Yeah - Capitalism

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: MALBOSIA

In order for YOUR system to work, you'd need to get rid of the Central Banking System.

Um, okay. Short of a nuclear war or alien invasion or zombie apocalypse (my favorite) it's not going to happen.

That wasn't the point. The point is this sucks and it COULD be better. At least we agrer on the impossibility of ousting the central banking cartel.

a reply to: grainofsand

i too come from entrepreneurship and a very well off family, i do however see a need for a change. Regardless of how how we feel i believe that change is coming.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

I'm going to paraphrase Winston Churchill.

Capitalism is the worst style of economics, until you compare it to everything else.

a reply to: MALBOSIA
Hmm, no effort then, just right place, right time, right networking?
I am pleased for you to have been able to succeed through such little effort.
...but effort is the gamechanger for folk who aren't as lucky as you to succeed from right place, right time, right networking. Effort can achieve much when it is strong.
Perhaps you disagree again.

It's the Bank for International Settlements

Look at all those members.

Very collective.

And the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision is suspiciously NWO.

The Basel Committee on Banking Supervision provides a forum for regular cooperation on banking supervisory matters. Its objective is to enhance understanding of key supervisory issues and improve the quality of banking supervision worldwide.

then google " Federal Reserve Basel Committee " and see what jumps up like a turkey.



The small non-corporation businesses don't have the power. Neither do the single stockholder and small corporations.

Only the International Marxist/Corporatists do.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: sheepslayer247

When you remove profit, set artificial standards, take away the ability to earn on your own, you end up with housing projects.

Only you wish to see this done nation-wide.

Remove the incentive to do better and you see the results.

The Glorious Dictatorship of Sheepslayer may have good intentions, all beneficent good-hearted peoples do, but you are creating a nation-wide welfare state.

I would want to part of it, personally.

Perhaps you have highlighted the central issue here. Greed. Man is only motivated by "whats it in for him". Capitalism is based on greed. Yes, it can be motivating to many, but it's overall premise is to separate others from their wealth. Therefore, there must be a lower class of poor people.

I think think we could take away the profit aspect and still motivate people to work hard, but it would require a step up in morality on all our parts.

a reply to: TechniXcality
I came from a poor family, it was entrepreneurship and effort which created an improved life for my son compared to my own childhood.
...I have the same opportunities, in a UK capitalist society with a comfortable 'socialist' safety net, as everyone else.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: MALBOSIA
Hmm, no effort then, just right place, right time, right networking?
I am pleased for you to have been able to succeed through such little effort.
...but effort is the gamechanger for folk who aren't as lucky as you to succeed from right place, right time, right networking. Effort can achieve much when it is strong.
Perhaps you disagree again.

I disagree in a sense that there simply isnt enough for everyone. If everybody tried as hard as they honestly could there would be just as many "failures" as we see today. It would make no difference as a whole.

And why should I make 150k for reading a blueprint. The guy that builds it is worth way more in my opinion but I know people in the office so... it is not my companies fault. They have to be competitive to stay alive but our salaries never seem to go down as fast and often as wages.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

No.

(You're wrong )

Greed utilizes capitalism, true.

But the ability to better yourself, to have more, to create a better life isn't "greedy".

Muammar Gaddafi got the mix right between Capitalism and Communism.

So they killed him.

a reply to: grainofsand

i agree with you, and of course it was. Not everyone makes those same efforts and a lot of people get stuck which creates an apathetic society also money is funneled into the top echelon, and money equals resource. In principle there is nothing wrong with this however in application it creates, us and them mentality and disintegration of the republic by the inside out.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: sheepslayer247

No.

(You're wrong

)

Greed utilizes capitalism, true.

But the ability to better yourself, to have more, to create a better life isn't "greedy".

Does "bettering yourself" rely on services from those that could not afford the same service? I'm trying to jump on you and say that is greedy but is it fair? Somebody has to perform services that they can't afford themselves regardless of any ones motivation. This system works so that enough people are desperate enough to perform services they could never afford.

a reply to: MALBOSIA
So you enjoy the benefits of a high-paying career in a capitalist society but whinge about the system that provides the fremework for your chilled life?
Sorry, but I just don't get that.

originally posted by: Dingo80
Muammar Gaddafi got the mix right between Capitalism and Communism.

So they killed him.

And now everyone calls him a monster. Libya was the happiest country in Africa and maybe even the world. A leader that gave more to his people than himself. They killed him because he wanted to trade in African dinar but your point is still very very valid

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: MALBOSIA
So you enjoy the benefits of a high-paying career in a capitalist society but whinge about the system that provides the fremework for your chilled life?
Sorry, but I just don't get that.

Because some one is going to get the job anyway regardless of my morals. From this position I am of better use to those I care much more about. I am part of our health and safety committee which I would not have as much sway in if I was regular staff. I'm here, I don't believe I deserve it but while I am I do what I cam to make those that could have easily have been me life a little safer at least.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Sounds "Authoritatively" cozy.



How would you handle the "Individualists" ?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: MALBOSIA

I'm going to paraphrase Winston Churchill.

Capitalism is the worst style of economics, until you compare it to everything else.

I can't argue that, but...

If we are talking about creating a better system I think we could shape it better through communism or socialism than capitalism. Too many individual interests at stake in capitalism and your right the American constitution would never allow it.

what should we do Beezer? Im not challenging you but if you could imagine something better, what would it be?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Oh. Now you want fair?

Gimme your money, make it "fair". (I jest)

Fairness is arbitrary. Fairness is usually brought up when someone has more than another and it isn't "fair".

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: MALBOSIA

I'm going to paraphrase Winston Churchill.

Capitalism is the worst style of economics, until you compare it to everything else.

I can't argue that, but...

If we are talking about creating a better system I think we could shape it better through communism or socialism than capitalism. Too many individual interests at stake in capitalism and your right the American constitution would never allow it.

Communism and socialism ignore or inhibit individuality. I like individuality. I am a cantankerous old fart. I like it that way.

what should we do Beezer? Im not challenging you but if you could imagine something better, what would it be?

Honest answer? Dunno. I'd have to give that some thought.