Proven fact, if Israel disbanded, Israel would become the next Iraq/Libya

Hey guys, this is NOT a thread about land/ who owns what/ etc, there are a zillion other threads on that. (Plus, if you are American, you are on stolen land from the natives right now so you do not have a leg to stand on)!

The Israeli government have an extremely firm, no nonsense response to the palestinians, for the EXACT REASON what is going on in the rest of the middle east as we speak.

Every single time a strict government or even for that matter, a dictatorship is toppled, take Saddam/ Gaddafi and others, it turns at first to the world media, feeling sorry for their poor `opressed brothers` firing their ak47s into the air in relief and celebration, and talking about how they are finally free and`unopressed`.

And then, within weeks/ half a year, the entire country is torn between tribal war lords different factions, mass murder, drug imports etc, and its like, exactly what was achieved.

It can not be denied that if Israel gave into the political correctness garbage and became weak minded, always worrying about what `other people will think about us`, like the UK / Sweden/ France etc do, then within a generation or less, Israel would be no more.

All arabs want and know (and this has gone on LONG before americans set foot there, so dont give me the cia or mossad funded / sponsored rubbish), all arabs and muslims do is massacare one another, they do not give a damn about one another, this has been prooven throughout history, and on a grand scale today.

So go on, keep banging your political correct war drums, and feel `sorry` for the palestinians, you know damn well if Israel was never taken by Israelies/ Jews, and was a typical middle eastern country, it would too, be a place of violence/ destruction/ tribal gangs, etc no different to Syria and Iraq.

The only way to control terrorism, is the way which the politicaly correct softies will scream and cry about, like how bad Gadaffi was, but when these people/ governments are gone, it is clear that they were the ONLY thing keeping the terrorists at bay.

Waiting for the first person to take this off topic with how the zionists rule the world etc etc

bottom line is what i have just said is the absolute honest to god truth

Until the normal people take a stand against Zionist and terrorist they will keep killing and bombing each other

It's been that way for hundreds of years and will probably continue for the next hundred years or until they wipe each out

a reply to: dinogirl

You don't know that for certain. Radicalism in Islam was helped along by the CIA actually.
It wasn't always this way. Also.. those countries listed actually didn't have those problems until their governments were disbanded - say what you will about their leaders.

Israel doesn't seem much different now. The provoke Hamas and then use Hamas' reaction as justification to kill a few thousand people. They do this in cycles in an ongoing genocide.

a reply to: dinogirl

Also it is neither proven nor fact.

a reply to: dinogirl

Have you finished generalising there? Jesus...

While you are correct that 'liberated' countries have fallen into despair, i can't help but shake my head at your other assertions...

1 - Israel will not disappear if it became more...humane. Stop fear-mongering. You sound like those Israeli ministers who are scared that Israel will lose its Jewish identity if it lets any more immigrants in...

2 - I fail to understand how you can generalise 'Arabs and Muslims' like that. Yes, there have been divides in Islamic history, but there are some stable Islamic countries right now, where Muslims aren't massacring one another'...

3 - I'm not sure how you have obtained the ability to peer into alternate realities...but the Palestinian Authority is doing a pretty good job at governing Palestine right now, especially under occupation. I'm sure stability would be assured if Israel would just give them a clear border and stop infringing the rights of the Palestinian population. Occupation is, after all, the root cause of the current conflicts.

You are correct in that authoritative regimes have been successful in halting terrorism, but you are way off on your other remarks. You have no idea what would have happened if history had played out in a different way. What we do know today though, is that the Palestinian Authority does a good job at governing Palestine, and that if Israel would stop enforcing the root cause of conflict that is occupation, the Palestinians would probably live happily in peace.

Oh, and i don't see any 'proven facts' here. Only fear mongering bull#.

a reply to: dinogirl

How can something that hasn't happened be a proven fact?

originally posted by: dinogirl


bottom line is what i have just said is the absolute honest to god truth

Why argue with you then ? You seem to know the "absolute" truth. Wow !

Thanks for sharing your knowledge Master.

originally posted by: dinogirl
Waiting for the first person to take this off topic with how the zionists rule the world etc etc

bottom line is what i have just said is the absolute honest to god truth

Well this was your first wrong statement.

(Plus, if you are American, you are on stolen land from the natives right now so you do not have a leg to stand on)!

We Native Americans are still called Americans we didn't get wiped out so we aren't living on stolen land.

It can not be denied that if Israel gave into the political correctness garbage and became weak minded, always worrying about what `other people will think about us`, like the UK / Sweden/ France etc do, then within a generation or less, Israel would be no more.

So the rest of the world is supposed to follow international law but Israel will be weak minded if they follow it? Many Israelis think they should follow the law also.

So go on, keep banging your political correct war drums, and feel `sorry` for the palestinians, you know damn well if Israel was never taken by Israelies/ Jews, and was a typical middle eastern country, it would too, be a place of violence/ destruction/ tribal gangs, etc no different to Syria and Iraq.

Prove it. Many of these other ME nations were peaceful until the west started meddling into their affairs many times because Israel cried they are mean to us.

a reply to: dinogirl

How do you compare Israel, a country that has legitimate government put there by voters as compared to dictatorships over lands that hold different waring tribes? I don't see you can make the comparison.

