Ferguson - What You Won't See In The News

originally posted by: Expat888
Not buying it .. seems history repeats whenever a certain community feels slighted they resort to looting and burning businesses to protest .. i.e the rodney king riots .. now ferguson .. then theres also the looting and lawlessnes that occured after katrina ..

Theres better more civilised ways of solving problems that DO NOT include burning down businesses .. looting and lawlessness nor is there any justifying such barbaric conduct ..

Meh .. amn off all the apologists will be along shortly and better things to do than listen to excuses for such conduct... heard them all many times already gets tiresome listening to it...

What are you not buying? That there are people in the neighborhood that DO NOT think it sane or productive to destroy the area and steal stuff?

What exactly are you not buying? If a grown "certain community" member told you that he and other "certain community" were just as angry at their fellow "certain community" member's were being greedy, prideless, opportunistic thugs as much as they are at the police for being fascistic, wanna be commando bit**es on steroids, snd they all helped clean up the place after everything settled down, you would really say "nope, you are a "certain community" member and as such, you definitely are a thug too".

It's your view that everyone thought it okay to riot and destroy after the police were excused for publicly torturing a man? Not one mom, dad, not one responsible "certain community" member? They are all smashing windows and taking stuff? Well crap, i better check my closet for any stolen things in it, as a member off a "certain community", you never know what i may have done during bouts of unconsciousness. It's just in our genes.

Enjoy Vietnam/Cambodia border life, sir. I'm sure it must be sweet. As a "ert

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: Bobaganoosh

Strategic assaults against law enforcement is warranted? Even ones that don't work at this agency? Ones that don't even work in the state? Ones that have never brought harm or injustice to a citizen? Ones that have never witnessed harm or injustice committed against a citizen by a coworker?

I am about sick and tired of this blanket vitriol against all police.

So tired in fact why don't you put your money where your mouth is? You want to commit harm against us. Let's go.

Settle down there, officer badass.
Your tanks, drones, bombs, guns, and federal support and protection are more than enough to quell an army, and you know that. But here you are with this nonsense...

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: Bobaganoosh

I do not violate my oath. I have never witnessed anybody I work with violate their oaths. I have never witnessed anybody that I have worked with in surrounding agencies violate their oaths.

When I read an article or see a video where I feel an officer acted unjustly I call it out. I don't hide my feelings trust me.

I am also a member of oathkeepers and obviously ATS.

I have emailed departments in the past and expressed my opinion when i feel an officer is in the wrong. Other then that what I am supposed to do about corruption or an unjust incident that occured thousands of miles away? Please tell me.

Calling for violence against an entire group for the actions of some makes you just as guilty as the "bad cop."

So go ahead and suit up and come after me. I will be ready trust me.

Quit, if you are so good. Someone in your department has ticketed someone for obscenely trivial things in the park after 9, spitting, driving 1 mph too fast, riding bike on the "sidewalk"(while the cops are allowed to drive their cruiser on it), walking through train doors, jaywalking, smoking in certain areas, etc...

You are evil if you enforce any of these laws that do not protect person or property.

Just because you and your bros obey the oath, does not mean you don't make people's lives a bit harder by enforcing laws that are only there to take your damn money. You have a quota of tickets given and arrests to fulfill. That alone gives you no credibility. Period. If you are even associated with an institution that does this, you have no say. You roll with them. Doesn't matter if officer blah blah is a nice guy; if he catches me hanging around the vicinity of U.P.A. corps. office grounds after 10pm, it's not get out of here. Its here's a ticket for $150. And get out of here.

I got ticketed by 2 friendly LEO's for taking a shortcut through an empty gas station on my bike when i was on my way home from playing b-ball at the park. They coasted behind me, told me to stop and come here, smiled, chatted me up with good ole' banter, then gave me a $150 ticket for riding on the sidewalk. Then chatted me up more. Were they nice? Oh yeah. They were courteous; the dude was a comedic wiseguy, the LEO lady was cute and thick. Were they good people? Idk, working a job that involves you forcing large amounts of money out of kids for not actually endangering anybody (the gas station had but one car at the pump farthest from the block i was taking a shortcut too. The total path of my shortcut was no more than 20 feet)? Hmmmm...

And you will be ready; with your departments gear and weaponry. You aint sh*t.

originally posted by: FraggleRock

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: Bobaganoosh

Calling for violence against an entire group for the actions of some makes you just as guilty as the "bad cop."

Watching the live feeds from Ferguson last night this is exactly what happened. Police used violence against an entire group for the actions of a few.

oh, like the IDF against the pali's!

maybe the cops should have just stayed home and let them burn the whole thing down?

funny, what if there was a riot and the cops didn't show up? would they keep rioting and wonder where the cops were?

or would they get freaked out and go home? lol.

