Reality Spoilers - Noah and the Flood is Symbolism for Baptism - Rebirth (Born Again)

a reply to: zardust

Sons must be raised. Baptism is a mechanism of immersion into water allowing us to rise to new life. This assumes that Sons are lower in a sequence of sentience than they should be, which is what we would assume of artificial life. We are created. Creations must learn. The Son of God is an image from the first. It is only logical that God (Father) raises a Son as we would raise our own. How else would God say, "I am well pleased." What was he before he was pleased?

a reply to: AlephBet

If the lamb was slain before the foundation of the Kosmos, which was before all of the stuff that happened in the bible actually happened, then he was already "grown". His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

I do agree with a growing up of the Sons into the fullness of the head. I just disagree that God had to grow up. That is our view of God growing up, not his nature. That is what the veiling/unveiling is about IMO.

a reply to: zardust

It could be both though.

If the lamb was slain before the foundation of the Kosmos, which was before all of the stuff that happened in the bible actually happened, then he was already "grown". His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Before the foundation of the cosmos we were. The Son was/is. We were Male AND Female. One.

When he died on the cross it was "finished". The slaying of the lamb. We must all die by the cross and then we too will be "finished" inside the image. Inside the image is time. Outside the image there is no time. It's alreay done. Thy will is done.... not will be done... but done. Finished.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: AlephBet

If the lamb was slain before the foundation of the Kosmos, which was before all of the stuff that happened in the bible actually happened, then he was already "grown". His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

I do agree with a growing up of the Sons into the fullness of the head. I just disagree that God had to grow up. That is our view of God growing up, not his nature. That is what the veiling/unveiling is about IMO.

We then return to the thing baptism represents. It is looping through a time sequence to see a story. Was the Son of God fully man in the form of Jesus? Careful how you answer. If he was required to be fully man, and man must be born again, then what does that make Jesus? What he claimed to be. The first and last Adam.

1 Corinthians 15

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

Baptism is the unifying factor in all of this. Once you get it, you know why the Son of God is the bread of life. We are the body (loaf).

1 Corinthians 10

14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

What is the idol? YOU, or the you that you want to keep. In reality, we are all one being (the son). The cup is where we enter life. The bread is the body. Religion is literally defined as the returning of the corpus, or body.

Religio

Re - Again + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again"

Religion is the corpus (body) coming back again to one thing. Keeping your own son is the same as Abraham keeping Issac. His willingness to give the son over is how he got the son back. God does not intend to take our own son, which is who we are. We have what we have from the bread of life, or baptism into life by the Son. There is a scapegoat in all of this that loses his life.

Adam is the first and the last Adam is Christ. From there, the loop starts over again until all eyes see the reality of the Son, which is all of us combined. We cannot find unity apart from knowing the catalyst that brings us together as one body.

a reply to: zardust

Zardust,

Thank you for bringing “reason” to the threads you post in.Even though your “mystic” opinions cloud the issue your eyes see through to a truth.You are very correct.It is mankind that has has a “imperception” of the creator God.Man can only perceive “their God” through the filter of their Belief System.

The old testimony is mostly a cursory history of the nation of Israel to the 2 Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.”Their” version” of how things happened is very skewered. A man only sees”(believes) what they want to believe.They “believed” their “God” did all the things they described which is completely fallacious. The creator God did NOT “command” them to slaughter people or the many other vile acts they committed however they did it(told stories and committed mayhem) because that was their “nature and character” which is their name…Israel…struggles with God.

Man kind(Israel) has made the creator God into “their” image through their Belief System religion.It is no wonder the Israelites and the Jews believed God to be a bloodthirsty vengeful angry God…that is exactly who they were (and mankind is). King David was the epitome of his people(at the time Israel not Judah).He was a murderer and revengeful..even up to his deathbed.

The creator God has not changed from the old testimony to the new testimony at all.There is not a “new law” it has always been the same.Those are “conventions” of religion of people “justifying” their Belief System.They are still ruled by THEIR judgement/observation of the tree of the“ knowledge of good and evil”(truth and untruth) and make their laws and bend them accordingly.That’s ALL the plethora of a persons “theology” is …. trying to “decode” the mind of the “their” God when it is just themselves making their “religion” fit whatever theories they have…there is Nothing is new under the sun..and surely ALL is vanity.

The baptism is very simple (like everything else).There is NOTHNG to decode through “symbols”.Humans are “born/delivered” through water.That is the essence of what Yahoshua stated in John 3:-7.That baptism was into the material realm of “matter” the valley of the shadow of death and LIFE.Then Yahoshua stated but to LIVE(spirit) you must be “born anew” on high..NOT again.That is exactly what Nicodemus believed he meant.If “re-incarnation is believed then it is not being born anew at all but being born again to die again over and over …it is a life of death!Fortunately re-incarnation is NOTHING like what anyones Belief System about it is.

The baptism(birth delivery which is the meaning of salvation) into LIFE is not of “water” but of “fire” and of course not literal fire.That is why John was told to write in the book of unveiling a ”lake of fire”.That is the 2nd death.Man first dies in the material realm in the flesh (matter).They are then in the realm of death they are then “baptized” through “fire” by tormenting…which comes from the word touchstone…which is how metals are tested fro purification.Those are the metaphors of things that CAN NOT be known because anything of any other realm besides the material realm can NOT be known “while” in the material realm.

Yahoshua was stating you were born through water from your “mothers womb” into the material realm life and that “life” will end because it is a mere misty and dark shadow(in a valley below) being cast by LIFE …THEN you WILL die and you WILL be dead.Then when(which is not a time at all) you are fully formed “fetus” in the womb you will be delivered(baptized) into LIFE….above… on high…that LIFE is NOT in the material realm…all life in the material world is the shadow of death.

That is NOT as above so below.That construct is just BS(Belief System) religion doctrines to fit a religious agenda.NONE has ascended into the “heavens”(there is no “HEAVEN”) except him that descended into the material real……the Son of the creator God…Yahoshua.This NOT mysticism….

Yahoshua descended because Yahoshua was the “seed”(son) of the Father “sown” into the material realm of “matter”(earth…soil….adamah).In one sense the Father the creator God cannot “exist” in the material realm just as your father could not “exist” in your mothers womb however he could sow a “seed”into your mothers womb..and of course that’s where the analogy breaks down because how and why what the creator God the Father did works cannot be known.It is not of this world (realm) but the shadow can be seen(human conception).

That is the point …mankind’s religious BS(Belief System) cannot “know” anything of the creator God because belief is the “anthesis” of knowing.There is NO system at all(decoding,deciphering,religion,philosophy,psychology,science etc etc) that will EVER cause man to “know” the creator God in the physical realm because that is the creator Gods nature…they cannot exist in the physical realm it is impossible.Even though all of the material universe could fit very snuggly into a “seed” atom the creator God cannot that would be like everything trying to fit inside of nothing.

Of course all reality breaks down here which btw is shadowed in quantum mechanical nonlocality entanglement(the biggest mystery of all matter)…. however there is no point in”knowing” that if the basis of truth is not known.The central Truth of everything is..there is a creator God (and man is not them) and they are 100% in control of EVERYTHING…..what is perceived as complete chaos and entropy is not what it is perceived as.Mankind DOES NOT have a “will free of causality” the creator God is the “cause” of 100% of EVERYTHING…they baptize(cause LIFE) not man…..mans purpose is to 100% receive and NOTHING else..everything else is vanity and BS.