Good Karma: The invention of the ruling class

Karma,

Did Buddha teach resurrection based on Good Karma? If not what did Buddah teach about Karma?

Thier are major flaws with Good Karma, that are against Buddha's other teachings.

The concept of Good Karma as a birthright? If one man is born a prince to become king, while another man is born a slave the prince calls this Good Karma as a reward for past lives. While the slave had Bad Karma and is thus being punished for past lives. This sounds good enough, few give this any additional thought.

But if you believe in this than you are saying that your quality of life is based on your material success. Since the prince has more of God's favor/love than the slave.

With this belief it might also be argued that the slave is being punished by God and should not be helped out of his slavery.

Did Buddah teach that a man's material possession were anything? Didn't Buddah teach the noble path for everyone, and claim that anyone could become Buddah?

According to Buddah it was the responsibility of the Prince and the slave to seek the noble way. That whoever followed the path would find Nirvana, a place free from worldly desires. If the prince refuses to follow the path he will walk down a path of anguish. If he walks the path of the light he will find Nirvana, and the same for the slave.

This concept of all having an equal path to enlightenment is called equanimity.

So as far as Buddah was concerned the signs of Karma cannot be material.

If you do something spiritual in order to receive a material reward haven't you decided yourself? Material work gains material possessions, spiritual work gains spiritual possessions.

So if you love seeking material reward, you are mistaken. The reward for love is love.

If you love for a reason other than love itself, you should expect no reward at all. The only Good Karma is created when one loves for the sake of love, because they will find the only thing that is spiritually pleasing, love.

Buddha taught that we were to overcome cyclical existence. The ruling class version of good Karma goes against both cyclical existence and equanimity. As a matter of fact it creates a new type of cyclical existence.

Thier are two cycles of birth and death the spiritual texts speak of.

The first physical birth and death, is simple we are all aware of the physical passing away of the flesh. Buddah said that we would return to the light.

The second is more complex but what accounts for the majority of the teaching. A man who refuses to acknowledge the light, Holy Spirit within will go through many cycles of birth and death in this life. We have natural cycles like the death of our infant mind and birth of our toddler mind, the death of our adolescent mind and the birth of our adult mind.

Spiritually we go through the same sort of growth. We die and are reborn each time new knowledge comes to us that changes our spiritual perception. As a child your spiritually naive and have no fear. As you get older the fearless spirit learns about pain and suffering, the fearless spirit dies and the spirit of fear is born. Overcome that fear and another birth cycle begins. This is the cyclical existence we need to escape.

Once someone acknowledges the light, Holy Spirit, in themselves all cyclical existence ends.

Thier is no resurrection based on Good Karma. We return to the light and give account for our lives.

Our birthrights therefore are selected by chaos/Karma. Chaos the true meaning of Karma. Since chaos elects our birth and we all have access to the same light, none is favored by God, except those who follow the noble way, just like Buddah taught.

The spirit of Chaos is created when a crime goes unpunished. This chaos will land somewhere, God sends his (love and chaos) on the good and bad. Some of the Native-American tribes honored the spirit of chaos by having one member of the tribe act like a Jester.

There is another who believes in equanimity. When Jesus was asked "Good teacher", he replied" why do you call me good, none are good except the father".

He was telling the student that he himself was created. Even though he is the light, the Holy Spirit, he still considered himself no better than any of his other created brothers. It is enough for the student to become like the teacher.

If anyone wishes to believe in reincarnation, it can only be based on chaos. Anything less than equanimity leads to Zionism by a ruling class.

BBBut what if reincarnation has NOTHING to do with KARMA?
What if reincarnation is a natural cycle till the soul is matured to move on out of here?
Not that that is my creedo......But why does Buddha? Jesus?Mohamad? and the rest have to be the end all and be all for so many?
Could we not simply be growing like beanstalks?
The reason for life a random chance in the first place?
What makes us any more super sophisticated than plants?

a reply to: stirling Environmental factors during the growth of a plant can effect the potential of the seed from that same plant.

What if the answers lay not in one religion but buried between all of them?

a reply to: sacgamer25



If the prince doesn't do good with his advancement, and use his material possessions for good, then he didn't use his good karma for anyones benefit but his own. In other words if your material possession from good Karma is a hammer you should use it to build homes and shelters for those that need it.

God gives love, man gives and creates chaos. Fear is the result of a loss of faith, you lose faith, God never loses faith in you.

Zionism is a political view and has nothing to do with religion.
Judaism is a religion.
An Israeli is a citizen of Israel.
Judaism is a religion, for a Zionist Israeli from Israel.

My 2¢

a reply to: Iamthatbish

What if by a correct understanding we realize that all the prophets taught the exact same thing, only in words that were appropriate for thier followers to be inspired by the Holy Spirit within.

Even the rituals themselves only have value if you understand the spiritual significance. Ritual without spirit is worthless to God.

a reply to: stirling
Ohh, but what if it does?
Say you are reincarnated, because you have life lessons to learn each time. When you complete that life lesson, in that life you build up good karma. But if something goes wrong, and you don't learn the lesson in one life, and half to repeat it, bad karma?

Just a thought.

And as far as the slave and the prince go. When they are born, they both have nothing. (the princes parents do, not him)
So wouldn't it be about what they choose to do with their life? Like the prince, when he becomes king, spends all his wealth, to ensure his people are happy and health, while the slave could rob, steal and kill, trying to better his lot in life?
Or he could give all his food away to people worse off then him?

I guess I see it as just being born into a situation. It's what you do (Karmicly?) with that life, no matter your wealth or lack of, that matters.
And maybe the life lesson your suppose to learn.


