[Russian] Army wives urge Russia to come clean on soldiers in Ukraine

Russia should tell all army wives exactly where their serving husbands are deployed, just like the US does!

Oh, wait a minute!

originally posted by: Britguy
Russia should tell all army wives exactly where their serving husbands are deployed, just like the US does!

Oh, wait a minute!

Russia says no one is deployed though ... so what is it, are they deployed and it's classified, or are they not deployed?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Russian military deployments are nobodies business except the Russian military. Go ask the US military for the deployment details of it's troops and see how far that gets you!

Sheesh! Talk about clutching at straws.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Russian military deployments are nobodies business except the Russian military. Go ask the US military for the deployment details of it's troops and see how far that gets you!

Sheesh! Talk about clutching at straws.

Actually you can get deployment details thats how family members keep track of deployments. Obviously you dont understand how things work in the US. In fact they tell the families even when deployment will end so they can plan their homecomings. Odd that you seemto think every country is as secretive as Russia.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Russian military deployments are nobodies business except the Russian military. Go ask the US military for the deployment details of it's troops and see how far that gets you!

Sheesh! Talk about clutching at straws.

Again, Russia claims no one is deployed, what is hard for you to understand?

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
It`s just anti-US/EU policy

It's this kind of suggestion that shows the lack of intelligence and awareness of US/EU policies and the actual facts of what happened to start all of this.

The US gains absolutely nothing from somehow dragging Ukraine away from the sphere of Russian influence, nothing at all. If it were that "strategic" or important don't you think something would have happened to protect it by now?

The EU spent some time considering Ukraine as a trading partner, as per Ukraine's request. Remember those hundreds of thousands of people who were all demanding closer ties to Europe? Perhaps if Russia had offered more than the usual corruption, oligarchs and restrictions on freedoms and rights they would have sided in that direction?

Russia still had influence in Ukraine, it still had a large military presence in Crimea, none of this would have been changed in the slightest by Ukraine trading more freely with the EU.

A person would have to be truly deluded to think that this is all somehow staged by the US/EU. The people wanted the chance at a better life, their leader attacked them, robbed them and then ran away. Russia went in and stole a chunk of land and has continued to try to grab East Ukraine as numerous commentators around the world suggested it would.

These are facts, this is the reality, there is absolutely no proof or evidence to the contrary offered by anyone.

And to highlight how ridiculous this "conspiracy theory" is, why has Russia so willingly played along with it at every step of the way? If this is all somehow being inflicted on Ukraine by the US/EU don't you think it would have been politically wise for Russia to NOT invade Crimea? Don't you think Putin has played right into their hands by every single thing his government has done since those protests began?

Either you are completely wrong, or Putin and his entire government are also "in on" this despicable US/EU conspiracy too!

a reply to: Rocker2013

So the US government DIDN'T have a budget specifically to fund and organise the protestors?
Victoria Nuland and Ambassador Pyatt never discussed who they were going to put in office and she never uttered the words "F**K the EU" during that discussion.
The US government has not been instigating sanctions since day 1 against Russia and pushing the spineless (and possibly blackmailed) EU leaders to go along with it all?

No, the US and EU are completely blameless and all those NATO and US bases ringing Russia are for teaching flower arranging and country dancing to the populace!

a reply to: Britguy

Hilarious. There was absolutely no problems and no anger and a few bucks caused massive protests?

Let me guess, Eastern Ukrainians voted for the new president for a few bucks too?

All military families are concerned about their members fighting in wars. Such concern is universal and not limited to families in Russia.

It is logical for wives to be worried about their husbands. I hope Russian political and military system matures in the communication department.

At the same time, we are seeing all-round deception in this war from all parties. Americans are topmost in deception.

We have to live with this. There is no point discussing personal and emotional issues.

The Europeans are soon going to taste failure and defeat, which will cause EU to unravel. It is not only Russia that EU has to worry about. It is only East Europeans that are hyper-active about Russia. The unraveling will start from Western Europe under the weight of middle-eastern conflicts.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: Rocker2013

So the US government DIDN'T have a budget specifically to fund and organise the protestors?

