Consider Anonymous.

Alright, so I've a bit of time and wanted to throw a situation out there for my first thread here. The other day i was sitting with a friend of mine having a discussion and we flowed onto the subject of Anonymous one way or the other. Since I first heard of Anonymous I can say that I somehow supported the idea of a hacktivist group willing to actually take some initiative and fight for the right and true in this world where that happens all too rarely. So I was slightly shocked to hear this particular friend of mine make known his disdain for Anonymous. I was surprised because hes a very like minded individual and I suppose I just assumed he'd feel the same way I did.

Well continuing on, when i asked him why he felt this way he told me that he felt there was an ulterior motive behind Anonymous. That perhaps it wasnt all it seemed to be. Well needless to say this threw me into some huge conspiracy kick and the gears started turning...

What possible ulterior motive could there be for Anonymous? This is a group that from what I've seen at least tend to at least be trying to do the right things as they see fit. Well I thought about it for a while and wanted to throw this out there and see what others might think.

Think of the future pertaining to the whole conspiracy of a NWO and a Unified international Government, what would be this super powers most valuable asset in these times? Well technology right? If you've the man power, the artiliary, the nukes, ect, ect, who is it that could really do any real damage to you? Hackers. Right?

So what if, Anonymous is really something set up by some entity in order to pinpoint those talented enough and brazen enough to stand up against the norm, and against the authority, so when the time comes they'll know exactly who is a risk.

And not only that but they did it ingeniously as well, this is an Anonymous group, it could be anyone, anywhere they made it so ridiculously easy for someone to plug into this group. No having to join. You feel like being Anonymous today? Go ahead...

a reply to: Sin011001

First off they are "Anonymous", no one but those who are actually in the group knows who they are!

Secondly, we have seen how the government infiltrates ANY group that may be considered as an oppositional force against the status quo of the criminality of our government officials.

Look at OWS, the Tea Party, ALL INFILTRATED!!!!

My take on it is simply this, the government is trying to take total control over the internet, so why not have all kinds of HACKING incidents and volatile situations happen with "Anonymous" being the culprit behind it?

As with everything else that has been orchestrated to take our freedoms or give "THEM" more control over us, we have to take off our blinders when we start seeing things being done by "Anonymous"!!!!

After all, anyone can be "Anonymous" until they are caught!

Think about it.........

a reply to: seeker1963

I had not thought of the benefit of not being infiltrated. This is not a small benefit in this day and age.

However, are we certain that everything being attributed to anonymous is actually anonymous? Because its not as of they have their names out there or being accountable for their actions.

It just seems that everything that starts out good to make a difference ends up being warped and discredited so that less people will pay attention.

Anonymous is not a government entity of any kind. It got started on 4chan a while back. Theres some youtube videos about the scientology days that can be found with a quick google search.

That being said there have been many feds, rats, and plants trying to bust anonymous participants for a long time. If you log onto the IRC hosted at AnonOps you will learn quickly that there are probably as many feds on the network, as people there for ops.

Jeremy Hammond would have never been locked away, BarretBrown, the Paypal 14... You can thank the feds for that. Oh and a guy who called himself Sabu.

Thanks for weighing in guys. Appreciate the feedback


I understand that everyones anonymous and im not saying that these are government workers. Im simply saying what better way to see who has the ballz to stand up to authority then create some self righteous group like that. I mean the appeal of being almost a "crime fighter" could be enough to make someone perhaps fight for a certain cause.

And with all the technology at the governments disposal no one can stay Anonymous forever, right?

So i suppose really the premise was that perhaps the government can much more easily then we think track a hacker and in a way pinpoint that information for later use.

a reply to: seeker1963

I think they have tried with fake Anonymous video statements, though I doubt they are vulnerable to being infiltrated like other social movements in the past. So far the only tactic against them has been slander and a few isolated arrests of 'hactivists'.

The fact is the masses no longer have faith in the government and police state for justice so there is a need for a superhero in a figurative way. In some ways Anonymous has filled this role. Some applaud their actions, some even consider them an extremist movement.

I personally think the Anonymous movement is more likely to infiltrate those trying to infiltrate them than being infiltrated.

While Anonymous initially started with the intent of making the world a better place (means by which are subject to debate), it has been infiltrated. Some members of Anonymous have been caught, threatened, coerced, bribed, or forced under duress to continue their activities in a manner commensurate with the will of the hegemony. Anonymous is alive and well, and does not reflect the will of the people, as if it ever did.

Years ago I thought the Anonymous concept was awesome. However when these fools started hacking into secure networks that control power and water systems I rapidly changed my mind. And so did DHS... So, those guys got caught and every last one of them ratted the other out until everyone was in Federal custody.

Hacking into the FBI computer isn't too smart anyway, the only impact it had was to get a ton of our taxpayer funds diverted to prevent it.

Now Anonymous is a non-factor. Besides how are three unemployed 40 year olds living in their Moms basement dropping stupid # on the Internet going to change the world?

I add Anonymous to the mindless troll set along with Sharpton, Jackson and Ventura.

