Alternative history - The East if Nazi Germany had won

Wasn't sure where to put this so I thought id put it here.

I am curious what peoples views are on this alternative history idea regarding Islamic extremism and the Israeli - Palestine situation if the Nazis had won WW2.

Do you think extreme Islam would exist?
What do you think the land of Israel today would be called/would be?

I think its an interesting topic.

I believe if they would have won Israel would be a under complete German control due to its religious worth. I don't think it would be under Iew, or Arab control.

I think the Jewish population would only be in the USA

I do believe extreme Islam would be alive, but anywhere near to the extent it is today.

Your thoughts?

a reply to: Walkingsenseless

Then we would all be the terrorists. A successful Nazi world government would be met with constant rebellion in the most viscous manners possible: terrorism. Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Nobody of any redeeming spirituality would condone the actions of Hitler therefore nearly every religious path would form their own "Jihad" against the Nazi regime.

And we would all be labeled "extremists" by the Nazis for fighting back.

a reply to: Cuervo

Not mention those loyal to the American Constitution will take a Second American Revolution should the Nazis takeover America.

Anyone NOT Aryan would be targeted for extermination if they were successful. So, no. America would have to have beed destroyed as well.

a reply to: Cuervo

I rather doubt that.
The German's doctrine of if a town sprouts partisians burn it to the ground would eventually put an end to it.

a reply to: Cito

With a heavy cost in blood.
Is peace really worth it at such a price?
I think not.

a reply to: Walkingsenseless

Would be a complete and total nightmare.
I think extreme Islam would still pop up.
If for nothing more than "the Holy Land" being occupied by infidels.

However, the Nazis would respond brutally and it would probably be a case of two monsters fighting.

Would germany and turkey have become allies after the fall of russia, if so then the ottoman empire would have risen from its ashes, not sure if hitler and is goons would have stoped at russia and europe do.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Are they white,blonde and blue eyed and utterly DEVOTED to the Reich? If not then they were a mongrel race and as such would be allowed to exist until the time came for them NOT to.

HITLER was really WHY they lost ,his ideas were nothing less than FULL TILT BOZO. they weren't logical.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Hitler was allied with japan, last time i checked they where not white and aryan, germany was a close allie to turkey in ww1.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

An piece of paper.
Hitler signed a lot of them.

a reply to: Walkingsenseless

Nazi ideology believed war was essential to strengthen the people, so hitler was going to wipe most of the slavic people out indeed all if he could as he intended to populate russia with German ethnic people, other races where to relegated to worker or slave status and they middle east had not yet entered there long term plans except and in so far as they used Arab's as allies to fight the British, had britain been able to mobilize it's empire and early on repelled the german's in north africa securing the oil field's the war in the west might have been quite different, indeed it was because of Britain's hold out that Russia survived.

The North atlantic convoy's delivered much needed weapons and supply's to Russia and the route was one of the most hellish any sailor could ever sail but Operation Barbarosa which as a pet plan of Hitler (who hated all russians including the Ukrainian's and wanted to wipe them all out including the Ukrainian's as that was is ideological plan) actually lifted the pressure on the UK and operation sea lion was shelved (Operation sea lion was the german invasion plan for Britain) as they could not gain air superiority over britain (Due to Hitler ordering a switch of bombing from the air field's to the city's of Britain).

This respite brought Russia who had technically been at war with britain and france due to there co invasion of poland with germany on to the allie's side and with not much choice we then decided to help the russians as best we could.

The attack on pearl harbor was the seed change that brought the US into the war, they had been fiercely neutral until the japanese attacked them but now public pressure in the US not only took them to war with Japan but with her Allie Nazi Germany and the liberty ship's that the US shipyard's were able to produce at lightning speed soon overwhelmed the German submarine fleet's that had been strangling britain at sea, they also provided a lifeline of american good's and weapons to Russia.

What would the world have been like had England accepted Germanys attempt to negotiate a peace with them and to have formed an alliance with Hitler as he had always dreamed of, well Hitler looked at the British rule of India with biased and tinted glasses interpreting the 5000 british functionary's that ran hundred's of million's of indians as a sign of a Germanic People's (The british) superiority and he actually idolized the british empire before the war, But he wanted his own, had this come to pass the Empire of Britain and the new Empire of Greater Germany would both still exist but have been built on the bones of countless murdered men woman and children and that is too high a cost.

