My trip to Ferguson & Guilt by association...

Hello All, Back on the 14th of Aug I as like many others participated in our site owners thread about the un-rest in Ferguson MS. I and my sons, along with several "friends" went to participate in the protest and support our fellow citizens against how they were being treated. I would love to report all was "wonderful & great". It was not. I would like to post all the pics I took. I cannot. I would like to report all I meet and came in contact with supported me & mine in supporting them....they did not.

I /we for the most part were meet with the most open racism I have ever seen. Not just from the black folks, but the white ones as well. We were told our in very open way" leave we don't need you here" we dont like the white folks that's already here, what makes you think your any different" It was sobering to say the least. The white folks we meet were just as nasty and racist. Were actually denied service in a fine establishment in Po Dunk Kentucky....because we were going to Ferguson. Shameful is what it was.

The real problems and trouble began on our re-turn trip home. In a small place in Kentucky we were pulled over by local police dept. I'm not worried about any of it as Ive not done anything wrong nor broke any laws. As a matter of fact I was sleeping at the time of the stop. Did not sleep very long. The person we were with and the owner of the Suv we were driving, when asked if he had any drugs or firearms in the vehicle told them he did have a firearm within the vehicle.....wow. Next thing you know. we are all, taken from car, temp cuffs applied and sat on the side of the street. Ive never seen a vehicle get searched as well as this one.

They took each cell phone away, Mine had tons of pics & video from Ferguson. Driver was arrested for an unlicensed gun in that state. Vehicle was impounded, my cell phone, laptop, and digi camera all confiscated. I managed to get my property returned to me on the 29th.... phone was cleared out total. I have yet to get my laptop to turn on...digi camera cleared as well...memory card...just gone. I was told at the stop that day, We dont like your type in our town.. so your as guilty as the driver who's being arrested, except we were'nt arrested. Just got our property taken and damaged. I so freaking hate Kentucky now..not all of it..just the backward asrse town this went down in.

What I learned...racism is alive & well and growing like damn weeds out of controll in the garden....and like how the weeds choke out the good stuff..racism is choking out America. I mean damn, the world hates us for our Governments actions..as we fight amongst ourselves. Until we can unite in a consise group of citizens..no matter the color. Our Government will win each and every time. Unless we unite as ONE we will never,ever lift them thumb of oppression our Government lays down. Divide & Conquer it's worked for thousands of years and it's alive & kicking like never before.

I still support the folks in Ferguson, whether they want me too or not. I did meet many wonderful people..black & white. I saw their fear, i saw their concern. Not to belittle any statement Ive made here, but that traffic stop on the way home was nothing more than blatant racism. white on white racism. Those officers were incensed we went to Ferguson, all the trouble began after that fact was laid out the one officer that stopped us. I am disgusted at it all. I actually heard one officer tell another one that they had a car load of "n----r" "lovers". Yea, it's 2014 folks not 1960. Some day, some day folks we'll lay all this to rest...some day.

a reply to: openyourmind1262

I guess you live in a place where its only white people there. This is nothing new to those of us that have lived around racism from all sides.

Next time a cop stops you at something like that you need to just lie and say you were at a family reunion or anything else. IMO letting them know that was quite dumb. You don't want to give them any reason at all to do what they did. The tribal mentality is strong in any place where racism is rampant because those two things go hand in hand.

Live and learn.

I don't think so.....the great race war is coming.....and its coming to America.....
I imagine the Russians will support one side or the other too......

You were duped. Kentucky does not require that firearms be licensed. I get stopped all the time with my handgun on me and never get hassled. One officer did unsnap his holster once and took possession of my gun until he could "figure out if I was allowed to have it" so I showed him my CCDW permit. He didn't like it. So I reminded him that only a judge could strip me of my firearm. He unloaded it threw I mean actually threw the gun in the back floorboard handed me the magazine and left mumbling about peckerwoods . What a douche. Ky police run the spectrum from horrible to honest. State troopers TEND to be better than locals.

a reply to: stirling

I don't think so.....the great race war is coming.....and its coming to America.....

