Jack the Giant Slayer (intro sequence)

a reply to: UNIT76

Well, there's a lot of encoded esoteric knowledge in the bible, for sure. And since our entire civilization is largely anchored on the thing, it makes sense to utilize it in many different ways - even in the second decade of the 21st Century. For Christians especially, the opposing views and energies are certainly a sensitive topic. I understand the "terror campaign", for example. As for the soul itself and people's own morality and issues, even for the ones that do not believe in the bible, do their souls still end up playing a part in the dual-nature of Heaven vs Hell? I have a feeling there is room for 'purgatory'... and ghosts too, perhaps ghosthood is part of purgatory.

Speaking of which, I am watching 'What Dreams May Come' with Robin Williams right now. His character dies in a car accident and starts learning how to interact in Heaven, largely by using his imagination, when he discovers that his wife has commit suicide. His soul friend informs him of the issue and explains adamantly how there is no way for a victim of suicide to make it up to Heaven. They are trapped in a lower level, not necessarily "Hell", as Hell is explained as being what ultimately happens when a life goes terribly wrong. But souls in this realm are caught in loops and denial and cannot be consoled or brought up.

[Side note: Assuming that imagination is largely what creates one's own 'Afterlife', those with "cheap and dirty psyches" raised on porn and violence on TV etc, could be stuck with that for a while - but depending on how nasty the individual, their imagination is the part that could be "purged" when confronted with their life review and raw emotion. "Redemption", perhaps.]

Williams' character is determined to make a strong enough soul connection to his wife's spirit and bring her up with him. It's quite an intense movie, I am not sure why I never knew about it before. It's not as popular as some of his others. Consequently, all over the internet right now, particularly in New Age forums, people are debating whether or not Robin Williams' own soul is "damned to Hell" or negative karma and reincarnation because of his suicide. My impression is that this "demiurge" doesn't mind the idea of people doing things like killing themselves, as well as a wide variety of other demoralizing acts, so that their souls can be muddied up enough to stick to the lower realm. Or "ant farm", so to speak.

Doing an overall analysis of people's comments and thoughts on this matter seem to indicate that roughly 70% of people think Williams' act would be forgiven and that the overall extent of his life's work would be the true karma points to determine what happens to his soul. This is where the "grey area" comes back, as it seems obvious to me that such things as the ultimate destiny of one's soul after death cannot be either black or white.

As for FOX News, I don't watch it much, but I consider it entertainment.

a reply to: corsair00

our entire civilization is not bible/jesus orientated
(and we already know "religion" is a sham)
yes, it still has its uses in the 21st century, like how all those "devil-people" legal institutions that make us swear on a bible, or secret-societies that 'use' the bible, etc

…12you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother;
13thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."

i'm not exactly sure of this 'terror campaign' you mentioned, as the bible instructs the faithful with;
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear
(the only 'terror' i see, is what comes from the system.. and because i have faith in the bible it doesn't terrify me in the slightest)
why else would they be doing all this # to us?
if there is no meaning, no purpose, no God.. then just get on with the great work of the ages
you know as well as i do, that "something" is up
..what can you make of it *without* the foundation?

As for the soul itself and people's own morality and issues, even for the ones that do not believe in the bible, do their souls still end up playing a part in the dual-nature of Heaven vs Hell?

..why extend the matter?
we already know 'the basics' of what the bible claims here
think of it like time served in prison.. the person dies (is released) .:. sentence over; tetelesti
reincarnation (soul evolution) presents the same problem; we're being presented with a story where beings from another sphere of existence cross-over into a lesser sphere
the bible says they will be punished for this
meanwhile everything else is happy to present them as cavorting lads, squirting water on bikini babes with magic syringe devices, then splitting themself up into 1000 units to marry them all.. or explaining how ancient (nuclear?) wars were fought with these guys hurling the power of a 1000 suns at one another.. but hey, this is all just the way of things, cycles within cycles, so sit back & strap in for the next 'cycle' of mayhem
..oh, and reincarnation stresses improvement (ideally, burning off karma, etc) so how come the world isn't slowly becoming a better place? ..kali yuga? (just another cycle of mayhem?)
..and people will just chide, "why are we humans so stupid?", "oh, when will we learn?"
..well, apparently never in this setup?
but it's all good, because it'll just be endless cycles upon cycles, and we'll somehow give meaning to it?
the problem is just that 'soul' business & the means to utilize it fully
the bible says it can be destroyed (by God) if we # up
everything else says, "nah we're in control" so do as thou will
..but we're not in control, are we?
..we know a bunch of twisted units (devil people) are in control, don't we?
we just want to 'define' what empowers them, or something..
if we're gonna entertain that, we ought to entertain notions of hierachy
(else if there were no structure like this, it'd just be a spiritual free-for-all)
do you think just maybe, there is one big, bad hencho heading this up from the other side?
(demiurgos.. & that ain't my 'God')