"hey man, i don't like this. no cops man, somethings up!"

a reply to: shrevegal

First off, I thank you greatly for the compliments. Seriously. They make me blush, but I do appreciate it. I have my moments, but it pleases me when anyone knows me for kindness and/or humor. I always hope to spread both and we can always use more of both.

I also thank you for sharing your story of Katrina. I watched as that went down like so many others did. I could not believe what I was seeing and if one didn't know better, you could almost swear that the coverage was taking place in some third world country and not the US. I think that's what stuck out most to me at that time. That and so many that lost loved ones, and those that died waiting for water, medication, etc. that was beyond unbelievably tragic.

I saw many rioters/looters that were carrying big screen televisions, but I also saw (albeit maybe for a full minute now that I think about it) people taking supplies they needed. In that situation... I could not fault people for taking necessities. But we saw much more looting of televisions on tv than we did the looting of formula and diapers. Now that I look back I wonder if that wasn't done on purpose as well, so a lot of people would not care how fast or slow the US sent help in there "for the violent thugs".

It's a shame those thoughts even cross people's minds' but I guess that just goes to show how much faith has been lost in the system. It's a shame. I do vividly recall the law enforcement acting the way you described as well. That's just another part of the reason faith is being lost in the system.

I think things will get much worse, though I do hope that I am wrong.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe


I was hoping to see a thread with a subject like this. There is no way, IMO, that a dark situation doesn't bring the good citizens together and re-forge the idea of "neighborhood."

Thanks for sharing.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe


I was hoping to see a thread with a subject like this. There is no way, IMO, that a dark situation doesn't bring the good citizens together and re-forge the idea of "neighborhood."

Thanks for sharing.

You are more than welcome. Sometimes it's tiring to never see a good story on the news. The only thing I have seen covered about this was the rioting and looting. I had to go in search of this and it wasn't on any of the MSM sites when I found it.

Sometimes you need just a bit more than 24/7 doomporn marathons.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe
Sounds like SOP for the police everywhere.

I was around when the Croydon riot kicked off in 2011. The police could have kettled the rioters in a pedestrian precinct with four exits, two of them less than fifteen feet wide, and suppressed the riot in no time at all.

However, the precinct contains all the corporate stores, the Starbucks, the Mcdonalds etc. So, the police cordoned off the area and let the rioters smash up all the family businesses in surrounding area. Plenty of drama, plenty of shocking photos, millions of pounds worth of damage - all avoidable.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Hi again Kang...I hope you don't mind I shorten your handle like that, my carple tunnel dealy gets me to shortening things here and there. LOL. Anyway, Your post here is so important and relevant as I feel like when events such as this one in Ferguson and even Katrina occur, the MSM slants the heck out of what is taking place. They'll show the looting but never investigate as to who the looters were and where they came from. Many criminals of opportunity will come from out lying areas and take advantage of the situation. Folks protesting aren't usually participating as they can't be in 2 places at once as I've mentioned to others in some threads.

When Katrina happened, they did concentrate more on the tvs and appliances and such being taken. The decent folks without electricity were not taking such things...what good are such with no electricity...only the criminal minded were taking such for future sales on the street and the like. The actual victims suffering had survival and basic needs to worry about and to try to obtain.

I was amazed when all the really big ticket items taken were found in garages ands storage places that belonged to the local cops. Nice guys those. Of course any of the looters could have been some of the police as, of course, they wouldn't have been wearing their uniforms to do such. Gosh, what a weird, crazy, bassackwards world we live in anymore. Blessings to you friend.

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: FraggleRock

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: Bobaganoosh

Calling for violence against an entire group for the actions of some makes you just as guilty as the "bad cop."

Watching the live feeds from Ferguson last night this is exactly what happened. Police used violence against an entire group for the actions of a few.

oh, like the IDF against the pali's!

maybe the cops should have just stayed home and let them burn the whole thing down?

funny, what if there was a riot and the cops didn't show up? would they keep rioting and wonder where the cops were?

or would they get freaked out and go home? lol.

"hey man, i don't like this. no cops man, somethings up!"

How does anything you posted relate to my post? Not being confrontational or rude I'm seriously just baffled.

I've read and re-read my post multiple times and I'm still trying to see where I said police should stay home and let people burn the whole thing down.

Unless of course it's your position that all protestors were/are rioters and thus the only two options for police is to use violence against them all or just not show up. In which case I would respectfully disagree and instead suggest that perhaps part of the law enforcements responsibility was to protect the protestors from those rioters rather than treating them all as such.