You also forget that Arab society was one of the most educated and brilliant before Islam dumbed the people down. They were mathematicians, healers. Part of today's problems are how the world was carved up by the British and other groups regardless of the tribal interests that existed on the land.

Israel isn't self-sufficient despite over 66 years of existence. There are Jews who think it shouldn't exist. Although I see your point, I don't see what difference there is between Israel and Syria, Jordan etc? In fact were I to go fully into it I see it as a racist, religious phobian place that has stepped out of the bible into 2014 with little degree of success or reasons to be proud of. With the culling ist regularly carries out is it so special?

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Islam had its moments of advanced mysticism and peace, but presently its common forms are a savagery that has not been seen in centuries. Islam is in fact today a death cult, glorifying the mass execution of its enemies and denouncing this life in favor of the benefits of a world to come. While I don't appreciate either Judaism or Christianity, those two religions are slightly more evolved in practice than Islam is today and the light of the world would be snuffed out even further were Islam allowed to gain authority over this world.

I think the whole zionist thing is just another rough to manipulate peoples hate and racism.

SMH at how ignorant the media keeps people. I am sick of people looking at ISIS in Iraq and thinking that this has been the history of Islam and the middle east for the last 1400 years. It hasn't! Of course, like with any region there have been times of war and times of peace. But why do you think that there have been Christians in the ME who have lived there for almost 2,000 years who are just now having to flee as the parts (not Jordan or Oman for instance) of the region descend into bloodbath. If it was a problem with Islam there would have been no Christians in the region from the 7nth century on. Western powers backing military dictatorships against moderate muslims aligned with socialists helped create this mess (Pakistan, Iran.) Our backing of the Saudis does not help either.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I think the whole zionist thing is just another rough to manipulate peoples hate and racism.

Yeh for milleniums people have accused jews of being witches/ devils/ non believers/ satan etc, and now in todays politically correct world.. the latest jew hating is hiding it behind political correctness

start off with `my problem isnt with jews its with israel` (erm yes it is with jews), but.. etc etc etc

a reply to: dinogirl

Well I believe you have just killed any good decent discussion, because as you put it, you know absolute truth.



Peace.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: dinogirl

How do you compare Israel, a country that has legitimate government put there by voters as compared to dictatorships over lands that hold different waring tribes? I don't see you can make the comparison.

You also forget that Arab society was one of the most educated and brilliant before Islam dumbed the people down. They were mathematicians, healers. Part of today's problems are how the world was carved up by the British and other groups regardless of the tribal interests that existed on the land.

Israel isn't self-sufficient despite over 66 years of existence. There are Jews who think it shouldn't exist. Although I see your point, I don't see what difference there is between Israel and Syria, Jordan etc? In fact were I to go fully into it I see it as a racist, religious phobian place that has stepped out of the bible into 2014 with little degree of success or reasons to be proud of. With the culling ist regularly carries out is it so special?


There are Arabs who say Israel should not exist, Muftis who preach that every Friday, there are other news sites besides ATS PM me and I'll furnish a list.

originally posted by: AudioOne
SMH at how ignorant the media keeps people. I am sick of people looking at ISIS in Iraq and thinking that this has been the history of Islam and the middle east for the last 1400 years. It hasn't! Of course, like with any region there have been times of war and times of peace. But why do you think that there have been Christians in the ME who have lived there for almost 2,000 years who are just now having to flee as the parts (not Jordan or Oman for instance) of the region descend into bloodbath. If it was a problem with Islam there would have been no Christians in the region from the 7nth century on. Western powers backing military dictatorships against moderate muslims aligned with socialists helped create this mess (Pakistan, Iran.) Our backing of the Saudis does not help either.

You mean the Ottoman wars between Islamic countries didn't happen. Those stupid history book writers got it wrong again.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
You don't know that for certain. Radicalism in Islam was helped along by the CIA actually.

Radicalism in Islam predates the CIA. Not everything in the world is the fault of the CIA.

Regards

originally posted by: dinogirl
Yeh for milleniums people have accused jews of being witches/ devils/ non believers/ satan etc, and now in todays politically correct world.. the latest jew hating is hiding it behind political correctness

Most of todays Jew's are non-believer's. People don't have to accuse them, they openly admit it. Over 50% of the Jews in Israel ( and that is only an estimate) admit they are Atheist or use the Jew label for cultural reasons.

start off with `my problem isnt with jews its with israel` (erm yes it is with jews), but.. etc etc etc

Well maybe you should educate yourself about Jewish Law.. The fact of the matter is Israel is not legitimate under Judaism.. So this isn't a Jew hating thing, Judaism is against the current State of Israel itself. Don't try and answer religious issues with political bs...

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Islam had its moments of advanced mysticism and peace, but presently its common forms are a savagery that has not been seen in centuries.

Can you show me where Islam promotes the savagery we are seeing today?

Islam is in fact today a death cult, glorifying the mass execution of its enemies and denouncing this life in favor of the benefits of a world to come.

Again, can you point me to where Islam actually promotes what your saying above?