Why is it you are more likely to dismiss evolution If you are an American?.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I wonder why Canada is not on the list.... These things usually leave out my country, Im really interested to see how canadians stack up against the rest of the developed world on this.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Because Iesus Christos created the entire cosmos so that Texas could come into being where the ascended masters would create the Baptist religion which would send out emissaries to every corner of creation to lead all creatures into salvation through slavery.

It is our manifest destiny to create a new alexandria wherein every man of every nation bends their knees and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord.

For all of eternity you will flutter around the throne of the egoist singing HOLY, HOLY, HOLY IS HE who was and is and forever will be.

The trees of knowledge will be gathered up and burned and once the short lived illumination of that pyre extinguishes itself, man's potential will become a holocaust to the glory of the egoist and you will spend the rest of eternity on your knees in perpetual darkness shackled to the throne of your Lord.

"Man was made to worship and you will worship."

That is why Americans don't believe in evolution or progress. They are #ed in the head.

a reply to: Nechash

a reply to: kx12x

Check out Ken Millers "proof" of evolution and DNA fusing. I think you particularly may find this interesting, or amusing whichever way you choose to take it. However this is a great example of why I love science. I would love to have a chat with Stephen Hawking one day...

originally posted by: boymonkey74

Interesting on which religions tend to accept evolution.

Not interesting in the slightest, more of a show of stupidity shown in different ways.

In keeping with the tradition of earth, always 2 Utterly Incomplete Theories or more are used to enslave perception.

This case has everyone looking for everything, but where the truth may actually lie.

Evolution to me is as bad as the story of Genesis, although both together are more interesting, but still massively incomplete.

Both of them are clearly cleverly detailed lies to make sure most humans will not even consider something more, because everyone has their "choices" and dam well they better pick one!!

a reply to: boymonkey74

Get with the rest of the western world? Don't demographics suggest that many parts of Europe will be largely Muslim in the next 40-60 years? Won't that make belief in evolution go down?

In response to your question, there is a Republican-Evangelical Complex here in the states; the Republican party and Evangelical Christianity support each other; evangelicals are religiously conservative and don't like evolution or abortion. (Republicans are NOT anti-science; they support the world's most advanced weapons systems!) We've also got a lot of scientists here that don't believe in evolution, so perhaps people are more open to skepticism because of the divergence of opinion. In America we root for the underdog, question authority, and generally are rabble-rousers.

I'd also like to point out that Europe is largely atheist; atheists generally need evolution to support their paradigm. The United States is not atheistic; therefore, they don't see a compelling need to accept the tenets of evolution.

I suspect, honestly, that a lot of this is rooted in the philosophical fallout from the First and Second World War and has little to do with science education...

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: boymonkey74

That is why Americans don't believe in evolution or progress. They are #ed in the head.

Is this why they put the man on the moon, have the world's largest economy, and are the premiere military power in today's world?

I'm an American, and I downright despise a lot of what we do. But you've gotta give credit where credit is due.
And frankly, we've been setting the bar for progress for the last few hundred years. This whole "freedom and self-governance" thing, abused and twisted as it is, is, in its modern incarnation, basically a American thing (built on British traditions and Greco-Roman ideas.)

a reply to: StalkerSolent

Nope. It was a Scottish thing implemented poorly by a half-wit group of British freemasons. The only thing that kept America ahead in the last century was the foolishness of Adolf Hitler. Were it not for an influx of some of the greatest European scientists, America would have been irrelevant by the end of WWII. And today, we are beginning to fall behind (our growth rates are abysmal), because we have a global brain drain due to poor governance all around.

Many people had a vision for America as the new Alexandria, a shining light to lead the world, and the US government dropped the ball. Ultimately, I have very little hope for this country anymore. Who knows where the next band of rugged individualists will come from, but I don't see it happening in the states. Maybe if we colonized space, those colonists could form a new government forged in a spirit of individualism and adventure, but until that day, we have kind of hit the doldrums.

originally posted by: StalkerSolent
a reply to: boymonkey74
Get with the rest of the western world? Don't demographics suggest that many parts of Europe will be largely Muslim in the next 40-60 years?#

Hmmmmm what? someones been feeding you a line....

We've also got a lot of scientists here that don't believe in evolution

3% of scientists even in the US......that must've been one big fat line....

so perhaps people are more open to skepticism because of the divergence of opinion. In America we root for the underdog, question authority, and generally are rabble-rousers.

Unless you're a native american?....

I'd also like to point out that Europe is largely atheist; atheists generally need evolution to support their paradigm.

What? not believing in a sky fairy has nothing to do with evolution. This is what's called 'projection'....

The United States is not atheistic; therefore, they don't see a compelling need to accept the tenets of evolution.

.....evolution has nothing to do with theism, and it doesn't have any 'tenants'......wth?

And frankly, we've been setting the bar for progress for the last few hundred years.

The US has only existed for the last 250 years, so I don't think that counts as 'the last few hundred years'.....the last couple? sure.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Because the hard school of reality teaches here that nothing just starts to do anything on its own.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: boymonkey74

Because the hard school of reality teaches here that nothing just starts to do anything on its own.

.....apart from god/s?

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: boymonkey74

Because Iesus Christos created the entire cosmos so that Texas could come into being where the ascended masters would create the Baptist religion which would send out emissaries to every corner of creation to lead all creatures into salvation through slavery.

It is our manifest destiny to create a new alexandria wherein every man of every nation bends their knees and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord.

