14 Years ago a Time Traveler Warned us of a Nuclear War with Russia in 2015

originally posted by: cArLoSCuBsTaR
a reply to: SLAYER69

What good would killing Hitler do in a multiverse? What difference will any changes make to the traveller as all possible outcomes are already created within the superverse? I don't think you thought that through slayer...

That's exactly the kind of reply I've been waiting for.

IF True.

Then what the hell good is it him supposedly coming back to 'Warn' us if we are to do nothing about it?

We shouldn't attempt to change anything? As you've stated "What good would it do in a multiverse? What difference will any changes make to the traveller as all possible outcomes are already created within the superverse?


So in essence he was just a time traveling Doom Porn star?

Have YOU thought this through?

a reply to: SLAYER69

Well there is another option.. He could of been someone who did know stuff and found this avenue the most appropriate or effective way of drawing attention to the issue... But who really knows..

originally posted by: elysiumfire
It beggars belief! Not Titor's story telling, but that some convince themselves that what he writes is truth, or even think his story is actually plausible...it isn't.

Physical time travel is an impossibility. Even in a 'clockwork' universe (which it isn't) time travel is an impossibility. You simply cannot travel through something that doesn't actually exist. Time is nothing more than the observation of motion and its duration. It can only be reviewed in memory. It cannot be travelled physically.

There is great theorizing, debate, and discussion by scientists way smarter than you and I and anyone here going on right now about these topics. To say implausible and impossible to to be a fool of history and science, or knowledge for that matter. Not to disagree with your judgement on Titor, but that latter statement, as quoted, I found to be of ignorance itself.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

That's exactly the kind of reply I've been waiting for.

IF True.

Then what the hell good is it him supposedly coming back to 'Warn' us if we are to do nothing about it?

We shouldn't attempt to change anything? As you've stated "What good would it do in a multiverse? What difference will any changes make to the traveller as all possible outcomes are already created within the superverse?

So in essence he was just a time traveling Doom Porn star?

Have YOU thought this through?

As for morality, again I point to the "universal" balance of good and evil. For every worldline where there is peace, there is a worldline that has destroyed itself. The decisions and actions we take as individuals can only help those who we have direct interaction with. I believe it is wrong to be capable of helping and do nothing. My struggle is in the irony that if everyone just "did nothing", on every worldline, there would be no action and thus no immorality or evil (no good either).

Since every possible outcome, event and possibility is happening and will happen, then all good and all evil balances out in the superverse. After the reality of multiple worlds sank into our collective thought, the one basic change to all religious dogma is the concept that good and evil does not exist as an organized force in our lives nor can it be used as a useful way to judge what God may think of a situation. Good and evil are personal experiences that can only guide what we do as individuals and how we relate to others. This outlook also makes it impossible for me to judge any other person or event.

We cannot see the entire universe as God sees it therefore we will never be Gods or be capable of judging anything outside of ourselves. My actions can only be judged as good and bad by me and my God. There is also an area of thought that maintains all of the "yous" out there will make up the "you" that eventually returns to God. In that manner, it is frustrating to know that you are capable of and acting on all of the thoughts and ideas you have regardless of what the "you" here is doing. How good or evil do you think you can be?

There is even an idea (supported in physics apparently but I have a hard time with this one) that there is some sort of communication going on between all of the "yous" that are out there. Some people think that memories, intuition and conscious are actually attempts by one version of "you" to talk to another.

-John Titor

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: revmoofoo

I just wish we knew the author because then we could see his/her other work.
I mean how many Titor wannabes have we seen on ATS?.
He started it all

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There was one introducing themselves just the other day by the handle of Kobalt and not very well, interestingly, or convincing either.

a reply to: AllSourceIntel

Yup saw that one also...told him it wasn't original .

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: SLAYER69

Well there is another option.. He could of been someone who did know stuff and found this avenue the most appropriate or effective way of drawing attention to the issue... But who really knows..

Cool so we are to believe Russia Nukes US/EU cities with Multiple Nukes each and then he mentions US population gets cut down from 315 million to about 130 million. The EU is a mess but he doesn't mention how many Millions killed by the Russian first strike, nor does he mention how many Russians or Chinese are killed by the West Nuclear counter strike *Which he mentions* but so far I haven't read anything posted about it.


Why isn't anybody screaming bloody murder about Russia incinerating (Rough Guestimate here) over 530 Million+ combined of the EU/US?

Oh, wait. I forgot, What does it matter anyways...

The whole 'Superverse' thingy.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Yep, I remember that. Basically told him he would be grilled and viewed sceptically big time while asking a bunch of questions. Ha, I even asked him about Titor.

A reply to SLAYER69

Ha ha ha thats awesome!!!

