Isis still butchering, UKs` response? `lets drop food`!

Well guys it seems even though the few US air strikes , did help the kurds take a couple of tiny villages back (yay)

it did nothing but make the isis change their tactics and simply be more cautious, and the pentagon have admitted their strikes are doing nothing to help the overall situation, literally its like kicking a hornets nest.
www.foxnews.com...


However, lets forward to the situation now where as recent as today, more towns are captured by isis, this time in Syria, not far from the Turkey border would you believe it!

www.aljazeera.com...

The UK (just like the US) are terrified at a prospect of sending in troops, (they dont want to look bad or offend people), whatever.. and keep stressing there will be no `boots on the ground`. Yep.

So today there was an agreement to send in aid, yep more rice/ water/ lamp bottles, keep doing that, all you are doing is giving the poor yazidis and minority groups ( theres literally about 750 000 people being persecuted if you count christians/ yazidis and other sects), a bit more borrowed time to live that is all it is, its like not pulling out the life support machine just yet.

Generals have spoken out both in the UK and U.S and firmly said this is different to the taliban or even al kaieda at their strongest, this is like aztecs meets nazi germany ON STEROIDS, this is a barbaric cult who enjoy mass killing / torture/ slavery to literally anyone on a mass scale, and have huge funding, large numbers of fighters, and large numbers joining every day. This is the single biggest threat in our life times to the civilised world, because they have stated clearly, their goal is the west when they get the middle east.

We still have a chance now to stop this. Imagine if its another month till any firm direct military action is taken, and by then its too late!
we have the chance to divert a genocide now, and i`m not just referring to the yazeedes, as granted countries are starting to rescue them, albeit under fire, i`m aware of that, but at this rate of rescuing about 10-20 each time, it would take many months as there are literally thousands of them still stuck in the mountains. And not just yazeedes, christians all other minority groups, even muslims who dont agree with isis are being butchered.

History could well look back years from now to this government and say `why did you not do anything about it when the warnings and pleas were there`!

Oh, sorry, i forgot, obama is too busy playing golf, and the media are too interested in covering robin williams to care!

great, nobody seems to care.

keep enjoying your robin williams tribute clips, lets just hope that the slow beheadings and tortures going on in iraq and syria right now, all stop while you watch youtube

Maybe you should be making the decisions.

Everything being done is simply not good enough, is it ?

The world is full of problems and sorrows.

But don't beat us up because, just for a moment, we're distracted by something else.

I'm sure something is in the works, prolly send NATO in with detachments all across the world....
Maybe....Maybe CHINA might step in or Russia, imagine that now.
Strikes an Food aid is what we can do right now, but its not cheap putting boots on ground, not cheap at all.
I think once ISIS hits a major nerve, then maybe it might entail a response.
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I take a step back an look at similar times in life, much like the Romans an Barbians of the north, maybe this is a dejavu from times past.
Whatever the case, people wanted the US out an screamed bloody murder....and we are out, but now they are screaming for us to go back in?
MAKE UP YOUR MINDS FOLKS!

a reply to: dinogirl

What would you have us drop? Bombs and shells don't discriminate im afraid and considering the amount of women, children and refugees that are also in the same area food seems like a logical choice to me. In point of fact that's why is being dropped.

a reply to: dinogirl

I don't have any military experience, so I can't give any advice on how to change their strategy,but they should.

This is indeed too slow,- 10-20 people a time- and it's not going to work.


They need to figure something else out. Another way to save those people.
Keep sending them food is very good but only a short term solution.

IS is getting bigger every day. I'm really worried about this.

a reply to: dinogirl

The UK response is the correct one , sometimes it's best to stand back and asses a situation rather than rush in and regret it , there's no point putting boots on the ground aid and air power are the best option.

a reply to: gortex

For now the UK is doing the right thing.

If we were to send in troops, it would do little to quell the ranks of Isis, if anything it might create more of them, as they 'rush to aid their brothers'...

The best thing right now, is to try and organise a complete escape for the trapped Kurds, whilst quietly and effectively picking off Isis with drone and air strikes at strategic points.

Don't forget Isis have control of the biggest dam in Iraq, I'm sure they're using this as a bargaining chip.

If that's the situation, we need to use special forces to eventually claim the dam before anything else, otherwise we're liable to see Baghdad and a hundred towns and villages under water.

