U.S. official says 1,000 Russian troops enter Ukraine

originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: MrSpad

You have it all wrong.

First off, it's the Ukrainian economy that is failing:

The international community should render assistance to Ukraine to prevent economic collapse in the country, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev said Tuesday.
“The international community, the states of the West and the East should render assistance to Ukraine," Nazarbayev said, adding that this is needed to prevent the economic collapse in the country.

en.ria.ru...

Russia is doing just fine economically, the sanctions are mildly affecting them if even at all.

The rebels are not collapsing as you said, in fact they are gaining ground:

Pro-Russia Forces Gain Ground as Ukraine’s Volunteer Battalions Decry Kiev Leaders

As Russia forces push forward towards the southeastern Ukraine coastal city of Mariupol and evidence mounts of direct Russian military support to the insurgent fighters, besieged volunteer units of "patriots" leading the way in the country's fight back say they are not receiving enough support from Kiev to win the war.

"We have reinforcements, but it's not enough, it's like a drop in the sea," Alexey, a commander of the Dnipro Battalion, told VICE News this evening. "We need armament, what we have is not enough. We need anti-tanks artillery to hold the city."

news.vice.com...

It's the Ukrainian military that is collapsing regardless of all the help they are receiving, even the company formerly known as Blackwater is helping the Ukrainians:

Although I do agree with some of what you posted perhaps a little bit more research is in order next time before you make invalid claims.

Were you purposely misinforming us or was it an honest mistake?

That being said, there is more to the story than what the media outlets from both sides are telling us so it's almost like a balancing act while we filter the lies from the truth as difficult it may be.

I see you have been out of the loop. Russia has had forces in Ukraine for sometime. And they are the ones on the counter offensive. You would be lucky to find more than a couple hundred rebels from the Ukraine itself at this point. The Russians have now become much more active directly because they what is left of the rebels are more intersting robbing the locals and getting drunk. Russia casualties have been buiding for awhile but, the numbers have gotten high enough that people in Russia are now getting upset with secret funerals and missing relatives.

As for Russia economy Santion s and rising debt stangle Russian economy That should tell you the state of Russias economy.

Now you have to ask yourself this. Let us just say you believe what you have posted. That the Russian ecomomy is doing great and rebels in the Ukraine are winning. Then why the sudden surge of Russian forces over the border? Are we suppost to believe they are all lost like the Russian Paras? They are getting involved becuase things have been going so well? That is what you think is going on? Have you just started following this? Even the pro Russin crowd went from pretending the rebels were winning to blaiming the Russians for giving the crappy weapons awhile ago.

a reply to: MrSpad

You evidence for their issues is their lack of borrowing from western banks?

Right after they helped open an Eastern bank?

Laughable.

Russia projected their 2014 growth (in 2013, pre Ukraine) to be 1.1%...they will most likely end the year between 0.6-0.8%.

Substantially closer to their mark than either Canada or the US...crazy.

Btw...I'm still waiting for the ruble collapse that was promised in the first round of sanctions...hasn't even come close to the 2009 low yet.

a reply to: peck420

and if the Badabunga Volcanoe blows,,,all bets are off. as far as GDP figures count.

could get real cold,, for a while,,

a reply to: BobAthome

and u cant fly jets in it,,,remember the clear blue days in Europe,,,no airplanes.

a reply to: BomSquad

LOL Just 1000? compared to Russia's standing of one million or so strong ground forces? i am surprised at the idiotic people still believing this as if it was real.

originally posted by: MrSpad
This is not suprising and not unexpected. Russia and Ukraine are now in talks. However. with the colllapse of the "rebel" forces Russia had lost a major card in its hand to use to deal with. Russia's rebels defeated, Russia economy failing whille Ukraine walks into the room flush with victory and western aid. Putin is simply trying to give some balance to the talks and save face at home. It is unlikely this will lead to anything larger. The one thing that could set things going is direct intervention from the West. That would back Putin into a corner that he could not get out of without lots of people dying in the process. If the US and West is smart they will continue turn the santions screw and slowly begiin to arm and train Ukraines forces.

I have to know what you have being taking.

Russia economy failing whille Ukraine

Russia and allies have created BRIC which in turn the sanctions have little effect it effects the EU though.


Russia's rebels defeated
If the Ukrankian Rebels agaisnt your beloved Candyman and fascists were defeated care to explain why Ukraine's army or whats left of it are taking more casualties then the rebels? and if the rebels are defeated why arent they defeated?


slowly begiin to arm and train Ukraines forces.
LOL if they wanted to arm Ukraines forces they would have done so before all this arming now its pointless due to the loses that its having and moral.


Not sure what you have being taking to claim that Ukraine's economy is doing better, hows that little pathetic EU recovery again?

The one thing that could set things going is direct intervention from the West.

Are u aware an direct intervention from the West. Your beloved West is an direct war with Russia?

a reply to: MrSpad

Forbes is not an even reliable source judging whom its writers are for the articles.

