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originally posted by: Diderot
a reply to: OptimusSubprime
"....Man created evil,..."
And to that I say, "Hold your horses.."
This, to me, is clearly what I would call logic that is, well, not sublime, but subprime.
Does the God that you glorify (I assume) lay the blame for evil at your mortal feet?
That would explain original sin.
When I was born, I might have slapped the doctor,
but that does not make me an original sinner.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.
originally posted by: GroidNificent
Basically the way I read Christianity is, you can do what ever the # you want to. You can rape, murder or steal. As long as you ask for forgiveness you go to heaven. Complete and utter bull#. Such a fairy tale. One of the MANY reasons I don't believe in religion.
a reply to: PaulTheDuke
One thing I always wondered was how was flipping over the money lenders tables in anger, technically not considered a sin? I know it's nothing on par with far worse crimes and Jesus obviously had good reason to do it. Maybe next time I'm at the bank I'll start throwing things around. Only thing is I doubt the cops that will inevitably show up won't take my answer of "WWJD" as a good enough excuse for my antics.
originally posted by: occrest
I keep reading on this site peoples claims that Yah did not create evil. This is a false assumption. He tells us himself in the book of Isaiah.
Isaiah 45:6-7 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
To make the claim otherwise would be to call Yahuwah a liar.
Original sin is inherited, and is different from personal sin. I never really understood this concept until I became a father. I will never forget the first time my son lied to me when he was 2 years old. I saw that he had colored on the wall with a crayon, and even though it was obvious that he did it, I asked him if he did and he told me no. Even at 2 years old he thought to lie in order to protect himself, because lying and other sins are a natural part of the human condition.
originally posted by: windword
People just make it up as they go along, ignoring whatever biblical passage doesn't fit into the world view.
originally posted by: igor_ats
originally posted by: windword
People just make it up as they go along, ignoring whatever biblical passage doesn't fit into the world view.
That is why anything from the old testament is not taught in Christian schools. The amount of spinning they'll have to do to rationalize the God of the old testaments actions would make even the most hardcore Christian blush.
I think the God of the new testament, the Jesus of Revelation would make even the most hardcore Christian blush as well going by your logic. For as it was in the days Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the son of man, when the heathens were going about their miserable existence, until sudden destruction came upon them. God is the same yesterday today and forever. If God did it before, he can do it again, only his judgement will be far worse than anything he ever did in the Old Testament. It will not be a quick death for the wicked this time
My question is about the "den of thieves". Beyond the narrow question of usury,
this Biblical passage speaks of economic justice.
Is Jesus a capitalist, or is he a communist?
Also, what is your take on Pope Francis' (economic) liberation theology?
Text This was one of the reasons I became an agnostic.
Text First of all God created absolutely everything..so He created evil (wars,famine,hate and so on ). Isn't it ?
Text We all know that God loves us,that is why kids in Africa are dying from famine,that is why the Holocaust happened,that is why innocent womans and kids die in wars....this are a few things that came up in my mind.
Text God also tells us to forgive as much as we can...why doesn't He forgave Eva for eating an apple ? I mean,she didn't knew that snake was evil.Even parents forgive their children for such little things....
Text Oh..and the apocalypse..He created us,gave us free will and he kills us all because we don't do what he wants...I still believe that this apocalypse in the Bible is a major mentality change that will come in our world.
TextAnd here is an invented story based on some criterias in the Bible I've found on the internet: A divorced woman with her newly baby-borned slept in differet rooms of her apartment.A thief enters in her apartment who was trying to rape her and steal things and money,he also got a gun with him.He kills the baby and the woman throwed herself from the apartment,falls down and suicides.According to the Bible,the woman goes to hell because she suicides,the kid also goes to hell because he didn't got the baptism and if the thief repents and frequences the Church because he realised that he did something harsh....he goes to heaven.
I know that I am going to be attacked from all sides by christians...but this is the cold truth and the Bible and the Christianity needs a big reform..
originally posted by: Diderot
a reply to: Akragon
Hello again, Grinning Cheshire,
"Also, what is your take on Pope Francis' (economic) liberation theology?
Can't say I know anything about it... would you like to explain?"
Liberation theology is a quite controversial position that condemns the oppressive influence of capitalism upon the impoverished of the earth.
The Roman Catholic Church viewed this as an advocacy of communism,
and this apostasy was persecuted, especially under Pope John Paul II.
Now today, interestingly, Pope Francis is questioning the role of capitalism.
It's about time.
We tend to revert to the feral nature of our heritage.
Some day soon we shall embrace the promise of our potential. It is in our genes.
As we progress technologically we revert spiritually as we slowly become "gods" of our world... with no power at all but what is given by the powers that be