Pastor calls to imprison gays for ‘ten years hard labor’ with new constitutional amendment

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
To your statement about real Christians telling the others to stfu, what good would that do? They aren't real Christians, so what weight would condemnation carry in their hearts?

Maybe it's not about shutting them up so much as it might show the rest of the world who "Real" Christians are and what they stand for. After all, isn't it the Christians who are always saying, "For evil to thrive all it takes is for good men to do nothing." Too bad that only applies when they want to point out some other groups sins.

The way I see it, there is a large part of the populous who aren't Christian and doesn't know or can't tell who the "Real" ones are supposed to be. What they do see is a lot of these Hate monger Pastors spreading their hate around all in the name of Christianity. You might imagine that it's a big part of why so many people now have a negative view of Christians and Religion in general. Seem to me like if what you say is true and these kind of people don't represent your Religion, this is a good opportunity to show everyone what "Real" Christians are all about.

Otherwise, it's guys like this that our going to be the new Public Image of Christianity.

I would think that that was pretty much what I just did with my posts, wouldn't you agree?

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos

I would think that that was pretty much what I just did with my posts, wouldn't you agree?

Yeah. Ok. Well, that makes one I guess. Problem is these other Haters seem to be going a bit more public about their message than just making a post on a internet conspiracy site.

Why is it when I make that suggestion I keep getting individuals saying, "Well, I said I didn't approve of it." as if I'm talking about finding one person who thinks different.??

What I'm saying is that it might be good if a majority of Christians actually came together and said something. Ya, publicly. On the national stage or something. Like these other "Bad" Christians are doing.

You see what I'm saying?? I'm not talking about you personally here. I know where you stand.

originally posted by: okrian
And herein lies the problem. Because the bible is not just full of the good stuff, it's also full of the terrible stuff (and you must believe that the old testament is also the word of god if you are a Christian - Matthew 5:17-18). And cherry picking and interpretation (which all Christians do) is really just up to the whim of the reader. Their justifications for hate, calls for acts of hate, etc. are just as valid as your cherry picked acts of goodness... it's just amazing that anyone looks to a bronze age book to dictate these concepts. "True Christian", like any of you have any right to state this, the narcissism is strong. So you have some sort of secret understanding with god? I bet he's told you that you are super important and you are right and other people are wrong. Boooooo.

And mOjOm, this isn't focused at you in any way, I know you are using this term in order to seek condemnation among christians.

While I agree that the Old Testament is in fact the word of God, it represents the old law, whose burden we as Christians were delivered from by Jesus in the New Testament.

The Old Testament was a standard by which mankind simply failed to maintain on a consistent basis, thus requiring Christ to bring us back into communion with God.

It's not really as much of a problem as you seem to think.

And it appears that we're getting further off topic. I wouldn't want to derail the thread. That wasn't my intention when I made my initial reply.

originally posted by: okrian
And mOjOm, this isn't focused at you in any way, I know you are using this term in order to seek condemnation among christians.

Huh???

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. Can you explain??

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos

I would think that that was pretty much what I just did with my posts, wouldn't you agree?

Yeah. Ok. Well, that makes one I guess. Problem is these other Haters seem to be going a bit more public about their message than just making a post on a internet conspiracy site.

Why is it when I make that suggestion I keep getting individuals saying, "Well, I said I didn't approve of it." as if I'm talking about finding one person who thinks different.??

What I'm saying is that it might be good if a majority of Christians actually came together and said something. Ya, publicly. On the national stage or something. Like these other "Bad" Christians are doing.

You see what I'm saying?? I'm not talking about you personally here. I know where you stand.

Absolutely. That would be terrific, but unfortunately, being a Christian doesn't necessarily mean that you're brave enough to speak out. Some folks are burdened with cowardice, and insecurity.

In fact, that may be my own issue with regard to your comment about posting on a conspiracy site rather than speaking out on a soap box on the corner.

One thing being a Christian has taught me is that no one's perfect. Humans have shortcomings, and if a person becomes a Christian thinking it frees them of that inescapable truth, then they're "doing it wrong", as the meme says.

a reply to: ProfessorChaos


Yes, I know about that. There are many "Eye of the Needle" sites that have been "discovered" since the 3rd or 4th centuries, in tourist fame. Most scholars, I've heard from, say they're all hoaxes. Modern day Christians like to seize on the myth of the real "Eye of Needle" to defend the criticism of the Prosperity Christian movements. You know the ones, the "Send me money, and I'll pray for you to get more money......." scams. Those mega TV churches.....They don't like to be told about giving money to the poor. They're in it for the instant rewards.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos


And it appears that we're getting further off topic. I wouldn't want to derail the thread. That wasn't my intention when I made my initial reply.

Derail away...

It's to late to go back now as the thread has vacillated from "abortion" to "zionism" and everything inbetween.

Cyber "open season" with a take no prisoners attitude.

For those who value such things, here is a link to one hundred verses from the Bible that command believers not to judge others nor each other.

What does the Bible Say about Judging Others

It always amazes me how Christians so readily ignore that volume of injunction and start railing about "fruits."

Stating the truth about Christianity is not an attack on individual Christians.

Stating the truth about individual Christians is not an attack on Christianity.

