Ukraine: Some Russian military vehicles destroyed

a reply to: victor7

I might agree with you here that Putin would not do anything to help the rebels.

So now he doesn't want to help, but wait hasn't he already been doing that?

And that is why both commanders of DPR and LPR i.e. Strelkov and Bolotov resigned.

Or Moscow has brought them back knowing they are able to directly link Russia to the separatists, as if we didn't already know that.

Also those two probably know more about MH 17 than some want to believe, and that could be bad for the mother land if they get caught and start talking.

They know the situation on the ground and that there is little use trying to just buy time while the cannon fodder soldiers and also civilians are killed.

Have you noticed when the separatists leave an area the fighting stops, and in case you forgot they had their chance to save face and live yet said no, so Ukraine has the right to neutralize a threat to their country.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Mmmmm... just look at the Russian military bases spread all over the world, and all the conflicts they are engaged in / have started. Oh wait! Those are American bases and wars.

We all heard how much the US thinks of it's "allies" opinions with the famous recording of the little witch Nuland and her blurted "F**k the EU" comment, pertaining to post coup Ukrainian government. Let us also not forget the rampant spying by the US on everyone, including it's supposed allies, at the highest levels.
The US is a puppet of the psychopathic bankers, doing their bidding under the guise of "foreign policy" and bullying those who might be a bit squeamish or voicing concern. We have seen that time and time again, so cut the crap about the US/NATO (same thing) and it's "Western Alliance" being all that is good in the world, it's laughable!

The way sanctions are already hurting it's "Western Alliance" allies makes it clear this is another badly planned episode, and the ones imposing the sanctions, at the US's ordering, are the ones suffering already. Either they'll need to ramp up things and get a shooting war started, or that alliance will fall apart when the people demand an end to the BS, as they lose their jobs and are told they need to suffer so the US imperialism can march on.

Lol, ok...

Sorry to tell you, but having military bases all over the world is not imperialistic

If they had however taken the land by force instead of paid for a lease and/or been invited as an ally/friend as protection then maybe your claim night hold some weight... But unfortunately they're there to protect national interests, and allies, not gain land or establish colonies

Feel free to PROVE ME WRONG

To add

Russia has also had many over seas bases and there current military bases overseas reflects "all they can afford" for the moment, don't mistake the lack of overseas bases as Russia not being imperialistic look at there actions in Eastern Europe, they're also pursing many old and new Cold War bases overseas including Cuba, Argentina, to add to Crimea, Syria, and also have troops all over the world on bases they do not run or own

Your claims are ridiculous and don't hold up, just be honest and admit your claims are false


As for the US spying on its allies, well this is nothing new is it, all countries do this yes even friends, in the case of Germany the facts suggest it was actually Germany's intelligence spying on merkle and passing it on to the US, as we all know merkle once worked for East Germany's communist party where mr Putin also started his career in the KGB, she has almost totally made Germany dependant on Russian gas and oil, one might want to keep tabs

It's a none brainer

How many people have the USA and UK armed forces killed in the last 14 years compared to Russian armed forces?

How anyone in this world can ignore what we have done and point at another country and paint them as monsters is frankly insane

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
How many people have the USA and UK armed forces killed in the last 14 years compared to Russian armed forces?

How anyone in this world can ignore what we have done and point at another country and paint them as monsters is frankly insane

Oh ok let's use the past 14yrs in which Russia has been on a recovery from the collapse of the Soviet Union lol,

How anyone is this world can ignore this and forget history I find frankly insane too

Open your eyes, ex soviet KGB operative is running Russia?

Double

Treble ?

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: bjarneorn

Putin is sitting there, doing nothing ... and allowing Russians to die for nothing. he's sacrificing the lives of his own people, for some "mafia" bucks. He could have stopped the entire conflict, right from the start ... merely by making it absolutely clear, it wouldn't be tolerated. The hostilities commence, because Ukranians know they've got EU/US support, and Putin won't do swat.

I might agree with you here that Putin would not do anything to help the rebels. And that is why both commanders of DPR and LPR i.e. Strelkov and Bolotov resigned. They know the situation on the ground and that there is little use trying to just buy time while the cannon fodder soldiers and also civilians are killed.

The rebels disagree Rebels claim reinforcements and tanks have arrived from Russia Of couse all that is not going to do them much beyond buy some time.

a reply to: MrSpad

That's good, several waves of such reinforcements help the rebels in regaining the lost ground.

Some pin point barrages by Russian artillery should further help. When Junta decides to use artillery on civilians in widespread manner then all sorts of help from Russia will be much appreciated.

originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: Xcouncil=wisdom
Actually your thread is completely different than the other thread, your thread is about the Russian military vehicles that crossed the border, while the distraction move of the hundreds of support trucks drew attention at the border

Nice move Putin


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Putin had nothing to do with it ... if Russia was going to war, Ukraine would fall within 24 hours. If Russia does anything, they'll keep it to a bare minimum ... this is merely some concerned Russian military personell, trying to provide aid ... independantly.

So you are saying Putin has such a weak grasp and the Russian military so weak minded and poorly trained with no discipline acted against orders?

I don't know why you think Russia is so piss poor weak, I think better of them than that.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: MrSpad

That's good, several waves of such reinforcements help the rebels in regaining the lost ground.

Some pin point barrages by Russian artillery should further help. When Junta decides to use artillery on civilians in widespread manner then all sorts of help from Russia will be much appreciated.

They may be able to hold for longer but, lack of local support has been and will remain this groups biggest weakness. All they will do is kill more civilians never wanted a rebellion to begin with.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: MrSpad

That's good, several waves of such reinforcements help the rebels in regaining the lost ground.

Some pin point barrages by Russian artillery should further help. When Junta decides to use artillery on civilians in widespread manner then all sorts of help from Russia will be much appreciated.

The civilians want the the rebels gone. The civilians have been happy when the Ukraine army runs the rebels out.

a reply to: MrSpad

The upkeep of the rebels is low cost while that of the Junta army is many times more.

It is the Junta army that will crack first seeing rebels holding on for more while and getting better firepower.

Only thing rebels asked was for federalization and some more rights regarding language etc. Junta chose the war mode to seek the solution. Junta will regret it heavily as it seems it followed the Ego instead of the Economics and Empathy.



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Right Sector warns Kiev Junta

"In addition, we demand the release of all detained members of "Right Sector", stay of criminal proceedings against them and return of all transport and seized weapons."

"If our demands are not met within 48 hours, we will take all of our units from the front lines, mobilize our reserve battalions and march on Kiev in full battle gear."

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Open your eyes, ex soviet KGB operative is running Russia?

So whose running the Government of America then? respected officials? dont kid yourself.

let's use the past 14yrs in which Russia has been on a recovery from the collapse of the Soviet Union lol

The Cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union was caused by the NGOs operating in Russia and secretly under the Russian government. Even Newt admits it.

Here's one of his remarks.

Gingrich often says that together he and Reagan "helped defeat the Soviet empire
Other statement.
As part of the promotion of democracy, Gingrich has said that he wants to re-think the current model of foreign aid. He says the focus of reform should be on shifting funding and responsibility away from governments and into NGOs.

In Close Reagan offered Newt a Job to work with the NGOs promoting the protests that we had being seeing the past years now. On Iran.

he would first promote covert action and cyber warfare, fund dissident groups and wage economic warfare to effect regime change.
Thats what they did in Syria and got backfired badly. Cyber warfare mainly propaganda.