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: FraggleRock

I thought you were condoing the other posters statement calling for strategic assaults against the police everywhere because of the preceived injustices committed by the Ferguson PD.

If I misinterpreted your statement I apologize. I guess I am on the defensive because everywhere I turn I am getting hate.

Even though I am in Florida and have done nothing wrong the negative comments from people, flicking me off as I drive by, the increased negative blanket comments on ATS, etc have all increased.

It is taking its toll on me.

Many of the friends I have had over the years who were in law enforcement (local and fed) have basically said the same thing. Some of the guys who are now supervisors/Chiefs after thirty years are packing it in not because they want to but because of some of the new hire attitudes about pedestrians; a big 'us and them attitude' is very prevalent in some departments.. It is a two sided sword where some members of the population get their jollies off and show what a man they are by going out of their way to disrespect police and mouth off.. it is an authority thing...

With the internet and the showing of cops gone wild.... it is fermenting a deep disrespect and hatred of all things cop in some neighborhoods.... I have to say in some neighborhoods rightly so, due to the actions of those so called bad apples if some reports can be believed....... I think part of it (which crosses all race barriers) is the cops are seen as the enforcers of the government. There appears to be ???? small groups who hate everything and everyone unless you are part of their group to include hate of the government.. unfortunately some perceive cops being the same way; if you are not a cop then fair game...... which due to the badge allows them to get away with stuff that would cause a NON-COP to spend many years behind bars..... A thinking person has to wonder where this will all end for it is a vicious cycle with very few good outcomes IMO..

A start would be all cops wore tamper proof video cameras... That would certainly go a long way to protecting the police doing a proper job and a pedestrian who is actually innocent from any wrong doing. Win win for both sides.. Anyway I wish you well an hope you can find another decent paying job and something you like to do that is fulfilling..

My grand daddy used to say if you walk through a cow lot long enough you start smelling like a cow.. That really is true on so many different levels, IMO.

If some people have to deal with the dregs of humanity every day pretty soon they think everyone is a P.O.S. DREG, no? Hard to separate the good from the truly bad after years of the same old dreggie crap.

Anyway good luck

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

A thread by Rue? I'm in, SnF!

All I'm say'n is I'm glad I had the savy not to take a dog
in this fight. I realise a no win sitcom when I see one.

a reply to: 727Sky

Many of the friends I have had over the years who were in law enforcement (local and fed) have basically said the same thing. Some of the guys who are now supervisors/Chiefs after thirty years are packing it in ... -snip-

Well said (even the part that was subtle). For perspective ... my badge has hung on the wall for 16 years now. My career in LE was the most rewarding and interesting/fun period of my life. The camaraderie, professional challenges, the satisfaction of community service, and much more ... would be difficult to write about, even if I had the inclination to take on a novel.

There's a time to go. When you decide you want to square up over words ... it's time for a critical self-assessment.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
He stated to the camera and reporter that the riots and looting that struck Ferguson that first night were allowed to happen. He said the Police could have stopped it easily I when it started but they didn't even try. He said that they allowed it to start and continue for a good while before they even started to act.

When asked why he thought that happened... He said he thinks that it was to make the world look at Ferguson negatively because of those events and that it was taking the heat off of what happened to cause a young man to lose his life far too early.

As I said in another thread on this, it seems logical that a police force using military weaponry to intimidate and threaten the public would also use other aspects of warfare, such as propaganda and media.

We have seen reports that the US authorities are using service providers to block the use of hashtags on Twitter and discussions on Facebook when related to Ferguson. So, why would we not believe that the DHS and police force are using psychological tactics to attempt to control and manipulate public opinion?

It's a core aspect of any war, and the police and DHS clearly treat instances like this as a military battle, even down to the weapons they use on the ground.

And I mention DHS because they have been proven to be involved in at least advising local and state law enforcement in the US, as seen during the coordinated attacks on Occupy camps and protests, where exactly the same formula was used across the US in a planned execution of eviction and mass arrests, clearly coordinated from a central control and witnessed by hundreds of thousands of people across social media at the time.

The DHS (or a subsidiary of it) clearly proposed a plan to shut down the Occupy movement, and dispatched this plan across the US to all major Occupy locations, and it all began at exactly the same time in each location, with exactly the same process. It's improbable that all these local police forces suddenly managed to discuss, plan and coordinate this on their own.

Ultimately, the propaganda efforts will not work on most people. None of the actions taken by a rowdy crowd will change the fact that an unarmed teenager merely accused of a crime was shot dead in the street by a police officer who his own force admit had no evidence of his guilt. Even if there were immediate evidence, it would not justify execution by a police officer.