I have a feeling there is room for 'purgatory'... and ghosts too, perhaps ghosthood is part of purgatory.

…18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.…
prison/purgatory? (..apparently they're still doing time?)

watching 'What Dreams May Come'

ok, so this is something we'd probably both refer to as new-age programming, wouldn't we?
(...probably don't even have to indulge this any further, but i will)

seinfeld (ep7) "the pony remark"
GEORGE: Bender? He can’t play left. He stinks. I just don’t see what purpose is it gonna serve your going? I mean, you think dead peole care who’s at their funeral? They don’t even know they’re having a funeral. It’s not like she’s hanging out in the back going, “I can’t believe Jerry didn’t show up.”

ELAINE: Maybe she’s there in spirit. How about that?

GEORGE: If you’re a spirit, and you can travel to other dimensions and galaxies, and find out the mysteries of the universe, you think she’s gonna wanna hang around Drexler’s funeral home on Ocean Parkway?

ELAINE: George, I met this woman. She is not traveling to any other dimensions.

GEORGE: You know how easy it is for dead people to travel? It’s not like getting on a bus. One second. (snaps his fingers) It’s all mental.

seinfeld's a pretty cool show.. with all those obelisks, baseball "diamonds" & whatnot in the background
(oy vey)

Assuming that imagination is largely what creates one's own 'Afterlife'...

yeah, another reason why none of this 'bothers' me..
if i'm wrong on all this (according to Jane Roberts; seth material) some benevolent entity just shapeshifts between various deities & blends them all together until i "get it"
and if there's no 'meaning' when (and if) i get there.. i can just make my own (hurp)

Consequently, all over the internet right now, particularly in New Age forums, people are debating whether or not Robin Williams' own soul is "damned to Hell" or negative karma and reincarnation because of his suicide

of course they are.. meanwhile idiots like us just know better

My impression is that this "demiurge" doesn't mind the idea of people doing things like killing themselves

DestroyDestroyDestroy *wink*

"ant farm"

the masons were out in force BBQ'ing up a storm for all those poor souls in the QLD floods not too long ago
(the ant-farm was in trouble)

the overall extent of his life's work would be the true karma points to determine what happens to his soul

..they obviously subscribe to the self-empowerment-mastery-of-my-own-soul-i-can-become-a-god school of thought
..i don't
…3You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: "He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us"?…
(and i didn't even need God to tell me that i already know i hate this world)
win

This is where the "grey area" comes back, as it seems obvious to me that such things as the ultimate destiny of one's soul after death cannot be either black or white

*chuckles* yeah, even after all this, i know what you mean..
(but my position is clearer now)
THIS WORLD SUCKS & BLOWS if there's no God, the next world's gonna suck too

As for FOX News, I don't watch it much, but I consider it entertainment.

(pmsl) i knew you'd be in that particular 'box'

thanks for being here

a reply to: UNIT76
Everything in the world is just a rehash of old things. And sometimes a movie is just that, a freaking movie, and if you want to see symbols well there in everything and everywhere. Its kind of like playing the slug bug game while driving down the highway from state to state, your bound to see what you want to see.

