You Are President of the United States

Mokuhadzushi....

Did you even Read the initial post?

I present a hypothetical situation and propose a question... cut and dry.

Stop Highjacking my thread with your spin and garbage that has nothing to do with my thread. This is not the first time I have seen you do this.

Every time you post on ATS you drop accusation with no proof to forward your Anti-American agenda.

-Reason

Originally posted by REASON
I present a hypothetical situation and propose a question... cut and dry.

Stop Highjacking my thread with your spin and garbage that has nothing to do with my thread. This is not the first time I have seen you do this.

I answered your question, cut and dry. The answer is my seven-point plan. If you disagree, you are free to voice your opinion. But starting a personal diatribe like the following :

Every time you post on ATS you drop accusation with no proof to forward your Anti-American agenda.

is childish, and purposefully misleading.

Originally posted by thirddensity
Hi Reason.

My strategy would depend on who nuked us in the first place. Many people here have seemed to assume that is was muslims, but sorry, I'll deny ignorance here and wait to see who specifically set the nuke off.

China? N. Korea? Iran? Disgruntled Americans? Russia? France? Australia?

Strategicaly, this is of huge importance. Answer this and I'll write you a detailed repsonse on what I would do.

thats the thing Thirddensity, You are President of the United States and all this has just fallen on you lap. Naming a exact country would be giving to much information and easy answer would be....

France did it...... Nuk them.
Saudi Arabia did it.......Nuk them.
(place country of choice) did it...... Nuk them.

I am more interested in what you would do if this happened and you didn't know who did it at first.

My purpose of this thread is to make people think a little bit and try to come up with possible solutions.

We have seen quite a bit of critisizm on ATS of Bush and his Presidency.
It is easy to critisize but it is quite a whole other thing to brainstorm solutions.

I am happy with many of the responses here but some are a liitle odd and "unrealistic".

P.S.: If you can't think of anything lets give you a scenario that ...umm..... underground nazi movement that has spread across the world that is attempting to get the superpowers against each other to destroy each other...... like in the movie ..."Sum of all Fears"......great movie.

-Reason

My first action is to send in a rescue team to help all survivors of the incident, and I would make a press conference in asking forall nations to help in obtaining the masterminds behind the situation. Using security agencies, I would try to track down who ordered the attack, and send military force to quickly strike them down, primarily air strikes.

What would I do if I were president and the US got nuked? Me Specifically?

First of all I'd evacuate the areas affected, seal them up so they can be used again in a million years. Then I'd want to find out who did it and....punish them. I wouldn't level their country or "turn it into a parking lot" because I see that as a primitive, unthinking, ape-like response. My response would depend on the "who", "why", and "where".

Next I'd make sure the people who failed to stop the attack (intelligence, law enforcment agencies) lost their jobs and the whole system was scrapped.

At this point I would start thinking about how I could use this incident to achieve my...ideals. Using the...heh..."political captial" I gained from the attack, I'd get the angry, foaming at the mouth rabble to give me more power. I'd create something like the patriot act and patriot act II, but instead designed to effectively create a dictatorship. I'd then use my power to slowly begin my agenda of one world government under ME!

By the time the sheep realize what's going on, it would be too late. I'd have focused their attention on the big bad enemy and used their mindless hatred as a stepping stone to power.

Well, you asked....

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi

I answered your question, cut and dry. The answer is my seven-point plan....

Your seven points plan would be accepted for about 5 min in which then, as ShadowXIX stated, you would be linched by the American public.

You would have failed as President in securing the homeland and protecting the American people.

Now if you would be interested in posting a realistic solution to my hypothetical situation I would appretiate it.

Hey Moku..... what country are you from? If it makes it easier for you, you can raplace my original post with changes. Instead of the United states, replace it with your own country or any other country you would like.

-Reason

Edit: change name.

[edit on 6-12-2004 by REASON]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Seven-point-plan :


A) Sign the ICC treaty.
B) Forward Bush, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, etc... to the ICC
C) Apologize to the Iraqis, Iranians, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Latin Americans for the war crimes commited.
D) Forward Kissinger etc... to the ICC
E) Force Israel to accept the returning of the 800.000 (now probably over 2million) palestinians driven from their homeland and robbed of their belongings by jewish terrorists of the haganah, irgun, and the stern gang
F) Build a world-wide coalition for peace and sustainable developement
G) bathe in the glory of the golden age

Benefits: Golden Age
Costs: US National Myths and Lies
Collateral Damage : Warmongers


[edit on 6-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Wow, why didn't someone think to usher the world into a golden age earlier?

