I'm starting to scare myself

a reply to: ausername

Yes I do. You're afraid of a relatively small number of people a very great distance away who are not going to hurt you and you deny the value of an entire religious culture based on that, not because of personal knowledge but because you believe the exact same lies that worked 13 years ago, told by people who actually can and do exploit you and threaten your way of life.

And in point of fact fearmongering against Catholics was an integral part of justifying racism against my people a century ago, so you can stick that part in your ear as well.

You'd be hilarious if there weren't enough people who agree with you to make the world a much worse place.

I have a better idea than going to Iraq and mingling with ISIS- stay home and mind your own damn business. They ain't cuttin off heads in Oklahoma. Not that I wouldn't like to free the victims of ISIS, but we just got done freeing the crap out of them and it didn't take.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: EA006

Nor I against you.. I understand your concern and your love and passion for the people is honorable you don't want the government to encroach upon then people nothing wrong with that and you surve an honorable role in functioning society. Just done become so focused as to have blinders on other pressing concerns

I don't like what ISIS do. I'm not a sympathizer. I don't think Islam is the terrible threat being portrayed.
If it means looking like the bad guy here then so be it.

a reply to: EA006
At this point the "front line" is everywhere on this planet. I have served my country and I continue to serve my community for the betterment of anyone who is willing to try. You should try having manners and showing respect for others instead of being an ass, you may feel better and not live in fear.

originally posted by: govmule
a reply to: EA006
At this point the "front line" is everywhere on this planet. I have served my country and I continue to serve my community for the betterment of anyone who is willing to try. You should try having manners and showing respect for others instead of being an ass, you may feel better and not live in fear.

I didn't say I feared ISIS or Islam.
I also have no reason to feel bad.

a reply to: govmule

I've miraculously stumbled bass ackwards into a green zone. Fall back to the Dakotas and regroup, I'll cover you.

a reply to: The Vagabond

I am afraid of nothing, or no one. From my perspective there is NOTHING of this world anyone should be afraid of.

Of this world.

I am not condemning Muslims, only seeing the inherent evils within Islam.

There is a difference, unfortunately you need true faith to see it.


As for what we do in Iraq now, or not makes no difference. Too little, far to late.

I'm just another opinion, like you. Everybody has one.

a reply to: EA006

i respect you and love you for caring within our society i believe us and them is a foreign concept and every opinion deserves thought and dialogue. man didn't Dylan say it right?

originally posted by: ShayneJUK
Its not Islam that's the problem it is certain sects within Islam Wahhabi Arabs for one which sounds like the
type you encountered in Disneyland who really do regard EVERYONE else as a lower form of life regardless
of race wealth nationality or status.

problem for everyone else is how do you tell them apart from "normal" Muslims who just want to get on with life

any more than identifying a Zionist amongst Jews

or any other fundamentalist nutter.

the issue here is someone or some group is facilitating the expansion of fundamentalist Islam to the detriment
of everyone in the middle east and the creeping police state in the west.

I don't buy it...They all read and believe the same book...

Practically the entire (moderate) muzlim hood of Dearborn Michigan was celebrating in the streets when the twin towers were brought down...If push comes to shove, you won't have any muzlim friends...

a reply to: The Vagabond
I appreciate the cover. It is always wise to regroup amidst a firestorm, if you are able to do so. The fear mongering is almost unbearable. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself...wise words, to bad a politician said it.

a reply to: ausername

Oh likewise, I'm sure you're lovely. It's everything you believe that is inherently evil and wrong and needs an army marshalled against it. See how that works?

a reply to: The Vagabond

How about this as an idea? There's a small County in Iowa, called Adams. It has 4,029 people in the whole county. Let's invite in a number of Muslims, suggest that they be on their best behavior, and bring in enough so they can win every election. If they put in Sharia, we could see how it worked out.

Worth trying?

a reply to: govmule

Agreed, except about the fire storm and global front line. Nothing to fear though- spot on. 3rd world aholes come and 3rd world aholes go. Don't risk your life to kill people who are doomed already my friend. It's a local fire and it will burn out. It would burn out faster if not for the fear mongers injecting hot air. Let the politicians lead their government mules from the front if they sincerely believe it's worth while to fight over fear. (I quote your name with all respect- I was the company gunny's "mule" at the school of infantry)

a reply to: charles1952

So your proof that they pose a threat is contingent on the idea that we might intentionally bring enough of then here to democratically overthrow our way of life?