No they didn't. That's simple reality.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: Rocker2013
Victoria Nuland and Ambassador Pyatt never discussed who they were going to put in office and she never uttered the words "F**K the EU" during that discussion.

No they did not...they discussed who they would LIKE TO SEE in office...as did every country on the Globe that has even the remotest interest in the turmoil in Ukraine.


Your "information" is faulty or false...Research.

originally posted by: Britguy
So the US government DIDN'T have a budget specifically to fund and organise the protestors?

Proof? Oh wait, no, you can't actually provide any because this is all an Alex Jones fantasy. And no, a YouTube video of someone making the same accusations is NOT evidence.

originally posted by: Britguy
Victoria Nuland and Ambassador Pyatt never discussed who they were going to put in office and she never uttered the words "F**K the EU" during that discussion.

No, actually, the discussion was about who they would support - or prefer - in a position of leadership, not who they were going to "put in". But then you know this, the truth just doesn't suit your scenario.

originally posted by: Britguy
The US government has not been instigating sanctions since day 1 against Russia and pushing the spineless (and possibly blackmailed) EU leaders to go along with it all?

No, again you seem to want to rewrite history. The EU, UK, Australia and US all decided that sanctions were preferable to the alternatives - either allowing Russia to invade another country without response, or all out war.
Again, if you have EVIDENCE to the contrary about the US "forcing" sanctions then I would like to see it, otherwise you're spouting nothing but nonsense.

originally posted by: Britguy
No, the US and EU are completely blameless and all those NATO and US bases ringing Russia are for teaching flower arranging and country dancing to the populace!

No, those NATO bases are to protect Europe and the NATO MEMBERS from what Russia has now PROVEN it is capable of!

How the hell can any sane person scream about "poor Russia" being surrounded by NATO members, when Russia is proving by its aggression towards Ukraine that it is the EXACTLY the right thing to do!?

Russia announced today that they would be looking at their response to NATO now that NATO has announced plans to increase presence in the NATO member states around Russia. But this response WOULD NOT BE NEEDED if it were not for Putin invading another country. So, do you claim that Putin is in on the supposed American plan? Because he certainly seems extremely willing to give the US and NATO all the reason they need to enforce sanctions and increase defenses.

Putin crying about NATO is no different to a criminal complaining about the courts tagging their ankle. Putin and Russia are the criminals here, and NATO's job is to defend NATO member states. What the hell does Putin think the response would be to him invading another country?

originally posted by: GargIndia
All military families are concerned about their members fighting in wars. Such concern is universal and not limited to families in Russia.

It is logical for wives to be worried about their husbands. I hope Russian political and military system matures in the communication department.

It's not logical for those wives to be declared terrorists, nor for those missing military men to be buried in secret, nor for the journalists reporting on it to be kidnapped, beaten, threatened and harassed.

Again, you seem to like to pick and choose what parts of reality you want to accept. All of this is happening in Russia, those women have been branded terrorists by the Kremlin, the journalists are being attacked when trying to report on the secret burials, and all while Putin tries to lie to the world in the most utterly ludicrous way.

You would have to be an ignorant fool to believe anything coming out of the Kremlin, especially when there are now plenty of RUSSIANS stating openly that their government is criminal.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Russia is in an awkward position. It faces huge military challenge from NATO which requires its society to act in unison. Unfortunately Russia's political and social systems are still evolving as it did not have enough time after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Russia lives in a unique situation and has thus adopted certain political structure that may not look "democratic" in the eyes of liberal West.

However Russia's position is justified. Russia must protect itself from considerable hostility and aggression coming from West. If Russia fails, it will be demolished as a political entity.

USA is democratic in name only. I have studied USA's political systems for five years and came to the conclusion that USA's political system is highly conformist to a certain political thought. USA's political class has many people who are adherents of devil worship. The situation may not be much different in Europe.