If I were the president, I'd fight fire with fire. It's like being in a fight...if someone is talking trash, you try to walk away. If they grab you and punch you in the face, you don't apologize to them, or cover your head and hope they don't hit you anymore...you come right back at them, and beat them down. (note: I DID say that you try to walk away. I would never instigate a fight, but if one is started, I'll be damned if I don't fight back, and at the very least, go down swingin')

Originally posted by SIRR1
I would make parking lots out of

North Korea.
Syria.
Iran.

So now that you are President, and have made "parking lots" out of North Korea, Syria, and Iran. would you launch an investigation on who did it when you dropped the bombs or after the dust settles?

-Reason

Nuke MECCA.

Barring that, not much you can do short of the wholsale genocide of a whole bunch of innocent, although not so friendly people.

I find alot of these responses quite interesting.

The job is not as easy as it sounds huh.

-Reason

China? N. Korea? Iran? Disgruntled Americans? Russia? France? Australia?

Australia? It wasn't us, we were all down at the bloody pub mate!

Nobody yet has mentioned being a president with the brains to PREVENT it happening in the first place! I would have the national security so tight it would be virtually impossible for a terrorist/s to detonate a nuke anywhere in the country. That only leaves ICBM's which we have detection and defence for, Aka starwars etc.
IF it happened , first priority would be my own people. Decontamination, evacuation, containment.
Then start a full on investigation into my pathetically lax security, and discover who's fault it was, and have them shot, and at the same time trace the guilty party by means of security detection protocols already in place.

[edit on 6-12-2004 by instar]

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Uh, you are a bit wrong. As a matter of fact, even though the Jews were scattered to the four winds and are now coming back to their homeland, there has always been a Jewish presence there, with their unique language and culture that the Palestinians do not share.

In the 70's the king of Jordan stated that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan. That should wrap up where the "Palestinians" belong, huh? Almost, but not quite, as they also have rights to go back to Syria, as they are really part of greater Syria.

Regardless, even though The vast majority of the area was divied up to the Arabs and only a small parcel for the Jews to have a home, that isn't good enough.
You'd better start looking at sho is really to blame for those people's displacement, and you'd better look at who is using them as a propaganda tool against Israel. For a board who has already figured out that Bush is screwing up the whole world, this little mystery should take all of 5 minutes to solve.

Unique language? Hebrew was never the language of the jews. That is why the majority learn that language to assume the identity and stake a claim on that land.

It is just colonialism. A people who base their entire life on mythology. eggers being eggers.


[edit on 6-12-2004 by Justanotherperson]

[edit on 6-12-2004 by Justanotherperson]

Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by Frosty
Nuke the bastards back! That means assuming who done it. Nuke Iran, Nuke North Korea, Nuke France, Nuke Russia, Nuke the indians and pakis, then whille I am at it I'll Nuke the Canukes.

I am going to assume you posted the above term (bold) in ignorance, I will ignore the rest of the crap you've posted but not that which is in bold.
In Britain this is a highly racist term, which the mods should understand full well.


[edit on 6-12-2004 by Koka]

I'm not in Britain. But seriously, I would nuke the pakistanians.

Originally posted by Frosty

Originally posted by Koka

Originally posted by Frosty
Nuke the bastards back! That means assuming who done it. Nuke Iran, Nuke North Korea, Nuke France, Nuke Russia, Nuke the indians and pakis, then whille I am at it I'll Nuke the Canukes.

I am going to assume you posted the above term (bold) in ignorance, I will ignore the rest of the crap you've posted but not that which is in bold.
In Britain this is a highly racist term, which the mods should understand full well.


[edit on 6-12-2004 by Koka]

I'm not in Britain. But seriously, I would nuke the pakistanians.

how come?

If I were President;

1. Get on the National Reconaisance Organization. Surely they would have communications recordings of cell phones,etc.

2. Any country or people I saw reacting the way they did when 9-11 happened would be on my list just for being happy that it happened.