For all of eternity you will flutter around the throne of the egoist singing HOLY, HOLY, HOLY IS HE who was and is and forever will be.

The trees of knowledge will be gathered up and burned and once the short lived illumination of that pyre extinguishes itself, man's potential will become a holocaust to the glory of the egoist and you will spend the rest of eternity on your knees in perpetual darkness shackled to the throne of your Lord.

"Man was made to worship and you will worship."

That is why Americans don't believe in evolution or progress. They are #ed in the head.

Nah. America started to go south when it began to listen to the "sirens" of science and the gaseous drivel of the "oracle" of modern human interpretation. That hateful bitch told man he was a monkey and the product of some bubbling boil somewhere back in time. Yep, you are not a creature endowed with certain unalienable rights given for your creator but a subject, a tool, a consumer and tax payer. All of this coming on the heals of the monkey babblers. To which we are now admonished to prostrate ourselves or risk being heretic.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: boymonkey74

Because the hard school of reality teaches here that nothing just starts to do anything on its own.

.....apart from god/s?

Nothing just pops up out of nowhere. At least God is taking credit for it. Everything after its own kind.....its all around you every day. Man from apes is not even clever and requires a great deal of gullibility to pass off as something other than hot gas and the vapors of a melancholy mind.

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: StalkerSolent

Nope. It was a Scottish thing implemented poorly by a half-wit group of British freemasons. The only thing that kept America ahead in the last century was the foolishness of Adolf Hitler. Were it not for an influx of some of the greatest European scientists, America would have been irrelevant by the end of WWII. And today, we are beginning to fall behind (our growth rates are abysmal), because we have a global brain drain due to poor governance all around.

Many people had a vision for America as the new Alexandria, a shining light to lead the world, and the US government dropped the ball. Ultimately, I have very little hope for this country anymore. Who knows where the next band of rugged individualists will come from, but I don't see it happening in the states. Maybe if we colonized space, those colonists could form a new government forged in a spirit of individualism and adventure, but until that day, we have kind of hit the doldrums.

Eh. In my opinion, it was a terrible idea to have the government implementing that vision anyway. Private citizens make much better ambassadors to the world.

And it wasn't just Hitler. Fascism and Communism (in a word, totalitarianism) were the competing ideology back in the day. Before that, it was monarchy. Freedom (US/British–and, of course, the Scotch! ) beat them out, but I think it sold itself out doing so...

originally posted by: Logarock

Nothing just pops up out of nowhere. At least God is taking credit for it.

So what you meant to say was 'Nothing just pops up out of nowhere except god/s as he/they take credit for it'?....wat?

And there I was thinking you had attempted to use logic in your explanation...

The USA was founded by people looking for religious freedom. For better or worse religion remains an influential part of our heritage even in the 21st century.

Sal

a reply to: boymonkey74

originally posted by: Prezbo369

Hmmmmm what? someones been feeding you a line....

Could be. It's just my understanding that the Muslim population are reproducing faster than the non-Muslim population, especially in Britain. Aren't there fringe nationalist parties over there going into all sorts of hysterics about that?

3% of scientists even in the US......that must've been one big fat line....

Wiki says 2% of scientists in the US are YECs, 8% believe in evolution guided by God, 87% believe in evolution by mechanistic processes, and 3% NA. Those 2% can be pretty vocal about it, and the Republican-Evangelical Complex gives them a nice platform.

Unless you're a native american?....

I am, partly...

What? not believing in a sky fairy has nothing to do with evolution. This is what's called 'projection'....

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that most atheists believe in evolution. Obviously atheism has been around long before the modern theory of evolution, but it seems only natural that people who don't believe in God will believe in evolution. If you've got numbers showing otherwise, I'd love to see them!

.....evolution has nothing to do with theism, and it doesn't have any 'tenants'......wth?

Eh, science has tenets, although perhaps that wasn't the best choice of words. My main point is that evolution (true or false, it doesn't matter) provides a convenient bedrock for atheism, which has consistently been oppressed by theism throughout the ages. If one is a theist, one may believe in evolution, but there's no real drive for most people to do so (remember, most people don't interact with the geological column or microbiology on a day-to-day basis.) If you believe in a God/sky fairy/flying spaghetti monster, why also bother to believe in evolution when your deity of choice could just create everything? I'm not endorsing this thinking, but the OP wondered why the US of A had such low belief in evolution. I suspect it's related to religious belief, as he posited. In my experience, evolution in the US is sometimes seen as pushing atheism, which is by-and-large rejected by Americans. So the rejection of atheism leads to a rejection of evolution, since they're seen as going hand-in-hand.

The US has only existed for the last 250 years, so I don't think that counts as 'the last few hundred years'.....the last couple? sure.

My bad, I should have been more specific! Anglo (and then) American ideas have been setting the bar since the mid-to-late 1700s; the US as a nation was pretty insignificant in the Grand Scheme Of Things until post-World War One. Thanks for catching me there!

a reply to: Logarock

Dead materialism was a backlash against monotheism and it was useful for a time, because humanity was not yet ready to accept the truth, but it has never been desirable for humanity to embrace pure atheism. It stunts our growth and prevents us from operating to our full potential. The bowls of wisdom are being poured out so that they can mix with the waters of knowledge to synthesize a new epiphany. The future looks rather good from where I'm standing, although it will probably be a rocky road ahead.

Because the United States who is a nation of immigrants knew to get away from the atheist and evolutionist lunatics and find freedom.

a reply to: johngrissom

"There are no atheists in foxholes"

America is a foxhole?