Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker

a reply to: caterpillage

Congratulations, you just discovered what is wrong with our dysfunctional government.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
Nothing to see here folks, global warming is all a sc. .. ....

WHOOOOPS!!

No.. that just makes you a fool..

Climate is a trend over long periods of time.... weather is a random thing that changes and fluctuates.. your chart shows a small snapshot ... in the much larger picture, our planet.. our one home, is in fact warming up ...

Climate is something that can't just be looked at at a glance.. and even 10-15 years is a glance...

The best illustration I've seen is owed to Neil

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Absolutely false. The IPCC of course takes into consideration solar irradiance, which follows ~ 11 year cycles. This in no way accounts for the trends we see in warming and cooling in full. The sun is of course a factor, but it can't be the whole picture.



Guess where this picture comes from?

IPCC

a reply to: miniatus

So let me get this right. The thread is about how the ice seems to have grown from 2012 to 2014. A two year time frame. I provide a larger context, to show the fallacy. You're going to call me a fool for expanding the timeline.

Is that correct? You're serious? That's what you got? Ridiculous.



This is what your man, Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson has to say on fools like you:



Enjoy!

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: caterpillage

Congratulations, you just discovered what is wrong with our dysfunctional government.

So many things are going wrong with our government. I fear things may be to a point where it is unrecoverable. So sad.

a reply to: xuenchen

" Can a Nobel Prize be revoked?

Like Obama's Peace Prize?

I believe it should be revoked.

Peace

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: xuenchen

Looks like they will have to find some new lie so they can scam money from the gullible people out there.

Usually they try taking photographs of the sea ice in December and say that the ice has retreated in certain areas while completing ignoring the fact that ice has advanced in other areas. Or that the time of actual maximum ice cover is in March and not in Winter.

How dare the earth do its own thing. We are the mighty man and we want global warming.

The ice is part of a natural cycle that has been going on for the last 5000 years.

The tree huggers knew this when they started the global warming scare.

That is why they push it so hard because they know it will end with the natural cycle and it will start getting colder.

This is also why they changed from calling it global warming to climate change.

This allows them to call anything that happens climate change when nothing manmade is really happening.

a reply to: xuenchen

Oh are we doing this thing again?


Hey look it goes up a bit then down a bit then up a bit then down a bit... and still the trend is declining sea ice. Sorry for those of you who somehow think this says anything against AGW, but you're wrong. Again.

p.s. I have no reason to defend him, but for the sake of your claim, please link where Al Gore said the Arctic would be ice free.

a reply to: Greven

story and video


video;
Al Gore Warns Polar Ice May Be Gone in Five Years
www.youtube.com...

Assuming you can trust NASA here is the actual data:


NASA link

a reply to: xuenchen

On ATS we are meant to deny ingorance. So but this thread smells of it.. Do a little research and you will see that the ice is declining in general. However that does not mean every year there will be less ice. You look at general trends..

a reply to: pl3bscheese
Excellent clip. In particular the two points the skeptics just don't get:

1. Scientists love to prove each other wrong or are better than their peers.
2. All research worldwide (including competing groups) in different disciplines is pointing to on overall long term trend of warming.

DUH!

But let's be honest here. The anti GW agenda has nothing to do with facts. Charts and numbers are there to be used for cherry picking data to fool the unwary. Although I find it rather ironic that these so called "proof of GW conspiracy facts" are sourced from organizations that they deride as being part of that conspiracy! How ironic is that!

Northern sea ice anomaly:



Yes, a distinct downward trend. There is no denying the sea ice in the northern hemisphere is markedly less than in prior years.

What's that?

You say the earth has two hemispheres?

Well golly gee, what is happening to sea ice in that other hemisphere?



You mean to say that there appears to be a distinct upward trend? Say it ain't so...

What does that mean for the entire globe then?



Don't tell me...

It's fluctuating within a standard range?

Nah, you've got to be mistaken.

Those charts have to be wrong. Oh, wait, they're from Cryosphere Today? hmmmm...

a reply to: xuenchen

You just debunked the claim that Al Gore said the Arctic would be ice free in 5 years.

originally posted by: miniatus
Denial to me is just excusing commercialism ... there cannot be any doubt we are really having a serious impact on this planet... so why shouldn't we try to limit it? .. people seem to love the idea of us not having an impact and things not being as bad as it might seem to be.. lets just say that's true.. we should still be trying to limit our impact because this is our only home ... we're a long ways away from being able to leave earth... if we're not careful we could be the next big extinction ...

I don't disagree. Be responsible, but not stupid. Some over-reacting policies could be just as detrimental, ie, CFLs. That's one of the most bone-headed moves this agenda has foisted upon us. Aside from the dangers of more ultraviolet and blue light emitted by CFLs, polluting our planet with more mercury cannot be a good thing. CFLs are not designed for the normal usage cycles most people require of bulbs (ie. short term usage cycling on and off), so they expire more quickly than the incandescent bulbs they replaced, adding to our landfills. This just wasn't well thought out before it was implemented.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Comparing the ice volumes between the Arctic and the Antarctic is silly to begin with but you're adding to the silliness by ignoring the complexities of both, such as the West Antarctic losing ice volume rapidly while the East Antarctic is gaining moderately.

Ice volume and temperature at each pole is a major contributing factor to completely different aspects of earth's climate. Different ocean current patterns, different wind patterns, different affects on rain and snow fall amounts in completely different areas of the world.

It's like saying that it doesn't matter if your toes are gushing blood because all your fingers are intact well except that growing cut on your left pinky finger... but it's okay you still have 9 more fingers!

a reply to: Kali74

Except that sea ice is sea ice, and if sea ice is being lost one place while growing elsewhere the you have roughly the same amount of sea ice you began with.


I'm not saying we aren't harming our planet, in fact I've been pretty vocal about the messes we've made. I just don't think my suv is doing the same amount of damage that BP, Exxon, and TEPCO have and contnue to do.

Whatever happens, no harm in having a little extra food, water, blankets, toilet paper, coffee, dried milk, some extra form of heating, just in case of snow, ice storm, flash flood, earthquake, meteor strike, sink hole, forest fire, sandstorm, enemy attack, alien attack, tsunami, pole reverse, aircraft crash, railroad crash, auto crash, cow stampede, horse stampede, zombie attack, good lord, did I type all that?

SHHHHHHHHHhh!
This might damage the Global Warming money scheme. Just pretend like it's end days and that climate change is HAPPENING!!!!!!! IEEEEE!!
They'll have some BS answer as to why. Cannot wait to hear it, if they respond at all.