That crowd could burn down the entire town in the night, loot every store, throw heavy weapons at the police, and it STILL would not justify the police in their actions in the shooting of that boy, nor would it justify the military presence the citizens encountered in the streets after.

If anything, the initial murder and the subsequent military presence there threatening the public should have the entire country marching on Washington to demand a demilitarization of their police force immediately.

This is an opportunity for all sides to come together, which is something the leadership is TERRIFIED of. They use divisive politics (right v left) to keep you all arguing over the stage show, meaningless things in the grand scheme, while they carry on about their business and hope that no one realizes. Now is the time for liberals, conservatives, libertarians and more to all come together and fight for the same things - these things include genuine liberty for all, a demilitarization of the police, a halt of the military presence from its increasing encroachment on the public, a smaller government and rights for all individuals.

This is a very big opportunity for the public to forget about their individual distracting politics and start demanding the same things. That is what your government is terrified of, and that is what this growing movement needs to exploit.

End the divide and conquer mentality that has worked so well against the American public for far too long.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

A thread by Rue? I'm in, SnF!

All I'm say'n is I'm glad I had the savy not to take a dog
in this fight. I realise a no win sitcom when I see one.

Indeed. There are many sides to this like there are in most real life stories. I can see most all of the sides and just hope it can all end without more loss of life or loss of freedoms. It seems this was just the straw that broke the camel's back here. It wasn't Michael Brown alone that set it off I don't think. I think this has probably been a long time coming.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Yeah, what I noticed most was how utterly helpless those
people were in opposition to that militarized, goon squad.
We're at their mercy it seems.

originally posted by: Expat888
Not buying it .. seems history repeats whenever a certain community feels slighted they resort to looting and burning businesses to protest .. i.e the rodney king riots .. now ferguson .. then theres also the looting and lawlessnes that occured after katrina ..

Theres better more civilised ways of solving problems that DO NOT include burning down businesses .. looting and lawlessness nor is there any justifying such barbaric conduct ..

Meh .. amn off all the apologists will be along shortly and better things to do than listen to excuses for such conduct... heard them all many times already gets tiresome listening to it...

History does repeat, just some examples...

2014, Ferguson, MO
Mars in Scorpio square Jupiter in Leo, Saturn in Scorpio squaring Sun in Leo

1992, Los Angeles, CA
Mars in Pisces semi-square to Sun in Taurus (Rodney King riots)

1967, Detroit, MI
Mars in Scorpio square Sun in Leo (Detroit Riots, Lyndon Johnson calls in National Guard)

1943, Harlem, NY
Mars in Taurus (Scorpio's opposite) square Sun, Moon, and Jupiter in Leo (Harlem Riots)

I've said it before and I will say it again, we have 5-6 years of craziness if we are lucky. This will include more violence, more oppression/suppression, and a few stock crashes (which may be the cause of some of the prior).

The main thing you should note is the above issues are falling within fixed signs.

Always remember... "The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

a reply to: WCmutant

There is a 30ish year pattern for Los Angeles and they are due for another one.

Zoot Suit riots 1943
Watts Riots 1965
South Central (Rodney King) riots 1992

We are about due for the next one don'tcha think?

originally posted by: VforVendettea
a reply to: WCmutant

There is a 30ish year pattern for Los Angeles and they are due for another one.

Zoot Suit riots 1943
Watts Riots 1965
South Central (Rodney King) riots 1992

We are about due for the next one don'tcha think?

Watts Riots August 11-17, 1965
Took place with Neptune (beliefs) in Scorpio squared Sun in Leo and Moon (emotions) in Aquarius. With an even more ominous Saturn in Pisces opposite Uranus and Pluto conjunct in Virgo.

Uranus (rebellion and change) conjunct Pluto (transformation, death, rebirth) opposite Saturn (structure/rules, government, etc). With the added squaring of the fixed signs (Scorpio, Leo, Aquarius) the Watts Riots were bound to happen.

Zoot Suit Riots - I can't seem to find specific dates for them, and they appear to have occurred on more than one occasion.

It's not so much a 30-year pattern as it is if you watch the planetary movements. Because they are cyclical they do repeat in different ways.

The main reason these things are bound to happen is to be very honest human beings don't change - we don't really learn, we don't adhere to the ideals that we often profess. Nothing can really change or be different until we change first.

a reply to: WCmutant

Let me look for the dates of the zoot suit riots. One of them lasted ten days but so far I haven't pinned it down

I'll post as soon as I find it.

www.laweekly.com...

Looks like there were a few I missed but the LAPD history of abuse goes back for more than a century.