Then why the sudden surge of Russian forces over the border?
Ukraine Claimed previously that they have completely destroyed all of the Russian aid convoy that entered Ukraine when the aid convoy entered Ukraine the MSM stopped repeating that claim from Kiev why is that i wonder? unless an CIA Agents are telling the Kiev's government what to say to the press.

Plus if Russia wanted Ukraine or any other nations that they had before they wouldn't use just 1000 troops.

Even the pro Russin crowd went from pretending the rebels were winning to blaiming the Russians for giving the crappy weapons awhile ago.

Don't make any excuses since this all thing started on ATS and else on the internet there is and was an agenda defending the Ukraine military and the fascists whom are in the control of the parliament as they have and own the most seats in power.


Also care to prove just GRAND the Ukrainian military has being these past few weeks?

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Ambassador Churkin doesn't not agree with your excuses.

United Nations Security Council Meeting - August 28th 2014 - Agenda - Ukraine

webtv.un.org...


Pay attention when the United Kingdom Speaks. They lay out what forces Russia has committed and what units they are from.

Today 25 civilians were killed by artillery firing on Donetsk. Even NATO does not bomb an area with "precision bombs/missiles", if there are chances that civilians might be hurt.

Wide area artillery shelling on cities is ABSOLUTE WAR CRIME.

Not only commanders of these artillery units should be hunted down but Ukrainian government would need to pay billions for infrastructure repair and compensation for people killed and hurt.

These NAZIs in Kiev need to be brought to justice to make a good example for others in the future.

a reply to: Xcathdra

LOL Pay attention when the United Kingdom Speaks? just like we paid attention when they lied about Iraq, Libya etc.

They lay out what forces Russia has committed and what units they are from.

Sure did they. Did you figure that out after playing CoD? and UN is such fine organization to. This war mongering on here on ATS is becoming to comical at best.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Had you watched it you would not sound ignorant on the subject in question.

The other thing you missed was Ukraine's response.

They invoked article 51 of the UN charter and officially requested assistance to repel the Russian invasion. That act removes Russia's ability to veto any use of force authorization by the UN since its defensive.

This means nations can send military aid to Ukraine.

a reply to: Xcathdra


It is of course in the interests of Kiev to bable around at UN, and use that platform to spread around all sorts of disinfo. But, when you look more objectively, it is clear Kiev is not really aiming but ethnic cleansing. It is startling to think Kiev's position at UN would be considered anything else than suspects for war crimes.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's a new information, Thanks.

However, no country other than the US has the ability to play war with Russia. Even Obama yesterday said neither US nor NATO is willing to fight war with Russia over Ukraine.

What a world, War Criminals are asking for defensive help. Very EVIL this Junta in Kiev is.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Thanks for the DISINFORMATION............something you anti-Russia types pretty much are well versed in.

Article 51 is the Right to Self Defense. IT DOES NOT REMOVE ANY VETO AUTHORITY OF RUSSIA FROM ANY UNSC RESOLUTION.

Any nation can give military aid to any other country without needing UNSC approval........no article 51 needed in that case.

Any nations can jump into the war in Ukraine without UNSC approval.......if they choose to do so and face the consequences later on.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Had you watched it you would not sound ignorant on the subject in question.

The other thing you missed was Ukraine's response.

They invoked article 51 of the UN charter and officially requested assistance to repel the Russian invasion. That act removes Russia's ability to veto any use of force authorization by the UN since its defensive.

This means nations can send military aid to Ukraine.

Winers coming very soon Xcathdra in the East. Seven to eight weeks for the USA to totally colonise Ukraine. That's right, seven to eight weeks............ then it's going to be a failure for sure. Cold people revolt. Starving people who can't cook change governments. Poroshenko has two months max, then it's game over for USA, the people will turn on Kiev as sure as winter follows autumn.

a reply to: victor7

Use of military force by the UN requires a vote.

A nation under attack is not seeking UN permission to use force. Its invoking article 51 as self defense. It allows the country to defend itself from illegal aggression.

Since Ukraine is not seeking permission to invade Russia, Russians veto means nothing since a resolution is not required.

You up to speed now or do I need to explain it again for you?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Sorry, but your initial tone was UNSC can authorize aggression by nations and Russia would not be able to veto.

You tried to go slick but that did not work out.............it seems.

a reply to: the owlbear
Ukraine is trying to have another election so NATO can put a better puppet in place.

a reply to: victor7
The UN is practically another NATO but there's two sides. America can send there troops into any country and get away with it. Ex: Invade Iraq without UN or Congress permission to have greater U.S military presence in the Mid East.

The UN is exactly what it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to help avoid conflicts through reasoning and talks. All they're doing is using it as a way for NATO to bash on everything Russia, and their allies do.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter
Hold on COLONIZING Ukraine. Any move of colonizing Ukraine or even allowing Ukraine into NATO means war with Russia, the customs union, and China.

Definitely no way that can happen. Anyways if the US was going to colonize Ukraine they would govern Ukraines government so they "technically" are only influencing Ukraine's moves not controlling them...even then it would mean war with Russia.