Creation Vs Creationism

originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: iSomeone

Baptism is does symbolize immersion into the water of life. We are here now, baptized into the flood of Noah as beasts in an ark.

1 Peter 3

19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.

In Peter's own words, baptism symbolizes what it means to be born again. Jesus said it in John 3. You MUST be born again. He was the firstfruits of those who rise form the dead. He made proclamation to them in the pit, then brought them out again on dry land in the waters of life. Baptism symbolizes this. We symbolize this when we are baptized in church, but the fact of the symbol is our on involution and evolution in the material world.

Read my linked thread on the letters and words of creation.

What exactly are you bringing to this conversation? Seriously pal, to me it sounds like cryptic hoo ha.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Starbucks

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Starbucks

it has to be to prevent evolution to death. since we see all species are alive and well in spite of evolution towerds death can only explained by intelligent desighn which had already been seen and existant.

the number of species alive today are HEAVILY outweighed by the number that have gone extinct since the birth of life on this planet. and more species are lost with every hour that passes. thousands of endangered lifeforms will be extinct by this time tomorrow. evolution does not guarantee survival. you would know that if you did your research.

thanks krazy. not sure it will do any good though.

and three thousand new species are added every day in recent years out of a sudden after scientists categorized all species 70 years ago. does not sound like evolution, but creation

are you suggesting that these organisms are popping out of thin air? again, please define "creation". are we talking about the magical process wherein a species is supernaturally manifested from a pile of nothing whatsoever? or evolution as viewed through a theology-tinted lens?

yes they popping out of thin air, since scientists discovered and catalohued all existing species from mosquitos to deep sea bacteria and even drwn them and finsihed the job 70 years ago, and then 20 years ago they started discovering new species they estimate according to sample and statistics they should be 3000 new species a day.

creation.

a reply to: [post=18323672]Starbucks[/post
Wow. Just wow. You are just trolling aren't you? No one can really be that uneducated and still be able to log in to a web site without help.

a reply to: Starbucks

yes they popping out of thin air, since scientists discovered and catalohued all existing species from mosquitos to deep sea bacteria and even drwn them and finsihed the job 70 years ago, and then 20 years ago they started discovering new species they estimate according to sample and statistics they should be 3000 new species a day.

creation.

remember when i posted this?

"the huge overarching problem with theism is that more often than not, god is a place holder for someones ignorance. context many times reveals god-belief to be a symptom of intellectual stagnance, a refusal to find an actual answer, and thats what stinks."

i rest my case.

yea sure i get it..

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originally posted by: Starbucks
yea sure i get it..

not

what are you not getting? maybe we can explain it to you.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Starbucks
yea sure i get it..

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what are you not getting? maybe we can explain it to you.

your unrelated response

a reply to: helldiver

What exactly are you bringing to this conversation? Seriously pal, to me it sounds like cryptic hoo ha.

The same book that tells you we are created also tells you how we evolve. It's a concept called involution and evolution. The bible calls it baptism. We are BOTH created and evolve. This is why we see both sides. The answer is both. Evolution is a result and not a cause. Programming is the cause, which I explain here: Letters of Creation

you must be the Tzar of your domain. rock on

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TzarChasm

99% of all species on the planet have gone extinct

Does that help?

Do you know what the genesis of this statistic is? It's become somewhat gospel, while only an estimate.
I see it copied and pasted all over the world wide web, ATS included, yet can't seem to find out where it's originated from.
There seems to be an association to a Mark Newman, but the link to the source in Wikipedia is dead. All other sources lead to his book....

Just wondering why this is such a parroted statistic.

god create species give them life and time slot on earth and then he creates more and more. they all extinct because they had their light of day and their time slot.

extincting of 99% proof evolution could not help ( if it ever existed)
darwin was a human turned into a chimpanzee looking human by the creation of god.

originally posted by: iSomeone
a reply to: Krazysh0t


And life has not been on earth billions of years as you claim. Also, the millions of years life has been on earth, has not given it sufficient time to create the complexities we see in life. There in is your enigma.

The earliest indications of life on earth are in 3.5 billion year old sedimentary rock. The oldest uncontested life is 2.7 billin years old. So yes, the earliest life did in fact begin billions of years ago.

originally posted by: iSomeone
a reply to: Starbucks

Will repeat what was stated in the OP:

"And this is where so many get it wrong. Creationism is a belief that the six creative days in Genesis one had to be literal. That is God created the earth and the universe, and everything in them about six thousand years ago, in six literal 24-hour days. "

Creationists believe that the Bible states that the entire universe was created around six thousand years ago, in six twenty-four hour days.

Creationism is NOT taught in the Bible.

Creationists do not merely believe in God. They believe this extremely narrow-minded and dreadfully inaccurate portrait of the Bible, which actually detracts from the truth.

Evolutionists will constantly chide on that fact. That is all.

The rest of the thread was just explaining the Genesis account from a scientifically accurate point of view.

the day of god is different from the day of man and also different from the day of angels.
evolutionists are scientists who prove evolution is wrong and a withful thinking of the evolutionists who evolve around themselves in a day of 2 hours (the day to satan their master)

originally posted by: Starbucks

originally posted by: helldiver
a reply to: iSomeone

More preachy nonsense. 50,000 chromosomes in the human body huh? More like 46.

a good example of intelligent design is humans making breaeds of dogs since ancient times. these breeds never exsited in nature by evolution but by humans (intelligent beings) doing intelligent design on dogs and wolves.

and they are still dogs!

or canines.

how did neanderthal dna is highest in haplogroup k ( frensh, Melanesians, Chinese Han) .
Both Neanderthal and Frensh and blond melanesians share red hare mutation. Neanderthal and europpeans share Lactose intolerance mutation. finally blue eyes mutations?

the fact thousands of apes remains found in any given pit a million year ago while ancient humans only a finger for dinosivan, a skeleton for Peking man, etc.

why advanced species like genus homo died out after living 7 million years leaving only one man Adam as a bottle neck in recent history. while current chimps have branches of most recent common ancestors dating back millions of years.

All these evidence elimiate Evolution leaving Creationism (proven existant in GM genetic modification by intelligent design of humans) as the only explanation for the origin of species.

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Excellent read. I was just talking about how very few actually believe the earth is 6,000 years old. And the Bible definitively doesn't teach that.

As far as the chromosomes. You meant proteins. But I understood that as well.

The amazing thing is about the creative days in Genesis and how science does not contradict them. No one brings up this. Amazing and well put.

originally posted by: iSomeone
On the first day there is darkness on the earth. That is NO light from the already existing luminaries in the sky, the sun, the moon, or the stars cannon penetrate to the surface? Why is this? NO DOUBT because the earths atmosphere is thick, perhaps like that of a sister-planet Venus, in this stage in its development:

(Genesis 1:2) . . .Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

So earth pop out of nothing, formless and desolote with a lot of water in the beginning? No fire to melt iron mineral from surface?
Then please explain how earth inner core is made of solid iron while the outer core is made of liquid iron-nickel. Where do this metal come from and how do they form earth core?

6 24 hour periods. No... A day period is relative to the amplitude and frequency of orbit and rotation. A 24 hour period was irrelevant to God before or during Earths creation.


What was a day to god, before Earth? Depends on how fast he spins? How long is a year to God? *Relativity should show us the radius of his orbit if we had an answer?