And the pyramid symbol, well its been popular for a long long time, sure it represents things, but mostly because people dont have much imagination to come up with something else. They are very much impressed by symbols, just like there very much impressed by other such simple and idiotic things.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

can't help but notice "errors" wherever they seem to be
(there = they're)

noone "makes" the punchbugs (volkswagons?) "appear"
~~they're just there, aren't they?
(and we make a game of it)

the pyramid (as a symbol) is a refined version of what a mountain symbolizes
(but somehow, i think you know all this already?)

i'm not typing about "imagination", invention, creativity & exploring new frontiers here
i'm typing about (the same thing the "critic" opined) things being recycled for a purpose

Everything in the world is just a rehash of old things.

uhh, weren't you supposed to launch into some diatribe about how it's our own consciousness doing it?
..or was that next weeks post?

a reply to: UNIT76

can't help but notice "errors" wherever they seem to be (there = they're)

noone "makes" the punchbugs (volkswagons?) "appear" ~~they're just there, aren't they? (and we make a game of it)

Well yes there always there, you just dont notice them till at first they are brought to your attention. If you were to take a hour drive through trafic what are the chances that you would see any slug buggs? At the very least one or two right, but with a less frequency then you would see Hondas on the road. Just because you do not notice them does not mean they are not there or just spontaneously appeared one day. That the whole point of the slug bug game, to notice the obvious, and to punch somebody in the shoulder.

i'm not typing about "imagination", invention, creativity & exploring new frontiers here i'm typing about (the same thing the "critic" opined) things being recycled for a purpose

If you say so then it must be true right?

A pyramid is just a symbol that represents a quizzical thought in the human mental construct because in nature it is not that common, hence why people are attracted to it. A spiral is a more common thing in nature, you see it in trees, in the microbe world, even in DNA and even in the cosmos, now tell me how many spiral galaxies are out there? Plenty right. Now how many triangle galaxies are out there? Likely none right...So like the slug bug, its shape holds more a perplexity in the human mind. And of course it symbolizes a whole lot of things, mountain being but one and likely the least.

But hey none of those symbols would exist if people did not at first give them meaning.

uhh, weren't you supposed to launch into some diatribe about how it's our own consciousness doing it? ..or was that next weeks post?

Well ya off course, its like the shadow in the beginning of most movies, like you pointed out above. In the beginning scene when the father opens the door his shadow overshadows jack on the bead. Now some may think that means something, while other may just think its a cool effect because of its un-commonalty and pose and vibe it brings into an audience. Hence why I would say at the very least a few thousands of movies have used that effect in one way or another. Not because it means something, but because people like you and the average watcher of movies are impressed by it.

And ya things just repeat themselfs, even this world, you just have not noticed it yet. Because frankly your just not that perceptive.

a reply to: UNIT76

Oh and also. Before we forget...Sometimes its just a movie and little else, I mean jack and the beanstalk has been done before many times, but this time there is going to be a big budget battle between the giants and army people or whatever, and maybe even a cow flying here and there, possibly being flung by a giant.

I personally am quite looking forward to cows flying, lets hope they somehow install that scene. And then latter maybe somebody somewhere can make a conspiracy out of it or maybe even cows flying, it could have like some sort of esoteric meaning and stuff.

a reply to: UNIT76

noone "makes" the punchbugs (volkswagons?) "appear" ~~they're just there, aren't they? (and we make a game of it)

i'm not typing about "imagination", invention, creativity & exploring new frontiers here
i'm typing about (the same thing the "critic" opined) things being recycled for a purpose

Now that I think about it, maybe whoever made that game got it wrong. Maybe instead of Volkswagen beetles, maybe they should have used honda civics. Now imagine how much more funner the game would be. I mean lets say your driving on a stretch of highway and lets say you have to go for a bit of a drive somewhere around 80 miles away.

I would say that unless you drive by a Volkswagen convention heading somewhere on the highways or are in Germany, then the chances are that you would be seeing a Volkswagen beetle while driving on the highways while in the states in any given states of at the least 1 beetle car every 10 minutes or so.

Now you would not notice them if you were not looking out for them, but in any case they would still be a pretty rare sight while driving down the highway, which is why the game took hold among kids I say. So you know every 10 or so minutes or somebody would spot one and smack the guy next to them on the shoulder saying "slugbug red' then some 5 or 10 or even 15 minutes latter you would see another one, now that guy who got smacked say the other guy smacks the guy next to him and says "slugbug green"

And so it would go for maybe the hour and a half it would take to get to your destination while going about 60mph on the highway, in all that time you would likely only see about 10 to 15 slugbus on the way. But now if the game was about Honda civics, the game would be a whole lot more punchy.