3. Seal the borders. No one in or out. Foriegn countries wanting to help would be told not thanks for now. (security reasons)

4. If it was found to be Islamic terrorists then all non natural born Muslems would be interred for their safety as well as others is secured and until complete checks were finished and loyalty oath signed. Those refusing will be kicked out of country.

5. If any country refuses to help wholeheartedly and without reservation will become persona non grata and all political, social, economic ties will be cut.

6. Any country found aiding and/or abetting those responsible will be destroyed.

I would say immediate concerns over security in the US would be addressed first. Then in the longer term after an investigation, the blame must be put on someone or some country. If we weren't sure, the public would never be told except possibly that an organization spread throughout several countries was involved and this country or that country were found to have direct meetings with this organization that directly paid for the bombing. Then we have instant justification (at least for the American public) to go bomb the crap out of that country or countries.

North Korea could be nuked if we have sufficient anti missle technology working and in place. Iran would be a bigger problem, we don't want radioactive oil but oil fields could be spared the heavy bombing. Nukes wouldn't be ruled out. You may not want to take out both Iran and NK at the same time but keep one country in reserve in case another attack occurs. I mean someones gotta pay for the president to look effective and get reelected. I wonder what the real plan is. I can imagine not having any real evidence over who did it (the attack on a US city) or not knowing where the people who ordered an attack are located at. If a president did nothing but conduct a huge military exercise and claim we shot some terrorists, that may not go over too well with the American public.

If we had actually evidence of who did it, then the truth would be told and they would be attacked and hopefully eliminated. The one thing we would have to be careful of is that we aren't tricked by supposedly friendly countries into believing lies. I mean if Israel planted evidence that made Iran look like the guilty party, we would need to be careful to look at any evidence and not be tricked.

[edit on 7-12-2004 by orionthehunter]

[edit on 7-12-2004 by orionthehunter]

Well the first thing I would do after a terror attack is actually go after the perpetrators instead of using it as an excuse to mandate the rest of the world. The second thing I would do is pardon any perpetrators of victimless crimes, then after that, I'd call the media together and then personally walk over to the CIA HQ and start slinging file cabinents out into the street. Then I'd abolish the NSA and homeland security, give them jobs with the Salvation Army, where they can actually serve the people of the country rather than monitor them. Last but not least, I'd start sending a check for our oil like everybody freakin else does and bring the boys back home.

Originally posted by REASON
You are the President of the United States of America and you must act.

What you have at your disposal are many things including political means, military might, nuclear weapons, etc.

I would talk. I would respect. I would let every human being in this earth know that they are equally as worthy and their beliefs equally as valid as everyone else.

I would use people like Gandhi, Martin Luther King and John Lennon as role models for peace. I would educate the world in the ways of humanity.

And I would live as I spoke, so that no one would consider me a hypocrite and all would see that I meant what I said.

Originally posted by Frosty
I'm not in Britain. But seriously, I would nuke the pakistanians.

The correct term is Pakistani (Singular) Pakistanis (Plural).

...and apart from being narrow minded and ignorant, what reason would you give for nuking a large portion of the Muslim world?

Maybe you could be Brimstone735's Vice President.

Pisky you're not going to stay the President for long with an attitude like that.......well done..

[edit on 7-12-2004 by Koka]

Originally posted by Koka
Maybe you could be Brimstone735's Vice President.
[edit on 7-12-2004 by Koka]

Hey, how'd I get sucked into this? I'm liberal.

But, I also made a pretty good point. Nuking the MECCA would be the only appropriate form of response if jihadists were to detonate a nuclear weapon within the continental United States. Much like the unspoken deal with Russians, if you nuke New York, we nuke Moscow, so to must there be a like scenario for jihadists.

And really, the only way to fight jihadists is to threaten the one place they hold most sacred, the place they actually care about. And that makes them vulnerable. If they feel vulnerable, then they also feel fear. And, the minute they fear losing something, they lose their power and become weak.

Let's face it, the most technologically advanced fighting force in the history of the world can't stop a guy willing to blow himself up. And, at only one time in our history did a modern, mechanized army win against an opposing army of willing martyrs...and that took two A-bombs.

Regardless of intent, the United States needs to make the threat. If Islamic Jihadists detonate a nuclear device within the United States, we will respond with like force to their most valuble real estate.