You know, even though I've lived around it all my whole life, I used to laugh and think the notion silly when people would talk about a race war. I mean, you hear all the time about how we have supposedly transcended such ignorant backwards notions as a race of people.

However the past few years have changed my mind about the possibility of it. The whole tribal mentality is getting worse and worse with each passing year not better.

a reply to: openyourmind1262

It will never be laid to rest. There will always be those that hate for the sake of hating.

I grew up in Ferguson,and I left in '01. Never went back. I saw gang wars, drugs, and dog fighting the whole time. Now here it what I observed while living there. Those people that live in that area have no issue with crime,so long as they benefit from it. Let me explain.... I saw kids that my sons had grown up with instead of being in school like they should have been,were out walking up and down the street in front of their homes waiting on 'contacts' to show up to buy drugs. It was quite plain and out in the open. If the rest of us could see it,there is no way the parents didn't see their kid out there and what he was doing. But it was known that the kid gave over a certain amount of the money to the parents,so they said nothing.

We had a woman and her baby killed on our street,the baby was thrown out of a moving car into the creek since it had no mother now and hadn't had a father,according to the killer. We had a gang war next door to our house that ended the life of one young guy that was just recovering from cancer,he was beaten to death with a baseball bat.
I ended up calling the police for a woman whose uncle had beaten her friend into unconsciousness because the uncle was drunk.

I could go on and on,it had got to the point we couldn't get the St.Louis County Police to show up anymore there.
But the parents took the money the kids earned from the drugs and the dog fighting with no problem. So what does that teach these kids?

In the mean time I worked with many blacks at my jobs in that area and never had any issues with them, except for the one woman.She told me that it wasn't an issue for her to leave her child with Micheal Jackson.(This was when the molestation case was going on) With the money you would get from that,are you kidding? That she would simply send her kid for mental help after it was over with. But the money was too good to pass on. I finally told her that she was a piss poor excuse for a mother if she felt that way.

I guess my point to this is, I'll wait to see all the facts that come in on this first before I 'rush' to judgement. I can't count how many times I've heard parents say about how 'innocent' they're kid was and didn't deserve whatever,only to find out afterward that the kid had been in the middle of committing a crime. That area is a very bad neighborhood,I don't care what others say,they have not walked down those streets at night to know. I've had the people there try to run me off the road and all kinds of things.

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: stirling

I don't think so.....the great race war is coming.....and its coming to America.....

You know, even though I've lived around it all my whole life, I used to laugh and think the notion silly when people would talk about a race war. I mean, you hear all the time about how we have supposedly transcended such ignorant backwards notions as a race of people.

However the past few years have changed my mind about the possibility of it. The whole tribal mentality is getting worse and worse with each passing year not better.

Did the original hatred in the original race wars go away? I mean Racist blacks and racist whites are both the same.

There is no way it is getting worse though, things are maybe getting more EVEN not worse, I mean got back a couple of hundred years, that was a race war and one side lost badly.

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: stirling

I don't think so.....the great race war is coming.....and its coming to America.....

You know, even though I've lived around it all my whole life, I used to laugh and think the notion silly when people would talk about a race war. I mean, you hear all the time about how we have supposedly transcended such ignorant backwards notions as a race of people.

However the past few years have changed my mind about the possibility of it. The whole tribal mentality is getting worse and worse with each passing year not better.

Did the original hatred in the original race wars go away? I mean Racist blacks and racist whites are both the same.

There is no way it is getting worse though, things are maybe getting more EVEN not worse, I mean got back a couple of hundred years, that was a race war and one side lost badly.

What, specifically, are you talking about?

a reply to: Taggart

I mean Racist blacks and racist whites are both the same.

Society treats racist whites and racist blacks very differently.

