs? And are you seriously defending Sillars?

EDIT: The more I read about it the more it worries me. And the heckling is equally worrying.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe we should have just skipped the democratic process on how to become a Independent country and went straight for the US, Irish model instead.
Just remember all you people in here who are appalled and disgusted that we/us little Scots have the temerity to even attempt to become a "stand on it's own two feet Nation" without the need for Mother England to spoon feed us..

There was other options available.

Maybe you would have preferred us to go down that route then you all could really have something to bitch about.?

More English than Scots in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over the issue.

(Raises eyebrows) Well pardon us for asking if the 'Yes' campaign isn't being over-optimistic. The fact that Jim Sellars has now claimed that his menacing comments yesterday were some kind of attempt at getting publicity (he's not fooling anyone) should speak volumes about his character.

Link to the "FACT" of what Jim Sillars claimed to be a publicity stunt....Please.

And are you English?....Last thing i saw you post was a Bigoted comment about the English.

I'm Welsh. As you know. Why would you infer that I'm English?

I dont know, maybe the fact that my post was directed at our angry English members, but in flew Super Taffy to England's defence.

Um, the Union's defence actually. At least you had some say in it. We didn't. Anyway - 'Super Taffy'??? Are you trying to be offensive or are you about to label all the English as Sassenachs? And are you seriously defending Sillars?

Taffy Offends you...christ when did a Welshman develope such thin skins. Yeah.I'm defending Jim Sillars, What he said was correct...It's about time someone with a bit of backbone came out and stood up against these bullying tactics orchestrated entirely in Westminster.

As jim said, For a Bank to threaten us and have the absolute gall to say Scottish independence could cause a Worldwide depression is a absolute hypocrisy.
It's because of these banks we are in the mess we are in. £1.4 trillion in debt and rising by the second...it's because of these Banks 1 in 5 children in Scotland are living in poverty.
It's because of these Banks that our children have inherited a debt they will be paying into their 30's if not longer.

Anyone who goes on TV and has the Balls to tell the truth about the backhanded way..Probably "Backhander" way is more appropriate, about how Westminster/David (this is a Scottish decision for Scottish people") Cameron has interfered and colluded with big Business and the media once again in Scottish affairs has 100% my backing.

And all these companies and media, BBC, Tabloid press, Banks, retail, etc etc...who have turned their backs on us will feel the pain of boycott forever and a day. We wont forgive nor forget.
I know a few who have already cancelled BBC Licence fees/direct debits and they swear they will never again pay them a penny...myself included.

The Daily Record, The Sun, The Star, The Daily Mail etc are already feeling the bite. just go to a YES page on facebook and you will see how many people are up in arms and committed to never doing business with these bags of rats ever again.

Scotland will never be Independent, Because between Westminster, the media and TPTB they have all but well and truly Scared the crap out of a lot of people, "Old People" with their BS and lies.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

Next time you are in Annan and Dumfries ask them about the Oil exploration that was carried out in the early eighties in the Clyde and the report "lost" according the the UK government. Ask them about the MOD Blocking any Drilling operations because they need to get their Subs in and out...

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

Agreed. All the heckling and aggression is worrying. We're a democracy, not a children's playground. A heavy police presence around the 'No' events is a sign that something unpleasant has been unleashed.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

No. He was petulant, aggressive and threatening. And this proves my point. If this vote is as close as it promises to be then Scotland will be split in half in terms of opinion. You need to bring people together at such a time - not alienate them. What are you going to do if it's a 50.01% yes and 49.99% no vote? Herd all the 'No' voters over the Border to create a purer Scotland?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, you seem to have a lot of anger directed towards the English. Is it the English people in general or just the government?

The government I could understand, anywhere north of Birmingham seems to get right royaly screwed over, especially (as someone else on here pointed out) Labour strongholds.

Living on the border there is a large Scottish presence round here, and there is never a bad word said between anybody. We work well together, we play well together, I would like to think your anger is just towards TPTB, it would be a shame otherwise.

As I have said before, I'm the best of both worlds, and I am proud of both sides of my ancestry.....hell, I've even got bagpipes and an Elder tartan colours kilt (real kilt, around the waist and over the shoulder, not one that just looks like a skirt!) Only took me best part of 2 years to learn how to tune the bloody thing properly! lol.

a reply to: woogleuk

Lol, I was married in Welsh kilt!

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

Agreed. All the heckling and aggression is worrying. We're a democracy, not a children's playground. A heavy police presence around the 'No' events is a sign that something unpleasant has been unleashed.

