ISIS video appears to show beheading of US reporter Steven Sotloff

First and foremost, I am appalled by these videos. My deepest sympathies to those who are affected by these actions. But I am equally appalled at all the calls for war, including many calls to destroy the entire middle east. Something foul is a foot with these beheadings. History has shown the death of one can be used as a martyr, why would isis create these inflammatory videos? They are being used to create a specific response from us, the masses. Now is a time for grieving and understanding, not war mongering.

One tactical nuke on Isis' main city in Syria where they set up their governing body for their caliphate.
Nobody that is worth anything is left alive there, ISIS either mass murdered them, their heads are on display in the city square or they fled long ago.
Obama can get back to the golf course without missing a beat.
Putin opened the can of worms with nuke threats, it would send a message of the will to retaliate if he used any.
Two birds one stone.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So was that anti obama speech he gave scripted or was that his own speech?
Flame away at this but he did not speak like some one about to get his head cut off for no reason.
He spoke as if what was happening was proving his point of what he just said. Maybe he had just accepted his fate at that point but it still came off veerrry strange to me.
Not even a i love you to your family that will be mourning you?
His last words were basically # obama, this is your fault.

He was probably told "Say what we tell you or you'll suffer way worse than having your head cut off". Who knows the reason, but all the people beheaded said a scripted message.

Something scared these guys enough to say what they were told to say.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So was that anti obama speech he gave scripted or was that his own speech?
Flame away at this but he did not speak like some one about to get his head cut off for no reason.
He spoke as if what was happening was proving his point of what he just said. Maybe he had just accepted his fate at that point but it still came off veerrry strange to me.
Not even a i love you to your family that will be mourning you?
His last words were basically # obama, this is your fault.

Maybe he said something to his family, but it was edited out? IS probably doesn't care about his family getting a goodbye.

I've seen the "full-lenght" video now.... I would say it's fake... he cuts his neck like 3-4 times and no blood...
~once you cut the carotid artery, there would be blood squirting everywhere, even on the camera lens.

**fake video IMHO.

~Steven is reading what he is supposed to say
~Steven appears inappropriately calm and relaxed
~There is no actual footage of cutting the head off
~There is no visible blood during the first few cuts caught on the camera
~The killer is apparently british or is british-raised or is just very good at speaking english
~Everything above is the same as in the Foley's video

+the wind caught my attention, it's strange and blowing all the time

the very last image (showing the head on top of the body) is very well done though.

originally posted by: live2beknown
This is very sad..And you ignorant fks..thought the first one was fake..well I just watched the video and let me say, it wasn't fake! Here's link for the people who haven't seen it yet. I really hope the Special Forces get together and take these disgusting animals out.

Steven Sotloff Beheading

Have you ever seen someone get their throat slit? Unfortunately I have and I can tell you that the moment a knife slits a human neck blood goes everywhere. It is NOT a pretty site. The one thing that I have seen missing from BOTH videos is ANY blood as the knife is dragged back and forth across the necks of these men. One theory, is that the videos are old, and that these men were in fact killed, the heads cut off and then placed on the bodies. That is the theroy I will stand behind, until I have further evidence, in the form of an UNEDITED/UNCUT video. I am not a gore hound by any means, but I am the kind of person that needs PROOF. Like I said, why were the videos of past beheadings broadcasts, and shown to all?

a reply to: TinfoilTP

So glad you are able to know who is worth anything, and launching a nuke into the powder keg that is the ME is a fantastic idea, wonder why it hasn't happened yet.
/sarcasm

originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: Swills

20% of Muslims are the extremists wanna kill everyone kind. 20% is the medium number too.

20% of Muslims agree with Isis.

Well Muslims number 1.6 billion strong...

20% of 1.6 billion is 320 million... That's 3 million more then the ENTIRE population of the United States.... 317 million.

Ya that's not a number to be concerned about or anything...

I reckon if your looking for a good investment idea take a look at te amunition companies.. Their gonna be busy supplying the only answer to this problem I can see..

Please provide a source to the 20% figure you have given.

a reply to: Necrose

Great point..all that wind, no sand flying through the air though..

a reply to: OptimusCrime

My guess threats against their family.

Most men would rather die themselves then have something happen to their families. I'm pretty sure all hope of survival was gone a long time ago anyhow.

-SAP-

originally posted by: LukeDAP

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So was that anti obama speech he gave scripted or was that his own speech?
Flame away at this but he did not speak like some one about to get his head cut off for no reason.
He spoke as if what was happening was proving his point of what he just said. Maybe he had just accepted his fate at that point but it still came off veerrry strange to me.
Not even a i love you to your family that will be mourning you?
His last words were basically # obama, this is your fault.

