Unknown orange/red glow over Pacific Ocean

originally posted by: waverlyhills
a reply to: Rezlooper
Well I said it sort of tongue in cheek as far as debunking. However I 'm also trying to illustrate that I'm willing to take in viewpoints that I don't necessarily agree with/want to believe. I find that healthy debate from all sides with no name calling can help us get to the truth, so I'm willing to listen. Let's face it there are fakers who ruin it for everyone else.

In truth I've been researching strange phenomenon for years and have an overflowing Fortean bookshelf so I truly want to believe that this is real. It is of my opinion that if we don't believe in the magical unknown the world is a rather dull place..there are many mysteries on this earth that cannot be explained.

Fascinating discussion at any rate...

It's like everything that's posted these days has to be a fake. And, for me, I ask why? Especially these photos. Why would someone fake something that could be explained away as simple as a submarine volcano. This could be a volcano, or it could a methane explosion, there have been plenty of those, such as the blowholes in Siberia. That's all I was saying about it. I agree, there is a lot of fake stuff presented here at ATS, but not every thing is fake. I also believe the way the story was presented, its believable. Either way, you're right...fascinating indeed.

Okay, I'm actually going to step out of the comfort zone for a moment...

Volcanos, swamp gas, bioluminescent algae?.. Come on.

Let's look at the facts based on the pilot's story.

They're 34,000 feet, approximately 10km up from sea level and surrounded by sea for at least hundreds of kilometers.

The cloud line is approximately 2km from sea level.


The Pilots first see an intense vertical light shoot up into the air. Well we can debunk lighting as a source seeing as they're about 8km above any storm clouds. The pilot also states "I have never seen anything like this".

Next, the pilot sees a "strange green glow that was all over the Northern Hemisphere", which is clearly visible in the photographs. A rational mind would obviously assume the Northern Lights, however the pilot states:

"but it was much more dispersed, never seen anything like this before either.."

based on a photograph I found online that claims to be taken from the same height, it does in fact appear to be the Northern Lights:

www.spaceweather.com...

Assuming these are seasoned pilots I trust they would recognize if it was or not, though until it's proven otherwise I'll assume it is. It's also worth mentioning that the Northern Lights occur most frequently in a radius of 2500km centered on the magnetic north pole. The plane was at least 1500km away from that radius. Whether they can be seen from that distance at that height is yet to be determined.

Now for the other lights...

It goes without saying, it isn't a city seeing as they're over water. Even if they were over a city, based on my own experience flying, you wouldn't even be able to see the lights through the thick layer of clouds. Whatever they are they're either incredibly large/bright on the water, or they're hovering in/beneath the clouds. They're also circular in shape. So much so that they appear manufactured...

Based on the facts we have so far, they're large, bright, circular objects either floating on the water or hovering in/beneath the clouds... Add to that the strange bolt of light shooting up into the sky and the eerie green glow that may or may not be the Northern Lights (convenient timing either way), I'm going to confidently assume that this is an unnatural phenomenon. Likely the result of U.F.O. Activity.

originally posted by: VoidHawk
a reply to: smurfy

Hi smurfy.
As I said earlier, I'll not comment on whether the pics are genuine. My gripe is those stating that they cant be faked, or would be very difficult and require a lot of time, and thinking thats cause to laugh at another member who had doubts about whether the pics are real.

Here's another, took me longer to find the pics than it did to create, imagine what could be done if I spent a couple of hours on it!

While I will applaud your examples of how pictures and EXIF data can be spoofed, it would be presumptuous to say that there is a reason for this guy to fake any of this when all he wants is the island to be named after him.

With that said, are you taking an unbiased approach with all of the circumstances given?

- Skilled photographer with a history of similar photos
- Excellent, very expensive camera (doesn't include lenses)
- A fisheye lens, with knowledge of its application in high exposure shots
- A knowledge of how to use all of these in a plane (demonstrated history)
- A flight over the ring of fire
- The fact that 75% of the Earth's magma output is underwater
- Gasses being released could create either an electric discharge (ionized from the salt?) or an explosion

If I were a betting man... I would say it's a volcano that is about to surface.

I also don't see a reason for this person to have motive to fake this when he has plenty of other outstanding photos of better quality. He isn't claiming something paranormal, just that he saw it and took a picture of it and thought it was worth reporting to others.

It's ok to be skeptical, but there is a point where it becomes a fault.

~Namaste

My 2 cents...
1. A person's 1st post on ATS features almost indecipherable photos, with a description that's way far-fetched.
2. He never revisits the thread to offer additional information or explanations, even though it's now on the front page of ATS due to high activity/interest.
3. The photos were (supposedly) taken along a flight route that is used by several airlines. No other witnesses? Why?
4. If this thread were originated by a casual passenger, instead of a pilot, it would have been dismissed very quickly.
-cwm

Could this have something to do with the ring of fire and the California quake? If so that light phenomena goes pretty high in the sky.

originally posted by: carewemust
My 2 cents...
1. A person's 1st post on ATS features almost indecipherable photos, with a description that's way far-fetched.
2. He never revisits the thread to offer additional information or explanations, even though it's now on the front page of ATS due to high activity/interest.
3. The photos were (supposedly) taken along a flight route that is used by several airlines. No other witnesses? Why?
4. If this thread were originated by a casual passenger, instead of a pilot, it would have been dismissed very quickly.
-cwm

1. This is not my first post, as I'm sure you know one is required to leave 20 replies before being able to start a thread.
This is my first thread.

2. Wrong, I am on top of this thread, lurking mostly, but posting regularly (12 posts since the OP). Among these posts are forwarded replies of the actual photographer/co-pilot, with who I have contact with.