A racist white person can't be openly racist without facing criticism from society as being ignorant and backwards. A racist black person gets a pass on it the vast majority of the time with nobody saying anything about it. Like its almost expected.

There is no way it is getting worse though, things are maybe getting more EVEN not worse, I mean got back a couple of hundred years, that was a race war and one side lost badly.

If you're referring to the American Civil war there were whites and blacks (yes there were many blacks that fought for the Confederacy.) on both sides of that conflict. Hard to call it one race versus the other when all sides are fighting and killing each other.

a reply to: Cancerwarrior

No not the american civil war, just Slavery in general.
I don't remember the part of History where whites were shackled and sold off to the highest black bidder.

originally posted by: Taggart
a reply to: Cancerwarrior

No not the american civil war, just Slavery in general.
I don't remember the part of History where whites were shackled and sold off to the highest black bidder.

You're just making yourself look stupid now. There were plenty of whites used as slaves. I have to start my day now but I'll give you examples when I get back.

The media has been fomenting division amongst Americans (all Americans) for some time.

That campaign is threatening to bear a lot of fruit. Hopefully people will remember its not about skin color, but about the damn government pitting us against each other so we don't focus on them.

To the OP: Bet you aren't planning to go back. Don't really understand what possessed you to go there in the first place. The natives are pissed and the authorities are hostile.

Thank you for sharing, especially taking the time to do your own investigation of the situation.

It seems there's a deep divide in the area due to racial majority shifts and more from reports such as "Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities"-here with the officer's old PD. Unfortunately it would be a ripe place for starting civil issues for agenda reasons.


As you quoted-

They took each cell phone away, Mine had tons of pics & video from Ferguson. Driver was arrested for an unlicensed gun in that state. Vehicle was impounded, my cell phone, laptop, and digi camera all confiscated. I managed to get my property returned to me on the 29th.... phone was cleared out total.

Wonder if you can bring legal recourse for that?
Sign of the times I guess.

On a brighter note I'm happy to hear you've met many decent people there.

a reply to: openyourmind1262

Greetings- I'd share with You, the "other Me" that You use this thread as "closure" If You don't, You'll get sullied on the whole "fighting the good fight". I was a beat cop in a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic community that is now well known due to the many "rap artists" that come from this community. It seemed every call I'd have to make up for the one prior, in which I had no connection, if You 'take' it ALL in, You'll rot inside.

You cannot "change" the ones that are set on "division" and it is much easier to 'control the herd' when the many cows are broken off into separate groups i.e. much easier controlling 5 herds of 50 than 1 herd of 250, You(rs) messed with the numbers, You being there, You were "resonating" with LOVE, "they" weren't. (Laws of Attraction)

Now, please don't misconstrue, there isn't any "hate" or they are doing it "wrong", it is just "Y'all don't resonate with that".. You'll not only get "good juice" for not being a "hater" but isn't being "nonjudgmental" instrumental in "Opening One's mind"?

Thanks for trying but "Haters gonna hate"

namaste

a reply to: Taggart

No not the american civil war, just Slavery in general.
I don't remember the part of History where whites were shackled and sold off to the highest black bidder.

You mean sold to the highest white bidder after they had been captured and sold by a black man first?

You would do well to read more history. You would see that slavery has been around as long as there has been recorded history. Does not matter what form it takes.

For example take 1840 America. You had black slaves in the agrarian south and you had "wage slaves" that lived mostly in the Northern industrial cities. These immigrants were paid next to nothing. Just barely enough to have a roof over their heads and a meal or two a day living in total squalor and filth. Contrast that with the Antebellum South where slaves were actually taken care quite often since they were considered property. Just like it would be stupid to mistreat a prize horse.

Slavery in all forms has been around for a very long time. Good for you that you live in a time when it does'nt apply to your skin color anymore.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: Taggart
a reply to: Cancerwarrior

No not the american civil war, just Slavery in general.
I don't remember the part of History where whites were shackled and sold off to the highest black bidder.

