Arizona-9 Year old girl kills gun instructer

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Briles1207


Anyone would think The U.S. was a third world country.

this would be funny if it wasnt true....

The US is a third world state, they alienate the vets, ignore the poor charge obscene amounts for medical care.

somthing like a third of the population are in financial trouble, banks take houses off people they cant actually sell, it might as well be africa

originally posted by: Biigs
i might be okay with a small arms rapid fire weapon like the mp5 or the g36c, somthing with two hands.

but an uzi, no way

that instructor was very irresponsible but didnt deserve to die for it, so this is very sad and unfortunate story

Every gun should be operated with two hands. The only people who use guns with one hand are Hollywood actors acting and thugs who want to look badass, though maybe that isn't a bad thing since they can't hit anything for s# that way.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Biigs
i might be okay with a small arms rapid fire weapon like the mp5 or the g36c, somthing with two hands.

but an uzi, no way

that instructor was very irresponsible but didnt deserve to die for it, so this is very sad and unfortunate story

Every gun should be operated with two hands. The only people who use guns with one hand are Hollywood actors acting and thugs who want to look badass, though maybe that isn't a bad thing since they can't hit anything for s# that way.

i agree, ever weapon should be held two handed "from what i know"

what meant was a small rapid fire machine gun like an uzi or a hp7 are not toys, not even slightly.

As small as they are they take a strong person to hold them on target, you simply cant give that to a tiny kid

Gotta say too..."Bullets and Burgers"....really!?

How cavalier and so sadly and utterly American. A complete merge of violence and entertainment.

originally posted by: Vamana
I see too many people talking about gun rights and saying the comments here are against guns and ''bashing'' America.

you seem to misunderstand the comments then cause I didn't see anyone say ''omg ban guns another person died'' what we are saying though is that teaching kids to use guns is completely idiotic which I'm sure most agree on.

you can have your guns that isn't the problem the problem starts when you start giving it to kids who can't understand the true dangers of a gun and don't tell me ''I shot guns when I was 10 and knew everything about them'' you certainly were not a 9 year old girl shooting an Uzi of all things and you being raised and taught about it outside of the city with your family isn't a comparison to the average kid today.

what kind of a ''family holiday'' consists of giving your 9 year old girl an Uzi to shoot with? stupid parents stupid instructor he didn't deserve to die but there was nothing stopping them from paying for this idiotic thing giving guns to kids on a gun range.

Teaching children safe and proper gun handing is a common sense thing to do, just as teaching them to swim (especially if you have a swimming pool), how to cross the street, how to properly use and store kitchen implements, and, later on, how to drive. Only an idiot would not want to teach safety to kids and I find it boggling that common sense gets thrown out the window when it comes to an object that people irrationally fear.

What family holiday involves letting a 9 year old get on a 4 wheel vehicle and letting them jump dunes? Motor vehicle accidents kill many more children than firearms accidents in this country. Heck, swimming pool accidents kill many more children than firearms accidents in this country but I doubt that you'd say that it was insane to teach a kid drownproofing.

This kid was not being "taught" to shoot the UZI. She was permitted to shoot it as a novelty, 'cause it was exciting, and some stupid adults gave her something she was not ready to handle neither physically nor skill wise. It is no different than if they handed her a chainsaw, pointed her at a log, and said "have at it."

It has zero to do with gun control, the second amendment, and civil liberties and everything to do with bad judgment of those who should know better.

a reply to: Biigs

I, personally, wouldn't hand a loaded firearm to a 9 year old regardless of the size. It would ALWAYS be unloaded and the only reason I'd do that is so the child would be able to familiarize himself with the weapon without risk of injury to himself or others.

All guns kick and the only way to suppress the recoil is with a built in spring or something similar to catch the bolt. But even then the weapon still has a small kick. A nine year old certainly doesn't have the arm strength to properly fire a gun.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
Gotta say too..."Bullets and Burgers"....really!?

How cavalier and so sadly and utterly American. A complete merge of violence and entertainment.

its sad really that all Americans get pooled into this pit of hate, i know many many personally and they are very nice people, some own guns some dont.

the world seems to just have this blanket hate. i know worse euro people, in absolute honesty.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Biigs

I, personally, wouldn't hand a loaded firearm to a 9 year old regardless of the size. It would ALWAYS be unloaded and the only reason I'd do that is so the child would be able to familiarize himself with the weapon without risk of injury to himself or others.

i thinks that perfect attitude.

this is the weapon, this is how it works, this is the safety this is where the bullets go. how to shoot it? sorry thats mommy and daddy only.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
Gotta say too..."Bullets and Burgers"....really!?