The claim that this fellow is somehow an anomaly within the faith just doesn't hold water.

Arizona Pastor says Gays Should be Executed

Salavation Army MEDIA DIRECTOR Says Gays Should be Put to Death

Christian Pastor: I Believe the Governent Should Use the Death Penalty on Homosexuals

Christian activist says Gays Should Submit to Anti-Gay Therapy or Be Put in Jail

C hristian Radio Host: Ebola Will Cleanse Away the Atheists and Homosexuals

... and so on.

It is quite simply specious to claim that these attitudes are not prevalent in the American Christian community.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ProfessorChaos


Yes, I know about that. There are many "Eye of the Needle" sites that have been "discovered" since the 3rd or 4th centuries, in tourist fame. Most scholars, I've heard from, say they're all hoaxes. Modern day Christians like to seize on the myth of the real "Eye of Needle" to defend the criticism of the Prosperity Christian movements. You know the ones, the "Send me money, and I'll pray for you to get more money......." scams. Those mega TV churches.....They don't like to be told about giving money to the poor. They're in it for the instant rewards.

Yeah, the Joel Osteen's, Benny Hinn's and Kenneth Copelands...

They'll have some 'splainin' to do eventually.

a reply to: mOjOm

I just meant that you had also used the term "true christian", but not in the way in which I was referring.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos


And it appears that we're getting further off topic. I wouldn't want to derail the thread. That wasn't my intention when I made my initial reply.

Derail away...

It's to late to go back now as the thread has vacillated from "abortion" to "zionism" and everything inbetween.

Cyber "open season" with a take no prisoners attitude.

That's unfortunate, because pointing out this man's hypocrisy is a worthy enough rail to be on. He's an example of the HUGE problems with religion in this country.

a reply to: olaru12

At least we've gotten back to religion!

originally posted by: Gryphon66
For those who value such things, here is a link to one hundred verses from the Bible that command believers not to judge others nor each other.

What does the Bible Say about Judging Others

It always amazes me how Christians so readily ignore that volume of injunction and start railing about "fruits."

Stating the truth about Christianity is not an attack on individual Christians.

Stating the truth about individual Christians is not an attack on Christianity.

The claim that this fellow is somehow an anomaly within the faith just doesn't hold water.

Arizona Pastor says Gays Should be Executed

Salavation Army MEDIA DIRECTOR Says Gays Should be Put to Death

Christian Pastor: I Believe the Governent Should Use the Death Penalty on Homosexuals

Christian activist says Gays Should Submit to Anti-Gay Therapy or Be Put in Jail

C hristian Radio Host: Ebola Will Cleanse Away the Atheists and Homosexuals

... and so on.

It is quite simply specious to claim that these attitudes are not prevalent in the American Christian community.

Just to clarify myself. I never stated that he was an "anomaly" in the Faith. He may very well be the norm, as true Christians are actually in the extreme minority as pertains to physical representation.

HAYSUS MARIMBA we sure can SURGICALLY DISECT a dead horse with THIS suker.
Have we established the guys a joke in the vid yet?
That being the ONUS of this thread?

While this is an interesting conversation, I need to head to bed (I wake for work at 3am). If, in my morning haze, I remember to check in this thread, I look forward to seeing where this discussion goes from here.

'Night All.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Have we established the guys a joke in the vid yet?

On the contrary. I think it's been very clearly established that there's a large swath of Christian leaders, in this country, who have an agenda to use their religious positions to ply the public with homosexual hate and bias.

I can only fear that we'll be seeing a lot more blatant bigotry as the courts hear discrimination cases, that are bound to be coming in light of the Hobby Lobby "personally held beliefs" new found religious freedom for businesses ruling.

originally posted by: windword

I can only fear that we'll be seeing a lot more blatant bigotry as the courts hear discrimination cases, that are bound to be coming in light of the Hobby Lobby "personally held beliefs" new found religious freedom for businesses ruling.

Well, the likes of these type Christians, aren't getting much success in the states ---- so they're heading over seas to Russia, Uganda, etc.

Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda's Anti-Gay Crackdown

In late February, when Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni signed the nation's harsh new anti-gay bill into law, he claimed the measure had been "provoked by arrogant and careless western groups that are fond of coming into our schools and recruiting young children into homosexuality." What he failed to mention is that the legislation—which makes homosexuality a crime punishable by life in prison in some cases—was itself largely due to Western interlopers, chief among them a radical American pastor named Scott Lively.


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originally posted by: mOjOm

Yes, I think I know what you're saying. What I don't know is how this thread turned into an Abortion debate though.

Wasn't this about a Pastor wanting to throw Gays in jail for 10 years hard labor???

How did False Imprisonment of Gay's become a discussion about the Morality of Abortion??

That happened around page 9 after all the Christians disagreeing with this dirtbag's proposal (except for the bogus account) simply wasn't good enough.

a reply to: Bone75

Or perhaps after all those Christians attempted to paint this person as a one-off, when he clearly is not… as stated and demonstrated.

a reply to: olaru12

You know in a few years we are going to hear this:

Anti Gay Preacher found in Vegas hotel with meth and underage Male Prostitute. Sordid week long sex and drug binge caught on tape.

He doth proclaim too loudly.