3. To my knowledge there were no planes in the area at the time this event occurred. Why, I wouldn't know, I don't have the insights.

4. I am just someone that came across this story through a Dutch media source, I am not the pilot. I just felt the need to share this with everyone here on ATS.

Wow Nice Pix, A Star and Flag for you OP. I have never seen anything like it and I have done a lot of flying in my time. it's what's going on with the water that intrigues me. The Sky appears to be a Strange Aurora Effect, But The Ocean has me baffled. Again Nice One Namaste Arjunanda a reply to: AnonymousWitness

I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but it sounds like initially the pilots saw a Gamma Ray Burst. A 13yr'old amateur astronomer discovered one last year.

Now I don't know enough about the subject to say if a GRB can trigger volcanic activity, but the glow is almost certainly undersea volcanoes near the surface or breaching the surface.

See other images:

www.beachconnection.net...

www.shutterstock.com... -o-o.html

a reply to: AnonymousWitness

Thanks for clarifying these items for me, AnonymousWitness. Now I understand why there's so much discussion without any additional evidence, or feedback arriving to the thread.
-cwm

yellow glow youtu.be... 0:10 with earth 2:10 with iss

a reply to: carewemust

I'm hoping to present the higher resolution photos tomorrow, may the photographer/co-pilot release them.
This and some answers to questions asked earlier in the thread was presented a few pages ago.

originally posted by: lovebeck

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: lovebeck

How did I appear to jump on you? You need to calm down.

Anyway I didn't see the 30-second exposure on the image itself. However, it's on the last image and as you might have noticed, the area is far into the horizon which make it move MORE slowly, thus explaining your question.

Ooooooookkkkkkkaaaayyyyyy.

Btw, I don't have a question. I know, as a photographer, that this photo (THE 30 SECOND ONE) is impossible to take, from a plane, traveling at 34k feet (so he claims) and get such a clear image. In that 30 seconds, when the shutter is open and the image is being recorded onto the sensor, there is going to be camera shake if taken from a plane; regardless if a tripod was used or not.

Dude should worry about actually flying the plane than taking his "mysterious" photos!

Impossible eh? You may know photography but have you ever even been on a plane? Have you taken photographs at night from one? Even if you had, it would have been from a side view windscreen. I have taken plenty of photos from the cockpit, at night, with long exposures without any shake or blur. The higher you are, the slower the ground appears to move, especially when the camera is pointed straight ahead. You do not need a tripod. You can get the exact same effect as having one by resting the camera on top of the flight control panel and wedging it up against the windscreen.

Also, you said earlier that you thought he combined 2 photos. According to your theory, wouldn't they be blurry? I just don't see why he would try to hoax these photos anyways - its not like it shows UFOs or anything.

BTW - when your are at cruise altitude for 4 or 5 hours with 2 pilots, snapping a few photos hardly jeopardizes the safety of the flight.

They don't let me fly the plane. I only get to sit in the back with the rest of the cattle. One thing that now strikes me is that I don't recall ever seeing stars or a star filled sky. Ever. In all the times I have flown at night I cannot remember seeing anything like the OP's pic. I'm not saying it is faked or that I can prove fake. I would think that at 30k+ feet the stars would be clear and in abundance but like I said, as a passenger that cannot sleep and always get the window seat, I have not seen a starry sky at night.

Any other pilots reporting this?

Is it continuing?

"Among these posts are forwarded replies of the actual photographer/co-pilot, with who I have contact with"

"I am just someone that came across this story through a Dutch media source"

I'm confused, If you came across this story how are you in contact with the pilot?

Its a sign of the horseman that live, the end of time and the battle that will take place momentarily.

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker

"Among these posts are forwarded replies of the actual photographer/co-pilot, with who I have contact with"

"I am just someone that came across this story through a Dutch media source"

I'm confused, If you came across this story how are you in contact with the pilot?

I came across the story before contacting the co-pilot. If you go through my posts you will see that at one point I decided to contact him. I emailed, he replied, I informed him about this thread, and he answered some of the questions asked here.

Maybe I should edit the OP and add what the photographer/co-pilot has said so far.

EDIT: unfortunately I can't edit the OP, since there is a 4 hour limit to do so.
I might sum up, and post that as a reply instead.

originally posted by: staple
They don't let me fly the plane. I only get to sit in the back with the rest of the cattle. One thing that now strikes me is that I don't recall ever seeing stars or a star filled sky. Ever. In all the times I have flown at night I cannot remember seeing anything like the OP's pic. I'm not saying it is faked or that I can prove fake. I would think that at 30k+ feet the stars would be clear and in abundance but like I said, as a passenger that cannot sleep and always get the window seat, I have not seen a starry sky at night.

The view from the flightdeck, at altitude, at night, is spectacular. Free from light pollution and most atmospheric haze, the clarity of the night sky blows out of the water any ground based observation. This is why I believe these photos are not a hoax. Besides the illuminating lights in the ocean, I have seen a similar view hundreds of times.

Check out Google earth at that location at sea. It looks like a volcano is under the ocean there.


N 47 E 160



files.abovetopsecret.com...

First thoughts seeing this, I would think under water volcanic activity, BUT, The ocean right there would be miles deep, so if it was a volcano coming up from the sea bed, you would think that this activity would have already been detected before now, right? For it to be lava and magma as the light source, would mean this would have been happening for possibly weeks or much longer, and that it would be well known through the seismic activity reporting.

But with the green aurora type effect at the same time, and at a much higher intensity that the pilot has never seen before is too much to be a coincidence. There must be a connection between those 2 things. Or their "might" be a connection..

This is intriguing to say the least..