I have a better idea. Put a couple bucks into one of those "find your military buddy" services and locate a marine by the name of Mahmoud who joined in 2003 and ask him if there's any reason a Muslim can't be a good a American. Im glad I met that guy back when I was Bush's ignorant little footsoldier (not my view of all soldiers, just saying I know better now because I've been where the hawks are and grown up since).

Who in the hell would turn America into anything but what it is if they had the option of being part if it? That's been the fatal flaw in every xenophobic chicken little's argument since it was the Irish who were going to hand this country over to the pope.

What's the right thign?

That's what it's about. And I'm not sure.

My gut tells me we're blowing it out of proportion and letting our fear of what might happen cause us to make our situation worse than it should be. BUT the past has shown s*** can fly. We saw the towers fall. We saw HItler rise to power and commit to war. We've seen beheadings. We've seen good and bad. The bad is scary. Fears really can manifest.

But seriously a lot of fears are just overblown. A lot of the genuine bad things happen without us ever seeing them coming.

Fear. Anxiety.

Put on some music. It's not all bad. Cherish the good. It's why we exist.

a reply to: The Vagabond

So your proof that they pose a threat is contingent on the idea that we might intentionally bring enough of then here to democratically overthrow our way of life?

Actually, no. You misunderstood me. We have more than enough Muslims in the United States to bring a few thousands into a little place in Iowa. If it turns out that everybody lives together in sweetness and light, doesn't that solve one problem?

a reply to: jonnywhite
There are about 100 US individuals associated with ISIS and Syria they are trying to track,there are currently 2.6 million Muslims in the USA worldwide the radicalised percentage is about 7 percent that would give you a target audience of about 182,000 and ISIS are very good at multimedia and propaganda heck you can even get t-shirts and hoodies.I dont think you can poo-poo a potential threat.

IMO op, i think its pretty simply. Never trust the religious.

Religious people can justify all sorts of horrible things by invoking their "God". They may seem like a completely normal and grounded person, but through their religion they can be easily flipped from grounded to blow up your family crazy.

Every generation has its "boogey man".

The Muslims
The Reds
The Nazis
The French
The British
The Spaniards
The Romans
The Christians
The Pagans
The Mongolians
The Persians
The Egyptians
etc
etc
etc


Fear keeps the masses in check so the rulers can roll in and (cough) save the day (cough).

a reply to: charles1952

We already have enough? And yet here I am without my beard, seeing and occasionally interacting with burkha wearing women on public streets with no escort. Apparently your argument is invalid unless you can trick me into suggesting that we give away Iowa to people who aren't trying to take it. I hope you didn't spend much time on your devious logical trap- Don Knotts feels your pain.

Meanwhile in my home town, Muslim population somewhere between 0.0 and 0.1% things are still definitely not sweetness and light anyway, so there goes the other half of your trap. I suppose the people of Dearborn MI have somehow radiated their Muslim anti-light-sweetness all the way back to the Mojave Desert which would perhaps make you right after all though.

Lets stop trying to outsmart eachother since one of us is going to really start to hate that game when he figures out who is winning it. Instead let's get basic.

You say you don't fear anyone. You say things are as good as they are with Muslims already here. You and I lack the ability to bring in the couple extra who you think hypothetically might turn Cornhole, Iowa into Kandahar. So what is the tangible problem here at home that you wish to solve, and who exactly if anyone has to be harmed to solve it?

a reply to: charles1952

Interesting question but I think just one test wouldn't show anything much. You'd need multiple sets to generate data points to determine trend and average.

In this test, what type muslims would one put in the set? Would we use "westernized muslims" or pluck them from the Middle East? I mean I can imagine the survey to fill out for test control having an extremist saying "death to american scum" on that survey and admitted in a test set in an american small town.

The idea of the test just need polishing a bit IMHO, but we already have a testbed with plenty of history to go from already which is playing out now right before everyone's eyes.