In the early 1930's Hitler was convinced America was going to go to war with the British empire and he had good reason as at that time there was a lot of anti british sentiment in the state's, the canadians were preparing for an invasion by US forces and a counter attack but there plans hinged on the british coming to there aid while the british had drawn up contingency plans to abandon canada and cede it to the state's having done the math's and arrived at the conclusion they could not beat the US but could hold them indefinitely in the Atlantic, meanwhile Hitler had his generals' draw up plan's to come to Britain's aid in the even to war breaking out with America.

History is a tangled mess, the Arab's would still exist though and remember Turkey had been germany's traditional ally.

Russian and her people would have been wiped out, Most of europe would have undergone the Eugenic program's and breeding policy's of the Third Reich as well as reeducation.

The name of the Jewish people would now be found no where in europe.

The blood of the innocent would have created an unstoppable monster that would eventually consume the world as with Nazi Ideology believing war was essential they would have waged ideological and racial war in asia eventually turning on there japanese allies after wiping the chinese out and also I can foresee the establishment of German colony's in arabia and the take over of all french and belgian colonies, rebellions would be a boon to them as War makes the people strong so eventually the native's first enslaved would have been eradicated.

The NAZI's wanted enough land to be self sufficient in food and raw materials. People are the same on many levels, it stands to reason that Germany wanted enough to be secure, and no more. More eventually gives a diminishing return.

The NAZI's started the Holocaust after the war had gone wrong and slave labor by all non-Aryans was the only way to maintain production.

If the NAZI's had won in the East, Israel might have been established anyway, to get the Jews out of Germany.

Especially if the war was all a casino game with the bankers as the house.

Germany had never ruled the Arabs, and could have better brokered an diplomatic and acceptable deal for Jewish residency.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

The War really started going wrong after Stalingrad.
Which was August the 23 1942 until the German's defeat on Feburary the 2nd 1943.
Kristallnacht was in on November the 2nd 1938.
After which 30,000 people were sent to Concentration Camps.
And for example Dauchau was built and designated a Concentration Camp in 1933.....

Just saying.

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

Every modern country has had concentration camps. The US did Indians and Japanese, the British did Boers.

The starving and killing didn't start until Germany was at war with everything, after the Winter of 1941-42 and the US entry into the war. Hitler expected an easy victory in Russia.

The horrors started after the NAZI's were horrified themselves.

The OP asks a very good question.If Hitler not attacked Russia opening up a second war front the allies would have had an even more difficult time fighting Germany.Also the arab grand iman at the time was a staunch Nazi supporter.Had Germany won the war I dont believe that the state of Israel would exist today.

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Walkingsenseless

Then we would all be the terrorists. A successful Nazi world government would be met with constant rebellion in the most viscous manners possible: terrorism. Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. Nobody of any redeeming spirituality would condone the actions of Hitler therefore nearly every religious path would form their own "Jihad" against the Nazi regime.

And we would all be labeled "extremists" by the Nazis for fighting back.

According to the history books, the nazi's actively recruited Muslims, most of the Heer, (German army) was christian, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem visited hitler, so it seems not all religions hated the nazi's.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Sigh, why does everyone have to keep spouting lies about Nazi Germany and their beliefs? I'm no Nazi, doubt Hitler would approve of my Jewish family background or the fact that I married outside my race. However that doesn't mean I want to muddle up history out of hate for Hitler.

The fact is, "Aryan" means more than "white with blue eyes and blond hair". Hitler had Arabic SS soldiers, Jewish foot soldiers, and even African Heer members.

Hitler even said, "The Japanese are the Aryan's of the East".

But talking about Hitler and Nazism isn't one of my favorite topics to discuss. But it's really idiotic that people have to lie to make themselves feel good. History is already edited, no use in ruining it anymore.

a reply to: Auricom

Agreed as someone who has some Jewish ancetry myself or so I have been led to believe, but to not talk about history is to forget it and remember what was said and meant NEVER AGAIN, except it did happen again, in Cambodia, in Rwanda, in the former Yugoslav federation and it is happening in Iraq and Syria right now, the idiology behind it may be different, the target's may be different but these scum always need scapegoat's to rally there lynch mob behind, they take the very worst of a people to use as example's then rally there own followers behind there banner of hatred and hope and slaughter the other 99.9 percent of innocent people who are completely innocent.

It is good that it is talked about because to do anything else is to brush it under the carpet of forgetfulness and you know that old saying, "He whom forget's history is Doomed to repeat the mistake's of the past", those mistake's include the crime's of the past.