What heavy Police presence, where...?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: Soloprotocol

No. He was petulant, aggressive and threatening. And this proves my point. If this vote is as close as it promises to be then Scotland will be split in half in terms of opinion. You need to bring people together at such a time - not alienate them. What are you going to do if it's a 50.01% yes and 49.99% no vote? Herd all the 'No' voters over the Border to create a purer Scotland?

Not nearly Threatening and Aggressive enough as far as i'm concerned.

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, you seem to have a lot of anger directed towards the English. Is it the English people in general or just the government?

The government I could understand, anywhere north of Birmingham seems to get right royaly screwed over, especially (as someone else on here pointed out) Labour strongholds.

Living on the border there is a large Scottish presence round here, and there is never a bad word said between anybody. We work well together, we play well together, I would like to think your anger is just towards TPTB, it would be a shame otherwise.

As I have said before, I'm the best of both worlds, and I am proud of both sides of my ancestry.....hell, I've even got bagpipes and an Elder tartan colours kilt (real kilt, around the waist and over the shoulder, not one that just looks like a skirt!) Only took me best part of 2 years to learn how to tune the bloody thing properly! lol.

My Anger is soley Directed at Westminster and the Lords and Ladies, the leeches that suck us all dry. I was merely pointing out that a good number of English in this forum seem to be getting their knickers in more of a twist about Scottish Independence than the Scots here are.

How do you tune a Kilt.?

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

Next time you are in Annan and Dumfries ask them about the Oil exploration that was carried out in the early eighties in the Clyde and the report "lost" according the the UK government. Ask them about the MOD Blocking any Drilling operations because they need to get their Subs in and out...

There is sadly a long history of corruption in whitehall, remember the Duck tidal electricity generator's.
www.theengineer.co.uk...
Somebody in whitehall deliberatly misplaced the decimal point on the draught figures for costing overlay for today our energy in the UK would be supplemented by these, places such as east England would not be suffering the rate of erosion to the north sea that they are as these things absorb the wave energy and leave the water glassy smooth on the other side.

Personally I agree with all the thing's the Scot's who want independace are complaining about and they are CORRECT but it was not only scotland but every one north of Birmingham who had that bad deal.

(Except in the wealthy rural Tory seat area's which mysteriously had far better person per person spending than the city's such as Manchester, Newcastle and Liverpool to pick example ever recieved and why for instance Lancashire is heavily Tory while these inner city's were the bulk of the northern english live are mainly strong Labour)

It is about politics and we have all had enough to the conceited little Twizzles (Sorry stars and hash's just doese not convey what I want to call them) that are currently running the country but we who are almost identical to you but south of the border and who also have a lot of scottish ancestry (not including the 800.000 scots who live in england and are denied a vote by Salmond (is'nt that convenient deny scot's who will definitely say NO a vote), well basically we hate those old school tie wearing bigots' just as much as you but are feeling both a little betrayed and dismayed by you leaving our backs to stand apart.

Though if we lived north of the border what would we vote, I say I would vote NO! but just maybe though I would not trust Salmond as far as I could throw him (and I think he is better than anyone in whitehall so that will explain how low my esteem of that bunch of crooks is), now Just maybe I am a little jealous (though I am scared at the outcome) and would just maybe actually vote YES! but I do think it will leave the remnant of the then broken UK a very weak country internationally as well as trashing our economy's on both sides of the border, it won't effect the fat cats but it will hurt the working class and the lower middle class but then since the 1980's the Scot's have been walked all over by Thatcherite governance that even when NEW LABOUR was in power remained exactly the same with ongoing privatization and growing wealth disparity, this is because Thatcher abolished the legal requirement for wages to keep track with inflation (we would never have the problem she caused for the welfare state as by law the benefits had to keep track and she never changed that so wages fell and benefits rose effectively a long term sabotage of the welfare state done deliberately with cold and cruel calculation on that government's part), a sensible law that meant the wealth disparity remained in balance.

Of course the minority wealthy with the loudest voices bought up and then sold off what had and rightfully should still be our national asset's, indurstries and infrastructor before finally turning on the big elephant (Cake) in the room, the NHS so I thought it a little hypocritical when milliband brought that up, still he is innocent of Tony Blairs Thatcherite policy's and the NHS Trust back door privatisation fiasco.

So do you think some of us discouraged English will be able to apply for Scot's citizenship and leave the dying ship for the rat's in whitehall, or is there a racial element to it after all.

