State of Emergency Declared in Ferguson - Curfew from 12 am to 5am - Now National Guard

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OptimusCrime

They were breaking a law that had no reason to be in affect. That is what exercising your rights is all about, if they try take it away, you refuse and stand up for your rights.
And threat to fight with the police is pretty speculative.
The police struck first

"No right to be in affect"

Read my post above this.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

And when the molotov was thrown at Chop Suey restaurant, you could also see multiple protesters running to put it out. Vice's footage has that event recorded.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Still doesn't change the fact that protesters broke the law and threatened to have another fight with the police.

I can't believe that this sentence has been said about american citizens.
It's not against the law to protest especially if the law is unjust

a reply to: DancedWithWolves

Exercise extreme caution.

We don't know for sure what's going on here.

The Capt and the Governor are paramount in making "Police Decisions".

The last thing we need now is to be stabbed in the back.

Where is #Occupy.Ferguson ??

a reply to: OptimusCrime

There a was shooting last night and someone had to go to the hospital in critical condition. It's been confirmed that no officer fired his or her weapon. The last update to that story was at 2:30 today so I don't know if that story has changed, but someone was shot. That along with a firebombing is enough to piss off cops to put you under a curfew and enforce it.

But everything you just mentioned happened AFTER they enforced a curfew? So i am confused on why you are using it as a reason to implement one...

What acts of destruction resulted in what property damage on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday (last night) nights out there?

Don't want to answer this question huh?

originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OptimusCrime

How about the curfew and suspending of the first amendment, unless of course you put your name on a list, after midnight.
People were peacefully protesting until the cops escalated the situation.
I'll ask again, did you want the live feeds last night or would you just rather assume that you already know what was going on.

I've been reading every single thread on ats about the "situation" and watched the videos so you shouldn't be the one to assume. You're a hypocrite and a criminal apologist. I've said it time and again, if people want to riot, loot, kick police cars and shout obscenities about another race then you lose your protest rights. IMO, there should be no protesting allowed until the 100's of people who destroyed that town are turned in and the stores fixed as well as property owners paid back for their losses. But no, you want to avoid that topic all together because it doesn't fit with your theme.

Okay how about we take away everyone's driving privileges until all those drunks or inattentive drivers STOP the illegal behaviors and pay for all the damages they've caused! Send in the military to get everyone off the road until sufficient roadblocks can be set up to give every single driver a sobriety test. Sheeezeeee....
I have yet to see anyone apologizing for criminals---I've seen pretty much universal condemnation of the actions of the thugs and scumbags who have arrived to take advantage of a terrible situation.
What you and others of your mindset seem to REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE is that these instigators are not from the neighborhood. All the store owners who have been interviewed acknowledge this. If, as you claim, you've followed every thread, you've seen the videos and yet you persist in saying that the community members are looking their neighborhood. That's the same old sad excuse I heard in the '60s during the civil rights marches. I had hoped that with improved media these race-war pimps would have been exposed and dismissed for the bigots they are, but NO, there are still plenty of folks left out there, like you, who snap up that bait---hook, line and sinker.

You're not adding anything to this conversation other than name calling and CAPITAL LETTERS.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

Oh, I'm very well aware of last nights events. I was watching every moment, save for trips to the bathroom, from at least one and up to 3 different feeds. I'm also aware of the fact no shooting of any form was apparent and NO sense of urgency was apparent in anyone for the first several moments of firing "smoke" and CS gas into the crowd down the street from McD's. The primary feed I enjoyed was close enough to hear the chatter of the cops next to the armored vehicles, and looking downrange to the same view they had. It was fascinating in that way.

So...you suggest the crime came to cause the curfew and not the other way around? I'm taking this night by night...by the way, as I learned to after being in something like this. Every evening has it's own feel and sense to the outcome. Some nights were violent..and some like Wednesday? What provoked the response? I saw the bottle thrown ...which then triggered a full response with military grade weapons and outright gunfire with rubber bullets. Last night..what provoked it? I HEAR them explain it ..but then I watch my recordings again ..and it isn't supported by what my lyin' eyes report to me.

The efforts to make this overkill sound proper leave me confused...especially when I will agree 100% that the lawlessness HAS TO BE STOPPED, as much as anyone says it. The response, however, is WORSE than what it seeks to stop.

The goons in body armor and carrying M-4 automatic rifles scare me a hell of a lot more than any protester or Panther with a .38 in their back pocket.

Wrabbit2000

It's not JUST the original shooting anymore. It's the two nights of military style response. It's the cops roaring up the street, driving over the memorial in the street and PARKING ON TOP OF IT just after the shooting to aggressively try and force people to "move along now...nothing to see here ..or else". Well... The community took to that about like I would have ..and we still see the confrontation now with all that has been done

OMG - I had missed that the police chose to defile the memorial, it would seem the police are the animals!

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: OptimusCrime

And when the molotov was thrown at Chop Suey restaurant, you could also see multiple protesters running to put it out. Vice's footage has that event recorded.

I didn't say all the protesters are bad, I've been over this already. Is this the only thing you people have against me is false accusations?

I said the ones that are bad are causing the rest to have issues. What's your point?

a reply to: xuenchen

Where you listening to Tim Pools live stream last night, here on ATS, on this thread?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OptimusCrime

There a was shooting last night and someone had to go to the hospital in critical condition. It's been confirmed that no officer fired his or her weapon. The last update to that story was at 2:30 today so I don't know if that story has changed, but someone was shot. That along with a firebombing is enough to piss off cops to put you under a curfew and enforce it.

But everything you just mentioned happened AFTER they enforced a curfew? So i am confused on why you are using it as a reason to implement one...

What acts of destruction resulted in what property damage on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday (last night) nights out there?

Don't want to answer this question huh?