But since you would be running by Honda civics on any given US highway ever other minute or so, sometimes you would probably see a bunch of them in the same moment, so you can punch the other guy in the shoulder literally one after the other. Well you get the picture everybody would be smacking eachother almost every single minute of the whole 1 hour and a half ride. It would be a chaos and among kids who would be playing the game it would lead to some serious roughhousing. So ya hence the slugbug game not the civic game. So there is your purpose, because if things were turned up nobody would be able to handle it, and so things are rehashed.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

you never disappoint me..
i'm constantly impressed by your ability to detract from the matter at hand

even if everything i was saying in the OP's was unsubstantiated,
and there was still a wall between it
when you SUMERize summarize with this

So there is your purpose, because if things were turned up nobody would be able to handle it, and so things are rehashed.

you've indicated which side of that fence you're camped on..
so it'd be fair to say, you actively promote that camps belief system in your posts just as i actively promote in mine

that's why people like us clash like this..
..and why we've gone from the issue to punchbugs to hondas to increasing this ability to hit people now

..i suppose if i was perceptive enough i'd maybe get into some of that

a reply to: UNIT76
What camp? What fence?

Your seeing things, what is it my fault you people are so easily influenced by all things a freaking triangle. Imagine at the beginning of history when the pyramids were first created, can you just imagine your ancestors and the people there, what were there reactions when seeing a building like that. Just imagine them all standing around and looking at it going "it must be the work of the gods, why just look its got three points" "oh its so pointy like a mountain with sharp corners, quick lets bow down and sacrifice some goats to it" Um OK!

Sorry dude, you have said absolutely nothing, but if a little imagery impresses you so much in a movie. Well that's your problem. But on a side note, I just found out that this Jack the Giant Slayer movie is out already, I was flipping channels at random and it was on some days ago. I only watched about 20 minutes of it, seems like an alright movie for some other time.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird
(thanks for being here, i star all your posts)

we've talked about movie analysis before
stop playing dumb
there will come a time when i get tired of you
but for some reason
i think you have become accustomed to people turning their back on you

What camp? What fence?

i thought you were a "holy half dead who's returned from underverse", remember?
if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen

Your seeing things, what is it my fault you people are so easily influenced by all things a freaking triangle

i just pay attention to the things that come out of you..
..like that "you people" remark
(another reference to these "two camps")


according to reports, the pyramids were cased with limestone
(which apparently blazed in the sun, reflected light)
so yeah, it kinda would've had the effect you're suggesting there
but if you're wandering in the desert & you spot a "great light"
and this just makes you start thinking of killing goats
that kinda says it all, doesn't it?

let's recap;
"the issue" > punchbugs > hondas > hitting people > seeing "light" > killing goats
(maybe a perceptive person could chime in on this progression?)

bad hat harry
in the movie, the boy had a female teaching stashed under his pillow
..i reckon you've got a necronomicon stashed under yours

a reply to: UNIT76

we've talked about movie analysis before stop playing dumb there will come a time when i get tired of you but for some reason i think you have become accustomed to people turning their back on you

You think so do you. Well seems everybody has there theories on me. Go figure.

i thought you were a "holy half dead who's returned from underverse", remember? if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen

You know what. I dont even remember if you were one I said that to or not.

Ah but anyways, i would stay away from the underverse if I were you. Stick to interpreting images, its much more fun and saner place to be.

i just pay attention to the things that come out of you.. ..like that "you people" remark (another reference to these "two camps")

Sure if you can only count to two. Personally if were going to break down meaningless things into different meanings, then I would say there are at the very least about 105 camps. One of which would be the "you people camp" Quess which one your in?

according to reports, the pyramids were cased with limestone (which apparently blazed in the sun, reflected light) so yeah, it kinda would've had the effect you're suggesting there but if you're wandering in the desert & you spot a "great light" and this just makes you start thinking of killing goats that kinda says it all, doesn't it?