But you are completely right in your other post as well if he actually did come back in time then he altered our timeline so the past as he knew it might not follow the same timeline or events. Kinda like Terminator 3 they thought they stopped judgment day from happening but they just delayed it. IDK time travel seems like a total head F*ck to even contemplate on a large scale. And its to early to put a ton of thought into. Or late depending on where you are.

What if the people in power right now knew about this guy and purposly altered their plans to discredit him??? Or maybe he game them the ideas. ha ha

Does it really matter whether you believe Titor to be a time traveler or not? Look (and think) about his overall message.

My actions can only be judged as good and bad by me and my God. There is also an area of thought that maintains all of the "yous" out there will make up the "you" that eventually returns to God. In that manner, it is frustrating to know that you are capable of and acting on all of the thoughts and ideas you have regardless of what the "you" here is doing. How good or evil do you think you can be?

To me, the question of his being what he says he is, is not important AT ALL. Think Karma.

I'm sorry.

I had to stop reading the instant I saw that Popular Mechanics cover from 2036, which included the headline:
"E-Books the New Way to Read"

Wow.

I could so easily say "so what he's a fear mongering hoax artist" but what he has said is believable and what is happening right now has a clear resemblance to what he foretold of.

Even if this guy was an utter fraud and was making up everything he said, doesn't it seem like what he has said could actually happen and even looks like it is happening right now?

Only the future will tell - and we can't do jack to change it.

a reply to: PurpleDog UK

Nice avatar- "Yes" each of 'Us' are "time travelers" It is the 'time traveler' that can add the "space" to the equation, is the One to heed.

I haven't a link, per se, but that really smart guy, "Alfred Epstein" did some figuring on it.

"Common Passerby Opinion": Wouldn't this ruin "The Game"? Knowing the future in the 'Game of Life' .. How much fun would Poker be if You KNEW Your cards, Your opponents cards, and then the cards that are about to be played?? Not much "fun" and You wouldn't "learn" .. i.e. "overworking the program" 'Learn, teach and have fun'

namaste

a reply to: METACOMET

If there is to be an atomic war in 2015, and this Titor chap came back in time from the year 2036; then the world including science and technology must have survived.
Otherwise how did he travel back from 2036 ?

Here's the time traveling device, first in a Corvette and later in a truck of some kind ???

originally posted by: VegHead
I'm sorry.

I had to stop reading the instant I saw that Popular Mechanics cover from 2036, which included the headline:
"E-Books the New Way to Read"

Wow.

Is this sarcasm?
2nd

This thread piqued my interest. So I began looking at the Titor story, and now, just before bedtime I am a bit tripped out.

This patent, filed in 2004
www.freepatentsonline.com... for a "Method of Gravity Distortion and Time Displacement".
Exact copies of images from its schematic diagrams were published three years prior
johntitor.strategicbrains.com... by Titor when asked to cite proof of his "time travel" method.

Those whom are familiar with Titor must know of this, so is this not seen as proof that may be disputed only by the remote possibility that Titor was privy to the authoring physicist's papers?


Secondly, Titor it seemed to me suggests that Russia succeeded in destroying the"enemy" in US cities, presumably the government and as stated AFE.
However, he states that the attack "will not be a surprise."
I would assume, then, that the Gov leaders and elite whom are under attack would be the first to flee, and the most capable of fleeing, the impending line of fire. So how is it they are "destroyed"?

originally posted by: VegHead
I'm sorry.

I had to stop reading the instant I saw that Popular Mechanics cover from 2036, which included the headline:
"E-Books the New Way to Read"

Wow.

You, can continue reading, then, because you misunderstood. Titor cited a 2001 popular Mechanics. You must have erroneously assumed that he claimed the magazine was from 2036.

Wow.

The John Titor story is awesome, he is the only author I know of that described the post 9/11 world before 9/11.

"Have you considered that your society might be better off if half of you were dead?"

"Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that."

"None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"

"Care to share with me how you solved the overheating problem on your space plane?"

"I believe they [China] are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It should not surprise you if they do that soon."

"The President or ‘leader’ in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base."

"The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong."

"When the day comes for my “prediction” to be realized it will either happen or not. If it does happen, then your ability to judge your environment is crippled by your acceptance of me as a “knower of all things” and gifted with the ability to tell the future. If I am wrong, then everything I have said that might possibly have made you think about your world in a different way is suddenly discredited. I do not want either.

Although I do have personal reasons for being here and speaking with you, the most I could hope for is that you recognize the possibility of time travel as a reality. You are able to change your worldline for better or worse just as I am."

Awesome story

a reply to: SLAYER69
Slayer, is that a coyote on your head or a wolf?...
Arnt we in the infamous Dreams and predictions forum?
with a 99% failure rate?
And who wouldnt want an elaborate story to promote a book..
Who is john Galt? is another fictitious story that comes to mind
..
but really.. wolf or a coyote?..