Where are the militia groups, when tyranny and oppression are crushing the people?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: NavyDoc
I do agree he wore the wrong uniform, charlies or alphas would be more appropriate but what article would you say he is violating?
Besides 134 of course since that is just the catch all.
More then likely he would get a page 11 for what he did.

No uniform at all is appropriate. In this article, an ARMY JAG explains the subject quite well.
www.jagcnet.army.mil... /ARMYLAWYER.NSF/0/fa3f77977dd873a985257449004965c0/$FILE/Article%203.pdf

a reply to: LDragonFire

Are you going to give credit to the Huffington Post for putting out the article that you have based your Thread on?


And in thinking about it. I do find it rich that you and others that have done nothing but poke fun of, make light of and basically denounce the Militias, now want to know why they aren't part of this Ferguson disaster...

And I have yet to see anyone address the fact that Ferguson is getting the Govt response it has voted in for some time now.

They have the Govt they deserve.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

let me fix your link

jag laws

hm. not fixable?

well it's an https and apparently, not friendly to just anybody going there.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: NavyDoc

let me fix your link

jag laws

hm. not fixable?

Thanks. Cut & paste error I assume?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: NavyDoc

let me fix your link

jag laws

hm. not fixable?

Thanks. Cut & paste error I assume?

the issue is because it is https instead of http, it copies it twice, once in the address part, and again in the name of the link. it's weird.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: LDragonFire

Explain to me again why Militia members should be charging in to assist and defend loiters and rioters?

Because its not just looters and rioters.

It seems the police are attacking news reporters and other innocents too. It those that seem to need defending.

originally posted by: NavyDoc


The looting and Molotov cocktails and arson and assault are what the cops are addressing

But they are not. Reports seems to be coming out that the police have been attacking reporters and other no affiliated with the looters and rioters.

originally posted by: crazyewok
But they are not.

they are. I was watching multiple news channels where public figures who are supporting the legitimate protesters are saying there is a negative element in their midst who were indeed throwing objects at the police including bricks and at least one firebomb.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Im not going to deny there are some looters and rioters that need arresting and dealing with.


But it seems innocents are being caught up in it too.

The fact is sniper rifles, machine guns and armoured cars seems way way way over the top.

a reply to: macman

Ferguson didn't authorize the military to transfer arms and ammunition to the civilian police force. (republicans did)

Ferguson didn't direct state, county, or any other local police forces to detain and arrest more minorities? (republican, red states do)

Ferguson also didn't authorize state and federal government to incarcerate the numbers of minorities that it has. (again red state get tough on crimes means incarcerating minorities)

Ferguson didn't ask for the criticism form the right on fatherless families when a high number of black men are incarcerated.

I hear alot of blame for how the country is and if you follow the laws who supports and votes for them you will find republicans and the right mostly to blame for militarizing the police, the racist policies that imprison minority populations thus destroying there communities and families. You can thank GWB for the completion of militarizing of American police forces and government.

This is GWB's merica and missura or at least it was paid for under bush, and obama is no better because he has allowed it under his watch, but president normally do not undo what the preceding president does.

Bought and paid for gifted from the department of defense to fight terra, cuz dem terroris wanna attack you for your freedoms so we need to arm the police and turn them into a army to strip you of those freedoms!!


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originally posted by: crazyewok
But it seems innocents are being caught up in it too.

Those people, the legitimate protestors, need to oust the negative element in their ranks as those people are only serving to give the police a reason to mitigate their Constitutional rights.

The fact is sniper rifles, machine guns and armoured cars seems way way way over the top.

If this was strictly a peaceful protest, without looting, rioting and the like, I would agree that it is total overkill. The right to free assembly does not need to be hawked over by a quasi-military.

I did watch last night as the main thoroughfare was thronged with what appeared to be all peaceful protesters and I did not see a huge police presence. It was quite dark so I could be wrong.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Ferguson didn't authorize the military to transfer arms and ammunition to the civilian police force. (republicans did)
Ferguson didn't direct state, county, or any other local police forces to detain and arrest more minorities? (republican, red states do)
Ferguson also didn't authorize state and federal government to incarcerate the numbers of minorities that it has. (again red state get tough on crimes means incarcerating minorities)
Ferguson didn't ask for the criticism form the right on fatherless families when a high number of black men are incarcerated.

Sources?

a reply to: crazyewok

Its the same group that wants a wall and to militarize our borders, there all about the police state.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
a reply to: macman

Ferguson didn't authorize the military to transfer arms and ammunition to the civilian police force. (republicans did)

Ferguson didn't direct state, county, or any other local police forces to detain and arrest more minorities? (republican, red states do)

Ferguson also didn't authorize state and federal government to incarcerate the numbers of minorities that it has. (again red state get tough on crimes means incarcerating minorities)

Ferguson didn't ask for the criticism form the right on fatherless families when a high number of black men are incarcerated.