Hence why I said "Put you in a curfew . . . and enforce it"

I did answer that question, you're selectively reading posts. See my discussion with wrabbit, i'm not repeating myself because you don't feel like reading the thread.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Oh, I'm very well aware of last nights events. I was watching every moment, save for trips to the bathroom, from at least one and up to 3 different feeds. I'm also aware of the fact no shooting of any form was apparent and NO sense of urgency was apparent in anyone for the first several moments of firing "smoke" and CS gas into the crowd down the street from McD's. The primary feed I enjoyed was close enough to hear the chatter of the cops next to the armored vehicles, and looking downrange to the same view they had. It was fascinating in that way.

So...you suggest the crime came to cause the curfew and not the other way around? I'm taking this night by night...by the way, as I learned to after being in something like this. Every evening has it's own feel and sense to the outcome. Some nights were violent..and some like Wednesday? What provoked the response? I saw the bottle thrown ...which then triggered a full response with military grade weapons and outright gunfire with rubber bullets. Last night..what provoked it? I HEAR them explain it ..but then I watch my recordings again ..and it isn't supported by what my lyin' eyes report to me.

The efforts to make this overkill sound proper leave me confused...especially when I will agree 100% that the lawlessness HAS TO BE STOPPED, as much as anyone says it. The response, however, is WORSE than what it seeks to stop.

The goons in body armor and carrying M-4 automatic rifles scare me a hell of a lot more than any protester or Panther with a .38 in their back pocket.

During the Philly riots/looting the police chief stood at the front of the crowd, no barrier or protection and said "I will give you one warning to disperse and that was it, jack. Well, a bottle went flying and that was all she wrote. Force will not be met with equal force against any cops in the world. Sucks for the person who initiated it but they should have thought first.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OptimusCrime

They didn't say it to the cops tho!
It is a comment that was said to another protestor that thanks to social media made its way out

There it is...

But a cop putting a pistol in the chest of an unarmed person, taken from their driveway, due to curfew is just fine.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Well said. If I recall correctly, weren't there a handful of protesters on their knees and with their hands up before the police? I was watching Vice's feed primarily so couldn't quite make it out but that's what he said was occurring. If that was before the police, then did those people deserve being gassed would be another question I'd ask.

And agreed on the body armor and M-4's scarier--even if those M-4's are filled with rubber bullets, those aren't paintball guns or airsoft rifles. Yet, the nights I've been watching feeds, they were getting used enough to hit two different members of the press who were across the street from each other.

Isolating and removing the lawless is absolutely necessary but broad moves that do not distinguish between press, peaceful protester and the lawless? I don't find those things acceptable.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OptimusCrime

They didn't say it to the cops tho!
It is a comment that was said to another protestor that thanks to social media made its way out

There it is...

But a cop putting a pistol in the chest of an unarmed person, taken from their driveway, due to curfew is just fine.

I can't answer for every little thing you guys google that goes down. I'll have to hire a staff to keep up with it all.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Well said. If I recall correctly, weren't there a handful of protesters on their knees and with their hands up before the police? I was watching Vice's feed primarily so couldn't quite make it out but that's what he said was occurring. If that was before the police, then did those people deserve being gassed would be another question I'd ask.

And agreed on the body armor and M-4's scarier--even if those M-4's are filled with rubber bullets, those aren't paintball guns or airsoft rifles. Yet, the nights I've been watching feeds, they were getting used enough to hit two different members of the press who were across the street from each other.

Isolating and removing the lawless is absolutely necessary but broad moves that do not distinguish between press, peaceful protester and the lawless? I don't find those things acceptable.

This is not something new. Like I said, they did the same thing in Philly.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

Wrabbit, There a was shooting last night and someone had to go to the hospital in critical condition. It's been confirmed that no officer fired his or her weapon. The last update to that story was at 2:30 today so I don't know if that story has changed, but someone was shot. That along with a firebombing is enough to piss off cops to put you under a curfew and enforce it. When shots are being fired and Molotov cocktails are being thrown, I think that warrants a higher response than normal policing.

Oh really? This was you response and you didn't touch that question with a 10 foot pole.


And what were the reasoning BEFORE the last nights events that warranted the curfew? 2 nights of looting that the cops refused to do anything about?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Wrabbit, There a was shooting last night and someone had to go to the hospital in critical condition. It's been confirmed that no officer fired his or her weapon. The last update to that story was at 2:30 today so I don't know if that story has changed, but someone was shot. That along with a firebombing is enough to piss off cops to put you under a curfew and enforce it. When shots are being fired and Molotov cocktails are being thrown, I think that warrants a higher response than normal policing.

Oh really? This was you response and you didn't touch that question with a 10 foot pole.


And what were the reasoning BEFORE the last nights events that warranted the curfew? 2 nights of looting that the cops refused to do anything about?

I don't know the reasoning, I'm not in the room when they make these plans. Why do you think they started a curfew?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: OptimusCrime

And when the molotov was thrown at Chop Suey restaurant, you could also see multiple protesters running to put it out. Vice's footage has that event recorded.

I didn't say all the protesters are bad, I've been over this already. Is this the only thing you people have against me is false accusations?

I said the ones that are bad are causing the rest to have issues. What's your point?

You pluralized the number of molotov cocktails and I was reminding that protesters also ran in to stamp it out. Perhaps if you're feeling like you're being misinterpreted by multiple people on this thread, then perhaps re-examine how you are explaining your point of view. You didn't, btw, say that in the post that I responded to. I also agree that gunshots being fired needs to be handled very much differently. The problem was that they were gassing the protesters before that single molotov was thrown or any shots were fired at all.

People assume, and rightfully, that when a firearm is pointed at them it is a serious threat toward them. The police are doing it as a normal course of business and people are supposed to be OK with it? Something is wrong with that.