I suppose that if you were some sort of primitive you would be. Besides its a known fact that humans and crows like shiny objects, so not only would the triangles of it impress them wholly but the shininess of it would have really sold it through and through.

let's recap; "the issue" > punchbugs > hondas > hitting people > seeing "light" > killing goats (maybe a perceptive person could chime in on this progression?)

What is there to understand. The slug bug game is that because on average it is not that common of a thing, so you see thats why its called the slug bug game and not the Honda game. People are more impressed by not so common things then by common things, so much so they make games out of it. Kind of like those shadow effects in movie, or triangles, they are there but not that common. Why once in a while, some even notice there there, kind of kids notice slug bugs driving on the street when playing games and brought to there attention, and sometimes there even awed by it.

Is it awe inspiring? Nah off course not, its just not all that common.

bad hat harry in the movie, the boy had a female teaching stashed under his pillow ..i reckon you've got a necronomicon stashed under yours

Never watched bad hat harry. I suppose that to is a movie. Also I have heard of the necronomicon, its some sort of book right? One about zombies or the undead or some such, or was it a cook book, or was it a comic book, or was it in a comic book? Who knows, but I am pretty sure it was in a movie or two. One thing I am sure of however is that movie may have sucked at being spookie but succeeded at being quite hilarious...I mean a movie about the necronomicon, that sounds like a comedy to me. No doubt it probably means something to you, or it may make you sacrifice some chickens to it or whatever, but to me it sounds like it would make a great comedy movie.

Also the con at the end of necronomi sounds like it may involve people playing dress up, or well you know. It just may be another con.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

You know what.
I dont even remember if you were one I said that to or not.

The Unfriendly Pursue Selfishness
…6A fool's lips bring strife, And his mouth calls for blows. 7A fool's mouth is his ruin, And his lips are the snare of his soul. 8The words of a whisperer are like dainty morsels, And they go down into the innermost parts of the body.…

12Words from the mouth of a wise man are gracious, while the lips of a fool consume him; 13the beginning of his talking is folly and the end of it is wicked madness. 14Yet the fool multiplies words. No man knows what will happen, and who can tell him what will come after him?…

Ah but anyways, i would stay away from the underverse if I were you. Stick to interpreting images, its much more fun and saner place to be.

25So I turned my mind to understand, to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly.

see you at the clubhouse, it's your shout

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

..but i know you want answers

you may have noticed, when doing all this "movie analysis" etc
i like to deal with "introductions" only
(the rest is up to you)

so.. here.. about those "camps"

Sure if you can only count to two.

you can throw as many as you like at me.. how about a million camps?
in the end, there's 999,999 camps of goats & 1 camp of sheep...
ok?

about that "pyramid"

I suppose that if you were some sort of primitive you would be.

again, your words.. you were the primitive inspired to kill goats back there
as i said (or did i? meh, who cares, you don't listen anyway) the "pyramid" represents a more refined 'type' of the mountain.. (now i know you won't "understand" that, so i'll just say the pyramid is built by human hands, it's a re-creation of the mountain, which is not built by human hands)
..maybe you should read more of those necronomicons?
/shrug

about drifting from the "issue"

What is there to understand.

well, all that subsequent text that came after that was you trying to understand
we'll go over this again next month maybe
and some time after that we'll maybe get into what the game & the punchbugs represent
(hint: it's a belief system & its believers)
(hint: that's why they're "uncommon" & why they inspire you to hit things)
but have a go at that "issue" first

..the "bad hat"

Never watched bad hat harry.

that's because it's not a movie
if you read & absorbed the topic you would've noticed it's the production company
and you'd understand the reference just now
but that's ok, we know why you're really here
otherwise, you'd be posting informative text,
maybe even pics & diagrams & whatnot about how what i'm saying is bunk
feel free to do that

Also the con at the end of necronomi sounds like it may involve people playing dress up, or well you know. It just may be another con.

that is probably the smartest thing i've seen you type yet..
..although i do wonder just how much of it you actually "understand"

tell me, you're dressed up like voldemort right now, aren't you?

a reply to: UNIT76

The Unfriendly Pursue Selfishness …6A fool's lips bring strife, And his mouth calls for blows. 7A fool's mouth is his ruin, And his lips are the snare of his soul. 8The words of a whisperer are like dainty morsels, And they go down into the innermost parts of the body.…

Really? OK!