How cavalier and so sadly and utterly American. A complete merge of violence and entertainment.

Target shooting isn't inherently violent.....

This thought process to me seems to display an obvious disconnect w the gun being a tool.

So we can't eat and BBQ while we enjoy a pastime?

"Sadly utterly American". I find that statement divisive and vitriolic. I hope you don't intend that you place yourself at some sort of self perceived higher status then Americans? Perhaps some genuine introspection is in order.

Many people enjoy target shooting as a past time. I think labeling as violent just because Of this is disengenious.

I'm w you on a lot if things Jack 'O. But gotta disagree w ya on this one.

Cheers bud

a reply to: Biigs

Heck even in the Army during basic training they give you plastic rifle replicas to carry around all the time before you actually start firing and messing with your weapon so you can familiarize yourself with the weight, how to hold it, muzzle awareness, and other things. It's basically a glorified stick, but you can still learn quite a bit from just handling one of those.

no way, ever, should a nine year old child be handling/using an uzi. or ANY firearm.

ever.

stupefying insanity right there. mind-boggling really.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yes - guns are a tool. I own a gun. I own it for self defense, it's a weapon, not a passtime.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
no way, ever, should a nine year old child be handling/using an uzi. or ANY firearm.

ever.

stupefying insanity right there. mind-boggling really.

i would be genuinely frightened of firing off an uzi clip, i wouldnt let any of my family near one and definitely not a tiny 9 year old girl.

The guy did deserve to get shot, but not to die. but you got to say "how did this happen" he gave her that weapon so he hasnt a leg to stand on, well actually he doesnt have any now

a reply to: kosmicjack

Nothing wrong with "bullets and burgers". Done that most of my life!

Hell, I got my Marlin model 60 when I was nine. That's a semi-auto .22 that holds 18 rounds. VERY fun gun. Used to shoot it all the time at our BBQ's. Still have BBQ's and we still shoot guns, they're just much bigger now.

Again, nothing wrong with plinking while you're having a BBQ. It's all safe and it's fun. Even for the kiddos...

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yes - guns are a tool. I own a gun. I own it for self defense, it's a weapon, not a passtime.

So you don't to out target shooting?

I personally would be more comfortable with someone who goes target shooting w their firearms then someone who doesn't ever practice w it......

originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: kosmicjack
Gotta say too..."Bullets and Burgers"....really!?

How cavalier and so sadly and utterly American. A complete merge of violence and entertainment.

its sad really that all Americans get pooled into this pit of hate, i know many many personally and they are very nice people, some own guns some dont.

the world seems to just have this blanket hate. i know worse euro people, in absolute honesty.

Well said. There seems some irrational hatred for Americans, most of which is unfounded and based on stereotypes. Every group has its jerks and idiots. Manchester has gangs, druggies, criminals, rapists, obese people, and hooligans too--just like similar places in the US--however, I thoroughly enjoy visit my friends in the UK and find the people in villages in the UK just as friendly and nice as people in small town USA.

a reply to: kosmicjack

To you maybe, but you certainly don't speak for everyone. I don't like driving and just view my car as a basic need to get anywhere in this country, but that certainly doesn't give me right to say that people can't enjoy driving as a pass time. It's just not my cup of tea.

Firing a gun can be a very fun pass time. The thrill of watching your accuracy increase from session to session. It can help relieve some stress and I don't know if you've ever fired a very high caliber weapon (like a 50 cal), but those are EXTREMELY satisfying to put bullets downrange with.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: kosmicjack
Gotta say too..."Bullets and Burgers"....really!?

How cavalier and so sadly and utterly American. A complete merge of violence and entertainment.

Target shooting isn't inherently violent.....

This thought process to me seems to display an obvious disconnect w the gun being a tool.

So we can't eat and BBQ while we enjoy a pastime?

"Sadly utterly American". I find that statement divisive and vitriolic. I hope you don't intend that you place yourself at some sort of self perceived higher status then Americans? Perhaps some genuine introspection is in order.

Many people enjoy target shooting as a past time. I think labeling as violent just because Of this is disengenious.

I'm w you on a lot if things Jack 'O. But gotta disagree w ya on this one.

Cheers bud

Target shooting is actually very relaxing...Zen if you will. The concentration and mental discipline to make a long range shot is very calming to the mind and spirit and is similar to archery.

a reply to: KawRider9

I even eat when I go hunting! Crazy right. Usually there are campfires and food and stories involved

One could argue with reasonable accuracy that this is considerably more violent then target shooting.

I hope that no one is suggesting I shouldn't have fun while I hunt!