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The West has been given support, just like the Russian have, no surprise for me, but the West exaggerated about an invasion.
And like I said several times before (see link), the Kremlin had drawn the line at Ukraine becoming a Western-puppet state...so the West knew it, and still they tried to make the Ukraine their puppet state...
So who`s responsible for the war, Russia or the West ?
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001
The West was warned about making the Ukraine a Western puppet-state by meddling with it, that`s the fact I talk about. All the facts are there, and have been discussed and presented to you lots of times.
Good luck with finding discussion partners !
Powers in Kiev, including Yanukovich, could have OPENLY come to an agreement with Kremlin, EU and NATO...........that
Ukraine would prefer to join the EU over the Customs Union
Ukraine WOULD NEVER join the NATO alliance and remain Non-aligned ALWAYS
This could have solved so many issues and avoided the civil war and resulting suffering of the peoples.
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001
The West was warned about making the Ukraine a Western puppet-state by meddling with it, that`s the fact I talk about. All the facts are there, and have been discussed and presented to you lots of times.
Good luck with finding discussion partners !
Who warned "the West" and what gives him the right to determine Ukraine's destiny? If you cannot answer that, there is no possibility of you understanding the situation.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001
That wasn`t a rant, it was just stating facts.
As I have said many times before, and also proved, the citizens of the Ukraine wanted to be independent in majority.
The west is the bully in this situation by making a coup, no matter how much propaganda you throw at it to make it look like different, Russia wans`t behind the overthrow of the government, now were they ?
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001
That wasn`t a rant, it was just stating facts.
As I have said many times before, and also proved, the citizens of the Ukraine wanted to be independent in majority.
The west is the bully in this situation by making a coup, no matter how much propaganda you throw at it to make it look like different, Russia wans`t behind the overthrow of the government, now were they ?
What universe do you live in? The government fell because the people objected to Russia's puppet over-riding their democratic will. The citizens of Ukraine wish to be independent; Russia will not allow that! That is why they invaded Crimea, and are now backing the Fascists in Donetsk. Putin is afraid to allow Ukraine to do what it will.
Edit to add: You still haven't answered the question. What gives Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin the right to tell other nations what they can or cannot do?
Ukraine's been hijacked by a foreign agency. Retreat is what you do when your country has had it's democratically elected government overthrown by an outside power (USA), you retreat to where you can get arms to fight back.
originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001
All I`m saying, Russia is actually putting some kind of stop the crap US/EU have been pulling.
But the EU and US have no right to tell other countries what they can and cannot do!
Are you finally waking up...?
Born again,no your right Russia wasn't behind the other throw of the last government
Also a point worth mentioning is if Russia has realy invaded Ukraine they would have won a long time ago easily
I couldn`t agree more, most Western Europeans are aware of those facts. They are sick of their own governments too for doing all this crap and than actually trying to make it look they are doing something good.
There are some who will try to make it look like that is not the case, and no matter how many facts they are getting presented, they still seem to be able to convince themselves it`s not the case.