An infiltration into Anon would be pointless, there is no "leadership". There are known members that are more talented then others, but their vote doesnt count for anymore then anothers. You could decided to participate today and your vote would have just the same amount of pull as another. Given, there are small "Sects" within Anon that of course have setup their own hierarchy and that is their choice, but that is not Anon. Sabu was "sort of" leading Lulzsec but he had no great power within the collective of Anon. The whole point behind Anon is that anyone can bring something to the table and people that believe it to be a true cause can develop a plan based on that idea. Some Anon members do not participate in the political side of things at all. There are groups that are strictly dedicated to removing child pornography from servers. There are also ones that are completely black hat and are only after financial gain. Having an agent on the "inside" would only allow them to monitor activities and possibly identify specific people. The ones that are extremely talented tread lightly to maintain their anonymity . As far as ulterior motives.... well the group only does what that group decides is right, so any motives were there within those people before they decided to join. And yes Anon was started on 4chan, originally it was a group of hackers that pulled pranks and "Did it for the lulz".

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: seeker1963

I think they have tried with fake Anonymous video statements, though I doubt they are vulnerable to being infiltrated like other social movements in the past. So far the only tactic against them has been slander and a few isolated arrests of 'hactivists'.

The fact is the masses no longer have faith in the government and police state for justice so there is a need for a superhero in a figurative way. In some ways Anonymous has filled this role. Some applaud their actions, some even consider them an extremist movement.

I personally think the Anonymous movement is more likely to infiltrate those trying to infiltrate them than being infiltrated.

I agree! But I guess I am not being clear enough.

Anyone, can post a Youtube video or a statement and claim to be "Anonymous" government included.......

Anonymous is nothing but a arm of the Jihadis movement in the middle east.

They only attack western infrastructures, Israel and Intl banking systems.

anonymous is nothing but a terrorist organization that has more in common with ISIS than true freedom.

a reply to: scattergun

Those 'secure' networks that were 'hacked' were likely anything but secure. Perhaps anonymous exposed some vulnerabilities that needed patching up.

I remember some time ago that the FBI busted a couple of hackers that may have had ties to anonymous and made an announcement that they caught those responsible and anonymous was done. It only took a few hours before the FBI was hacked after that announcement.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

When i said i liked laughter i was hardly expecting this. You are my new favorite, ChesterJohn. I think you may be the biggest fail troll on this board.

LOL, really incredibly funny observations.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: ChesterJohn

When i said i liked laughter i was hardly expecting this. You are my new favorite, ChesterJohn. I think you may be the biggest fail troll on this board.

LOL, really incredibly funny observations.

to each our own.

The facts stand for themselves on who anonymous attacks. Just because non jihadis are used to attack the computer infrastructures of the US, the western nations, banks, med facilities and other national service infrastructure does not make them any less compliant with the goals they are attaining for the Jihadis.

Anonymous means you don't know who you are working for and in this case it is clear, ISLAM.

Ahhh baloney, everyone knows Paul Fetch is the leader of Anonymous.

The only way anon would work as a government puppet is if people keep thinking they are a tangible group, and not a group of mostly like minded individuals.

There was so much branching off for separate reasons, there is no way anyone can still think they are one group, all hiding behind guy fawkes masks and chanting how legion they are.

One guy in one country can hack into somewhere and say "Look me, Im anon!!" and another in another country can hack into his and say "lol noob" and no one is anywhere near this 'collective'...

but the idea, when they do engage in a single minded effort, that is what it is... and no.. the government cant achieve that. so petty frivolous attacks on systems? taking down a web page?

if people think that is what anonymous is about, or is capable of.. well, as I said, paul fetch is your man...

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: scattergun

Those 'secure' networks that were 'hacked' were likely anything but secure. Perhaps anonymous exposed some vulnerabilities that needed patching up.

I remember some time ago that the FBI busted a couple of hackers that may have had ties to anonymous and made an announcement that they caught those responsible and anonymous was done. It only took a few hours before the FBI was hacked after that announcement.

And they obviously got back in, but what impact did it have.. Did Anon accomplish anything but busting through a firewall? I guess I just can not see any firm agenda coming from them. And the fact that they could be fed disinformation is high.

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What They Are Capable Of

Heh.

Anonymous for the most part, is controlled by government minders. Starting in 2007 after some very revealing information was leaked and several big wig corporations had their company sites hacked, the FBI and NSA cracked down on the most active and skilled users. For most of them, it was artificially inserted child pornography onto their computers.

They could either agree to cooperate or they would get raided and thrown in jail.

Most agreed to help them. Nothing too malicious, just tips and notifications to any big events planned.

Some didn't. The true creators of anonymous as a entity refused to betray their fellow comrades. They called the fed's bluff and called wrong. Several of them were arrested with enough evidence to lock them up for the rest of their lives. Some fled their home country to continue their activities abroad.

Some anonymous benefactor paid for the best legal defense available in the arrested members home countries. They all received reduced sentences. The jail terms for almost all of them will expire by 2016.

The feds were alerted to their identities by traitors. Two of them started the whole concept of an anonymous tool of justice in order to become cyber security experts for the government. They took the promise of a big paycheck and job security over the plight of their friends. They were greedy. They thought themselves above justice and retribution because they would become part of the government.

Sabu and the other traitors will get what's coming to them.

Because one of the members received a 15 minute warning from a highly placed, highly paid individual in the federal government. They nuked their hard drives and destroyed any and all evidence linking them to the group anonymoose. They learned who the traitors were from that same individual and got into contact with the other members. To discuss an epic revenge plan. So grand that the whole world would know who did and that it was done for the lulz.

Starting in 2016, incriminating evidence and the smoking guns that you guys were always waiting for will be released every year until finally the world burns with righteous revolution.

That's the best part about being anonymous. No one can ever decidedly say it was you who did anything