Democracy is meaningless if population is swayed by violent thoughts and immorality. A democracy of fools always yields a government of fools.

Russia will manage its society in its own way, whether you like it or not. For Europe, the larger question is if it wants to give Russia its political space or wants to engage in war.

originally posted by: GargIndia
USA is democratic in name only. I have studied USA's political systems for five years and came to the conclusion that USA's political system is highly conformist to a certain political thought. USA's political class has many people who are adherents of devil worship. The situation may not be much different in Europe.

Democracy is meaningless if population is swayed by violent thoughts and immorality. A democracy of fools always yields a government of fools.

Russia will manage its society in its own way, whether you like it or not. For Europe, the larger question is if it wants to give Russia its political space or wants to engage in war.

What has any of this got to do with Russia lying to its people and sending soldiers to die in Ukraine? Oh i know evil west are now devil worshipers really? Wow thats a huge acusation to level without any proof other than your 4 years of study, Now lets come back to reality Russia needed an enemmy to remove the focus on what there government is restricting Putin has systematically repealed rights of Russians all in the name of nationalism. Sounds like Hitler 2.0 to me.

a reply to: GargIndia

USA is democratic in name only. I have studied USA's political systems for five years and came to the conclusion that USA's political system is highly conformist to a certain political thought.

So in five years you have become more knowledgeable than those who have lived in the US and have seen the political system for most of their lives...kudos to you.

Maybe you should look closely at your countries politics before condemning another country...

India, The World’s Largest Democracy, Is Also Its Worst

NEW DELHI, India — This may be a socially conservative country, but you wouldn’t know that from the election that just ended, which was apparently all about booze, bribes and journalistic lies, all paid for by politicians.

In the five weeks that it took this sprawling country to vote, election officials seized 22.5 million liters of illegal alcohol, $52 million in cash and even 400,000 pounds of marijuana and heroin — all used to entice votes.

They are investigating a further 3,553 allegations that candidates paid newspapers and TV channels to give them positive coverage, a practice known as “paid news.” And more than 70,000 allegations of criminality known as First Information Reports (FIRs) have been lodged with police about candidates and parties.

Voting ended on Monday, and election results will be announced on May 16. According to the exit polls (which have a history of being wildly inaccurate), the Hindu nationalist candidate Narendra Modi could soon be India’s next prime minister.

Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is predicted to fall shy of the 272 seats required for a majority, but would still be in a strong position to form a coalition with one or more regional parties. Voters are turning to the BJP after despairing at the current Congress-led government, which has become stagnant and mired in corruption allegations.

www.mintpressnews.com...

Talking about another countries politics while turning a blind eye to their own is astonishing to see.

The reason the Army cannot account for the dead soldiers is because they are not deployed, they are on vacation!

Security officials in Kiev say the combination of Russian troops, tanks and antiaircraft systems—which helped neutralized Kiev's advantage in air power—allowed the separatists to reopen key supply lines to Luhansk and Donetsk and open a new front for the strategic port city of Mariupol. Moscow denies deploying troops, though rebels say Russian military personnel are fighting on their side, though while on vacation.

You can't make this stuff up!

a reply to: DJW001

So who is lying then?

The Russian government about where their forces are at or the pro Russian rebels telling everyone the Russians are in Ukraine helping them out?

a reply to: GargIndia

if you studied our political system that long then you would know the United States is not a Democracy, but a Constitutional Representative Republic.

if you are going to claim to know / study something for that long at least cheat and make sure you get your lie right.

a reply to: GargIndia

Russia created the hostility, not NATO.

This is evident in the fact NATO countries reduced the spending levels suggested by NATO. There were no NATO units or bases deployed in any country that had a direct border with Russia, even though they were not required to take that step (contrary to the lies about NATO making a promise not to expand into East Europe).

Germany at the time made the promise about NATO which they had no authority to do so. Gorbachev discussed this later on with Bush but in the end Gorbachev is the one who failed to understand how the NATO system worked.

Russia is no more a democracy than the Soviet Union was.