Oh by the way don't forget that there was a near coup against the Labour government in the 1970's that had full US backing and Lord Mountbatten or should we call him Battenbourg was going to be the interim prime minister, the blackmailed and forced Harold Wilson the labour prime minister out of office then tarred his name.
Read this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.theguardian.com...

This next one may be a strictly extreme left wing website so will espouse criticism form anti socialists but what a read.
www.wsws.org...

Now remember this coup would have been a coup against the Scots people as well as the working class english and democracy in Britain by an elite group of Scum that should have been banged away and the key thrown away.

Remember how the Yorkshire miners had there Human Right's and Dignity violated, peaceful strikers were beaten over the heads with lead weighted truncheons, how Thatcher used MI5 to spy on Labour and the TUC even destroying our steel works and other major industry, well was anyone ever brought to justice or is there no Justice in the UK, if you get independance I hope that is the first thing that get's fixed north of the border.

One thing I would dearly love to see would be a true in depth investigation of Thatchers last election as I am certain it was rigged by the Tory's, Labour were ahead in the moray poll, they were winning until a farting little final constituency count and the after count was also dodgy and I do not care what anyone else says, I lived through it, it was fixed and kinnock was either bought off or blackmailed so accepted the count even though many in the party wanted a recount and to demand an investigation.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

Agreed. All the heckling and aggression is worrying. We're a democracy, not a children's playground. A heavy police presence around the 'No' events is a sign that something unpleasant has been unleashed.

What heavy Police presence, where...?

From this again.

"Labour figures travelling with Ed Miliband told The Independent they are concerned by the increasingly unpleasant and well-orchestrated attempts by Yes supporters to disrupt their events. They added that the situation had got worse in the last few days and all their visits now had a heavy police presence.

"Mr Salmond has consistently denied that such disruption is coordinated or condoned but this is treated with considerable scepticism by the Better Together campaign.

"At a press conference on Thursday, Yes supporters heckled the BBC’s political editor Nick Robinson as he pushed Mr Salmond about the impact of independence on the Scottish financial sector."

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: Soloprotocol

No. He was petulant, aggressive and threatening. And this proves my point. If this vote is as close as it promises to be then Scotland will be split in half in terms of opinion. You need to bring people together at such a time - not alienate them. What are you going to do if it's a 50.01% yes and 49.99% no vote? Herd all the 'No' voters over the Border to create a purer Scotland?

Not nearly Threatening and Aggressive enough as far as i'm concerned.

(Facepalm) Can I remind you about the other part of my post? What about the division in Scotland?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I personally think the no's will get it, but as the day approaches, what was just light hearted shouting between the two is starting to get worryingly aggressive.

I reckon there is going to be trouble yes or no, I wouldn't like to be an English (or Welsh) person living across the border right now.

Some of my bigger business contracts are in Annan and Dumfries, it worries me what impact either vote could have, but of course especially the yes.

I could even honestly see some sort of civil war break out eventually, either way.

Agreed. All the heckling and aggression is worrying. We're a democracy, not a children's playground. A heavy police presence around the 'No' events is a sign that something unpleasant has been unleashed.

What heavy Police presence, where...?

From this again.

"Labour figures travelling with Ed Miliband told The Independent they are concerned by the increasingly unpleasant and well-orchestrated attempts by Yes supporters to disrupt their events. They added that the situation had got worse in the last few days and all their visits now had a heavy police presence.

"Mr Salmond has consistently denied that such disruption is coordinated or condoned but this is treated with considerable scepticism by the Better Together campaign.

"At a press conference on Thursday, Yes supporters heckled the BBC’s political editor Nick Robinson as he
pushed Mr Salmond about the impact of independence on the Scottish financial sector."

On the whole, i would say that the majority of the " Yes " camp come from the lower classes. The " No " camp more from the middle class.

The lower class and aggression often go hand in hand.

Insult

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What I don't understand, and if someone could explain it that would be great, is why you think an independent Scottish government would be any less corrupt than the UK government is now.

Also Scotland may be leaders in stuff like medicine, clean energy or whatever, but where does the funding for all this come from? Is it purely from inside Scotland? If it isn't then you may have difficulties with sustaining those standards in the long run.

When things like healthcare and benefits are withdrawn from the country where will this money come from within Scotland?

I do actually worry for the Scottish people that they have been misled to believe in a glorious new Scotland where it's all rainbows and butterflies, when in reality they will just be left with massive debt and a highly reduced income, and a government that is still corrupt.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Tune the pipes, lmao, sorry just put my wording the wrong way round.