Maybe he said something to his family, but it was edited out? IS probably doesn't care about his family getting a goodbye.

They sure cared enough to let Foley send a goodbye email to his family....

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: TinfoilTP

So glad you are able to know who anything, and launching a nuke into the powder keg that is the ME is a fantastic idea, wonder why it hasn't happened yet.
/sarcasm

Putin let the genie out of the bottle, go blame him.
Blame ISIS too while you are at it, it's not hard just go watch the video.

ISIS released a video Tuesday of the beheading of U.S. journalist Steven Sotloff, formerly of Time magazine. The authenticity of the video, which took an unusually long time to reach ISIS forums, often the first sources for such videos, has yet to be confirmed. The video was titled “A second message to America,” and again started with footage of oratory from U.S. President Barack Obama, before cutting to a scripted anti-US monologue delivered by an emotionless Sotloff, draped in orange clothing (reminiscent of Guantanamo inmates) and on his knees in another arid hilltop landscape beside his executioner. It appears from chatter on ISIS forums that the initial video release was an unintentional leak from within ISIS circles. An ISIS-affiliated twitter account (now suspended) published the video ahead of the prescribed time. Another ISIS-affiliated account, @Khattabyaz pulled them up on their error, but at that point it was too late, and the video was in circulation. The group then apologised to its followers for the lack of discipline in a text missive on Justpaste, saying: “A clarification about the mistake was made by “Uyun al-Ummah” account, that has published the video before the official time.

what?

www.vocativ.com...#!bOE4x7

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: LukeDAP

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So was that anti obama speech he gave scripted or was that his own speech?
Flame away at this but he did not speak like some one about to get his head cut off for no reason.
He spoke as if what was happening was proving his point of what he just said. Maybe he had just accepted his fate at that point but it still came off veerrry strange to me.
Not even a i love you to your family that will be mourning you?
His last words were basically # obama, this is your fault.

Maybe he said something to his family, but it was edited out? IS probably doesn't care about his family getting a goodbye.

They sure cared enough to let Foley send a goodbye email to his family....

If they have people in the U.S., that's the stupidest thing he could have done and could lead the group right to their doorstep. I wouldn't be surprised if they already had these guys addresses and family members info and used that to scare the #$#% out of them into saying what they were told to say.

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: thesmokingman
I see they have appeared to "upgrade" their choice of knife. I am not buying this one either...

And it begins.... Are you going to be the first member on here to say its fake?

If so what will it take to prove what barbarians these guys are, front row seat at the next decapitation?

I sure will....Just like the Foley one was fake. Not buying anything they try and sell me.

Who's trying to sell you anything? So the ISIS twitter feed belongs to CIA? The chaps not been killed today, just was another actor to get the US into a conflict it's already participating in already?

No need to answer these questions, I spent to much time with the neysayers on the James Foley threads, it's a proven waste of time.

You DO realize that EXPERTS have even came out and said that the Foley video could not be real right? Perhaps YOU are the neysayer?

originally posted by: thesmokingman
a reply to: Necrose

Great point..all that wind, no sand flying through the air though..

exactly, but... you know, there is no sand when you make videos like this
pbs.twimg.com...
ha-ha

originally posted by: thesmokingman
They sure cared enough to let Foley send a goodbye email to his family....

I actually was not aware of that, thanks for the info.

And about this... meh, I'm not going to try to understand how these people think...

originally posted by: Badgered1
I would have thought that those Muslims who cry about Islam being a religion of peace would have done something about ISIS besmirching the name of their religion.
They won't. They never do.

You mean these Muslims?

Iraq Sunni tribes take up arms against jihadists

Do these guys not understand that these videos only inspire Americans to SUPPORT the use of the most powerful armed forces on the planet against them? Surely they know by now that we are not scared of this pitiful cowardly murdering of humans? If anything it makes us push our leaders to destroy them which by the way is a fairly easy task for the US military.

They obviously WANT us to attack them as I know they cannot be that stupid to think this would actually hold our hand and make us back off? If so they are truly unintelligent miscreants.

So why do they want us to attack them?

reply to: minusinfinity

" If you see a tanned skin person please call the local law enforcement at '1 (888) for real'. "

Yeah, not a solution. .. that mentality is part of Americans problem...Im half MeXican and have tan skin and I'm an American...so who you going to call and what have I done wrong?

The issues over there are complex and tangled and we are deeply involved..who knows what would actually work long term.

Watching MSNBC and Obama departing now, maybe if other countries help with a plan we can come up with something that will work. ..America on it's own just isn't going to cut it...whether walking away compleTely or not