You're just making yourself look stupid now. There were plenty of whites used as slaves. I have to start my day now but I'll give you examples when I get back.

Reading comprehension? we are talking race right?
Where did I say there were no white slaves?

I said I
"I don't remember the part of History where whites were shackled and sold off to the highest black bidder."

I look forward to your links.

Yea I'm a novice when it comes to dealing with racism. I was borm & raised in Greensboro N.C.... Home of the International Cival Rights Museuma....Home of the KKK/Nazi & Communist Workers Party shoot out of 1979.....Good documentary on that called...88 seconds in Greensboro. I went to a high school that was about 80/20 ratio..whites being the 20%. Trust me. I know my way around racism . I fully expected to encounter it on my trip..I did not however expect to be harrased by the police for my views... NOT THE POLICE OF FERGUSON....

I know haters gonna hate and supporters are gonna support. But this divide is what is used against US the most. As said prior...divide & conqure..or in the present state divide & controll. I can't answer each post. But so far there's no need to say things like the "natives are getting restless" . There people. just people. And no I will continue in my search to lay the racism in ME to rest. I refuse to let the bad apple spoil my entire barrell. I can't change everybody..only myself. It's written down for us folks for all to see it starts out with " We the people.....never states anywhere about the color of your skin. And at last look...we are all people.We the People need to fight the establishment...not each other. As long as we do fight amongst ourselves, the establishment has no worries what so ever.reply to: Cancerwarrior

As it pertains to the United States, I also welcome "World Wide Views" even if they differ from Me, a "common passerby"..

Could We all agree that if those who "imported their work force" had done the work themselves We wouldn't be having this quorum? I'd venture further and opine that instead of cotton, if they had planted cannabis that they 'may' even of had "volunteers"? They either wanted more $$ or were too lazy to do the work themselves.

Because We are currently typing about 'Merica let Us not forget about the Chinese who built the railroad along with the Irish.. What is/was the difference? One group came to make a fortune in the golden paved streets and one was minding their own business.

If one looks at the situation like this, then the Black American has "only" had 400 years to have left what they've "known" for 1,000s of years, and now not only assimilate but thrive.. Yeah? Good Luck.

How is "whitey" doing over in J'Salem? How long have they been at it? The crap thing is that the SLAVERY continues to this day. It is now under the auspices of the $3B/yr. business known as "Prison Industries" "They" have to do something because most of the Black-Urban Male who was incarcerated during the "Crack Wars" are just now getting released from PRISON while the sub-Urban Male has been off of Probation for 15 years for using the same drug..

But what do I know?

Lack of diversity is a problem in many places.

I typed this before but, keep in mind I'm the most albino multiracial woman you have ever met. When I moved where I lived about 7 yrs ago, elderly people would stop me in the grocery store to tell me I'm too pretty to have black babies. You should have seen their faces when I said I'm a black baby too! I also worked a job where I was specifically told that some of the elderly that come in are racist and I don't need to put up with it.

This area has a University so it is making great strides in diversity equity and inclusion. But there are people in this world that never leave their town! They never see anything but what they know and they don't always care to change. I'm 3 hrs from DC and there are people here that not only have never been, their parents have never been, their Grandparents have never been... how do you just not go and see the DC monument?! The museums?!

I've never had racism that was cruel, I am very lucky. My friends and I think its part my personality and part my skin tone. On a good day I actually find stupidity funny. That means i was able to talk to elderly and show them they were wrong with many things they thought they knew. I didn't have to put up with any racism because most of those wonderful people liked me before they knew they shouldn't.

I only wish everyone was that lucky. At playgrounds children don't care about race or religion until they are taught to care. So its the adults that's the issue. I'm sure teaching children about it in school is a step in the right direction, I'm just not certain how well its working.

S&F for the OP. THANKS for this.


THESE are the threads I come to ATS for. First hand accounts from individuals on the ground where news is breaking, or somewhere relevant to what is going on right now.

Thank you OP.