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. A monkey without a tail is a monkeys uncle. A three legged dog always travels in circles. A dog chasing its own tail is usually the but of a joke. A Priest, a Jew, and a Hindu walk into a bar, the bartender looks up and says "oh this must be a joke" A fly on the wall is just buzzing in. A clean unconscious is usually the sign of a poor memory. An apple a day keeps the doctor away, but an onion a day keeps everybody away.

Fools are like other folks as long as they are silent. Its better to keep you mouth shut and be thought as a fool then open it and prove it. A complete fool is still only half a prophet, a full prophet just has not been informed of his foolishness yet. A smart prophet prophesies about things far away and far into the future, that way he will be long dead before anybody can call him out on his shenanigans.

25So I turned my mind to understand, to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly.

see you at the clubhouse, it's your shout

Blessed is he that can laugh at himself, he will never cease to be amused.

a reply to: UNIT76

..but i know you want answers you may have noticed, when doing all this "movie analysis" etc i like to deal with "introductions" only (the rest is up to you)

I have noticed that somebody likes to make more of things then they are. You know sometimes a movie is just a movie, and sometimes things were just thrown in there for #z and gigglez. What is it my fault that people hapen to take the #z and gigglez serious? I think not.

you can throw as many as you like at me.. how about a million camps? in the end, there's 999,999 camps of goats & 1 camp of sheep... ok?

I got 999,999 problems but a camp ain't one. Like I said however and how many camps there are, you would be in the "you people" camp. If your wondering what the "you people" camp is? Well its the camp were you people are in.

again, your words.. you were the primitive inspired to kill goats back there as i said (or did i? meh, who cares, you don't listen anyway) the "pyramid" represents a more refined 'type' of the mountain.. (now i know you won't "understand" that, so i'll just say the pyramid is built by human hands, it's a re-creation of the mountain, which is not built by human hands) ..maybe you should read more of those necronomicons? /shrug

Yes its a recreation of a mountain, a very #y and crappy recreation of a mountain. But either way it should keep the hairless monkeys busy trying to clamber over each other to reach the top of its triangly goodness.

we'll go over this again next month maybe and some time after that we'll maybe get into what the game & the punchbugs represent (hint: it's a belief system & its believers) (hint: that's why they're "uncommon" & why they inspire you to hit things) but have a go at that "issue" first

You know I seem to be running into a lot of people whom English is there second language or are extremely dyslexic. Case in point this whole thread and that quote above.

that's because it's not a movie if you read & absorbed the topic you would've noticed it's the production company and you'd understand the reference just now but that's ok, we know why you're really here otherwise, you'd be posting informative text, maybe even pics & diagrams & whatnot about how what i'm saying is bunk feel free to do that

So bad hat harry is not a movie?

Well maybe it should be one, and then imagine all the things it could symbolize, it could be like hella esoteric and stuff.

that is probably the smartest thing i've seen you type yet.. ..although i do wonder just how much of it you actually "understand" tell me, you're dressed up like voldemort right now, aren't you?

cons are everywhere. You would notice them by the con, at the end or beginning of there sentence. You see language and words themselfs are nothing but cons, ie fake modes of communication. I mean for instance you seem to be thinking were conversing here, and it may all be conflictual and may confabulate you, conflicting and confining you to base constructs, thinking that its all concealed knowledge when it fact its all just confirmed confusion.

no, this isn't a "conversation"
this is just you trying to bebop & scat
on things you don't seem to like and/or agree with

that's all

instead of typing things that contradict things you previously typed
and being like some unruly tornado-
-typing any ol' thing back there about 3 legged dogs or w/e it was
O_o
stick to your issue & try to present it
dispel your own "confirmed confusion"
that is, if you can keep yourself from hitting something for 5 minutes
(..is all that what one learns in the underverse these days?)
.:. can you present anything here other than blustering hot air?


..i wonder if any fence-sitter has ever noticed
how everything the "sheep" try to do
is always about trying to build on the same foundation
to bring more understanding to the (same) issue
..unraveling many various layers & so on
(and drawing triangles on things, as it were)

curious how it seems to be the exact opposite of what camps like you seem to be all about