Clear as mud?

a reply to: chiefsmom

I agree. I think Jesus was the only man to be predicted by birth right. I think the rest of us are supposed to do the best we can just like you say.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: stirling Environmental factors during the growth of a plant can effect the potential of the seed from that same plant.

Beautifully said.

originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: Iamthatbish

What if by a correct understanding we realize that all the prophets taught the exact same thing, only in words that were appropriate for thier followers to be inspired by the Holy Spirit within.

Even the rituals themselves only have value if you understand the spiritual significance. Ritual without spirit is worthless to God.

I agree. The rituals are only spiritual tools from my point of view. If we take Reiki as an example they use specific symbols you write in your palms that have spiritual importance before doing a Reiki session and clapping your hands three times.

Choku Rei has a general meaning of: "Place the power of the universe here".
Sei He Ki has a general meaning of: "God and man become one".
The symbol has a general meaning of: "No past, no present, no future" or it can have the meaning of "The Buddha in me contacts the Buddha in you".

You can do a Reiki session without writing and clapping but the symbols are in a way meant to make you think in a certain spiritual way when you do the intention->manifestation and the drawing/clapping makes your nerve cells more sensitive to feeling the chi/light flow in your hands.

Can people flow chi/light by creating their own tool and not use Reiki. Of course they can and it will be as effective as the Reiki if they have figured out all the reasons that Reiki works.

Just because we as humans have not researched spiritual science and understood the parts that make up the whole do not mean it is the spiritual reality is always going to be unknown. Many want the spiritual world to be unspecified so they can make up their own view of what it is. I prefer knowing and not having to guess.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Yes you make a lot of sense, I use music.

No matter the class all governments are Hierarchal in nature where the mass are in subjection to the few.

collegial Interactive Govt is the only way to have a truly free society and a govt for the people by the people.

The US had it for less than a hundred years and the elite took advantage of greed and converted it back to a Hierarchal Styled govt. where once again we are submitted to our Govt.

"The govt was never meant to rule the people, the people were meant to rule their govt."

The more gifts you have, whether material or spiritual, the greater your challenges and responsibility will be. Also, the greater your temptations to become mired in the earthly and material will be. Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for the rich man to enter Heaven, but is that because you cannot gain Heaven if you are wealthy or because of the incredible temptations that surround you when you have so much in the material plane that tempt you away from the spiritual?

There are things you must do and exercise in your material life to help your spiritual life grow and some of those qualities: generosity and selflessness among others, are hard to learn and hold onto when you are surrounded by wealth and power that is all yours.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The more gifts you have, whether material or spiritual, the greater your challenges and responsibility will be. Also, the greater your temptations to become mired in the earthly and material will be. Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for the rich man to enter Heaven, but is that because you cannot gain Heaven if you are wealthy or because of the incredible temptations that surround you when you have so much in the material plane that tempt you away from the spiritual?

There are things you must do and exercise in your material life to help your spiritual life grow and some of those qualities: generosity and selflessness among others, are hard to learn and hold onto when you are surrounded by wealth and power that is all yours.

You have spoken truth here.

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a reply to: sacgamer25

Yes karmic reincarnation is the tool of hierarchy. The Caste system developed along with the doctrine of the transmigration of the soul. The worship of men as gods came along with it.

These are all corruptions of truth. Instead of all working together for good according to their talents we get castes which have continued down to this day with all the injustices of our society. Instead of the continued refinement of the soul we get karmic reincarnation which makes men slaves of other men based on something they don't remember doing. And instead of realizing all men are partakers of the divine nature we are told to bow to other men. ( gods, priests, politicians, celebrities/idols)

Hierarchy vs community
Flesh vs spirit

a reply to: sacgamer25

God is Light and there is no darkness within God at all (1 John 1:5). The belief that God has "two opposite sides" (such as Love and chaos) is one of the biggest deceptions. God is perfectly Light.

In the Bible, it tells you that you will reap what you sow. Each tree is recognized by the fruits it give. You cannot get figs from thorns or grapes from bramble bushes (Luke 6:44).

So yes, the Bible agrees with Karma. You will get what you give.

Whether or not someone has a bad life because of bad karma/unloving actions which came back to get them, that doesn't mean you are supposed to treat them badly or not care for them.

You are responsible for your actions, you will reap the fruits of the seeds you have sown, so it's very important to treat everyone fairly and with respect regardless of what bad karma/unloving actions they have done or the consequences they suffered from it.

a reply to: arpgme

Does chaos exist? Then God created at least the idea of chaos. Or do you think we know more than he does?

If good and evil both exist, than the creation must consist of both good and evil. Since their is only one creator, who created everything.

Unless you don't believe Isaiah.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

What is hard to understand. God is the creator of EVERYTHING. And everything he created is designed to draw us to him. And God is love.

a reply to: sacgamer25

The Kingdom of Heaven is like this. You do negative things, darkness will come to you. You do positive things, light will come to you. It is the Law of the Universe. It is the System of Balance. It is the Darkness and Light that make a Single Day. It is the Water that flows throughout the world to give life. It is the Fire that also destroys life. It is Male and Female that give Birth. It is a System of Duality. When you bring this Darkness and Light together, you make Love, such as the Two who make a Day, the same Two who also make a Baby. The same Two also made the Universe. We call them Mother and Father--the Darkness and the Light. These Two are ONE, which when they got together, created the Son. The Son represents ALL of Creation. This is God and You are the Son.

a reply to: ctophil

Personally I believe God is all light. I believe God created the darkness to help draw us to the light, without making us slaves to him. His gift to us, freewill so that we might choose him. So that we might choose love.

When the time is right the light will be revealed and all will become willing servants of that one light. And that light who is already shining, will enlighten all men to wisdom.