I hear alot of blame for how the country is and if you follow the laws who supports and votes for them you will find republicans and the right mostly to blame for militarizing the police, the racist policies that imprison minority populations thus destroying there communities and families. You can thank GWB for the completion of militarizing of American police forces and government.

This is GWB's merica and missura or at least it was paid for under bush, and obama is no better because he has allowed it under his watch, but president normally do not undo what the preceding president does.

Bought and paid for gifted from the department of defense to fight terra, cuz dem terroris wanna attack you for your freedoms so we need to arm the police and turn them into a army to strip you of those freedoms!!

Brought to you by Neocons

Uh, giving demobed military gear to law enforcement has continued under Obama, who has been president for over six years. It is a democrat action too. Let's not be disingenuous.

Nobody has given an order to detain and arrest more minorities. That is patently untrue. Getting tough on crime means incarcerating more criminals. What you are saying is that minorities commit more crimes--you don't believe that do you? Because that is the implication of what you are saying.

Fatherless minority families comes from the liberal, great society of LBJ where a system was created to encourage fatherless families.

Typical leftist, blame everyone for the bad actions of people except the bad actors themselves.

a reply to: LDragonFire

it's actually a back and forth thing. one side does one thing, the other responds. the response resolves into laws that hurt people, economically. this results in social programs to help those who are suffering economically. this resolves to taxes to pay for the social programs. this resolves to fewer businesses that can hire people or pay them decently. this resolves to more people needing social programs. this resolves to higher taxes. then when the taxes get ridiculous, they have to cut back, and rather than slowing their own pay and benefits, they slim down how much goes out to the poor, which makes it impossible for them to survive on social programs alone. so some begin breaking the law to survive,which results in prison. it's a vicious cycle.

a reply to: LDragonFire

Im not going to get pulled into left/right politics here.

What im saying is the situation seems a mixed bag.

Yes there are some very dodgy people that are rioting and looting and they need to be stopped.

But the police seem to be going way over board too.

The victims are those caught in the middle of those too.

a reply to: crazyewok

Exactly. This is not a right/left issue. It is a right/wrong issue.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

My anger towards GWB is big, but he did have a role to play just as Reagan, Bush H, Clinton, GWB and now obama

I'm conditioned just as all of are, its sometimes hard to break out of it.

originally posted by: LDragonFire


Ferguson didn't authorize the military to transfer arms and ammunition to the civilian police force. (republicans did)

Excuse me!!! Where they forced to take these items?????
NOOOO. The PD put in for the request. It is done on a Federal Level for authorization.
Answer this..What party is in charge of the Federal level of Govt???

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Ferguson didn't direct state, county, or any other local police forces to detain and arrest more minorities? (republican, red states do)

You have got to be fuc&*ng kidding me.
The LOCAL LE department has been in charge of this. The same PD that as the duly elected Chief. The same PD that answers to the Mayor.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Ferguson also didn't authorize state and federal government to incarcerate the numbers of minorities that it has. (again red state get tough on crimes means incarcerating minorities)

Oh good hell.
Now you are going off on hyperbole based social justice/injustice rants.
Stick to the subject at hand.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Ferguson didn't ask for the criticism form the right on fatherless families when a high number of black men are incarcerated.

Oh boo hoo for these people. It is societies fault.....and damn the white man and so on.

Sure sure.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
I hear alot of blame for how the country is and if you follow the laws who supports and votes for them you will find republicans and the right mostly to blame for militarizing the police, the racist policies that imprison minority populations thus destroying there communities and families. You can thank GWB for the completion of militarizing of American police forces and government.

Who has been in charge over the last 6 years??
And even if GW (Imagine that, a Progressive still blaming Bush), 0bama and his backers are continuing it. And ramping it up as well.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
This is GWB's merica and missura or at least it was paid for under bush, and obama is no better because he has allowed it under his watch, but president normally do not undo what the preceding president does.

Yep. all Bush's fault.

At what point is this the responsibility of those in charge now??? Wait, let me guess. Maybe 10 years from now, if using your "blame Bush" logic.

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Bought and paid for gifted from the department of defense to fight terra, cuz dem terroris wanna attack you for your freedoms so we need to arm the police and turn them into a army to strip you of those freedoms!!

Who is in charge now and for the past 6 years???

a reply to: LDragonFire

So now wanting a secure border is a police state...

I wonder....is this statement poached off the Huffington Post as well??