For now, the best course of action is direct aid, intelligence and recon.

originally posted by: mr-lizard
a reply to: gortex

For now the UK is doing the right thing.

If we were to send in troops, it would do little to quell the ranks of Isis, if anything it might create more of them, as they 'rush to aid their brothers'...

The best thing right now, is to try and organise a complete escape for the trapped Kurds, whilst quietly and effectively picking off Isis with drone and air strikes at strategic points.

Don't forget Isis have control of the biggest dam in Iraq, I'm sure they're using this as a bargaining chip.

If that's the situation, we need to use special forces to eventually claim the dam before anything else, otherwise we're liable to see Baghdad and a hundred towns and villages under water.

For now, the best course of action is direct aid, intelligence and recon.

You are right i forgot about the dam, they could put most of Iraq under water. Yikes.

Iraq didn't want us there any longer. and we didn't want our troops being tried by iraqi courts (I had a son in the service at the time and I would of freaked out if he were tried under their court system for following the orders given to him by his superiors and I imagine you would also!

we are also now having the problem that our economy is quite unstable which is probably more a side effect of the years of war we already went through. Russia and China seem to both want to be in the position of world leader I say let them handle this one!

a reply to: dinogirl

ATS is full of people that seem to have al the answers and all the information. Where they get said information is a mystery to me and many others. The fact is, in the real world, things are not black-and-white nor are they as simple as they seem from the comfortable glow of your laptop. There are tens-of-thousands of innocents trapped with no food, water or shelter that are perishing. What 10yrs of war in that region should have taught us (added to our experience in Vietnam) is that you can't just shock-and-awe some enemies into submission if they are embedded into the local populations. Although arguably we caused this problem, it is Iraq, Syria and now apparently Lebanon's direct problem to combat. What the US, UK and UN are attempting to do is rescue these people by forcing ISIS to scatter while we get these poor people basic aide and figure out how to save them. Or should we just nuke the whole area? You're the general. You make the call. How would YOU save them OP?

a reply to: jtma508

You should be pointing your criticisms at the Iraqi Government not your fellow members , they bear the blame for what is happening in their country now.

We are doing what needs to be done , others in the region need to do what they need to do.

a reply to: gortex

I think what should be readily apparent is that my criticism is focused on the content and context of the OP. And I clearly state that it is the Iraqi governments problem, along with others, notwithstanding the fact that we are largely responsible for it to begin with.

Newest headlines

Islamic State's shocking barbarity prompts calls for world to act

www.foxnews.com...

I quote

``A list of heinous acts attributed to ISIS include mass executions of Iraqis, severed heads affixed to poles in conquered towns and an endless stream of photos and video put out on the Internet showing killers grinning next to their innocent victims.

Canon Andrew White, the vicar of the Anglican Church in Baghdad, said a five-year-old Christian boy was "cut in half" by ISIS fighters, in an account shocking even by ISIS standards. White, who heads St. George's Church, in the heart of Baghdad, said the boy -- named "Andrew" after White, who baptized him -- was killed when ISIS stormed the Christian town of Qaraqosh in northern Iraq.``

PS this isnt just an eyewitness account of something which happened months ago, this is happening on going again and again, possibly even now as i type this.

Perhaps who ever is in charge, could organised mercenaries to go in and fight the ISIS? some people kill just for the fun of it, sort out some of the gung-ho American policemen perhaps? round up the Chicago gangs and shovel them into the fight? KKK? motor cycle gangs? the more you look, the more you find?

and who is behind ISIS?
Some say it was the US that originally put them into action.
Athough I am sure that FOX isn't.

just like we went into Iraq and overthrew the gov't and then just let the stashes of weapons that saddam had under his control be unguarded so the extremists could come in and walk away with them!

For some reason the western gov'ts want the area in a state of confusion and upheaval so ya go one and beat the ole war drums!!!

sorry I'll sit this one out! they've already have done way too much damage and destroyed enough lives at home as well as abroad.

Latest news is an air bridge and president Obama would be making the decision the following days. Where they (yazidi's, other refugees) in the Sinjar mountains should be taken is as of yet unknown. But a military humanitarian rescue mission sounds right. Hopefully the Americans want to play hero again, it's a good thing of them to do even if they don't have to.

I'm not niave about this. When they do these air raids, are they really getting ISIS or are they getting ISIS's targets? The news guy said, this isn't from us, its what the government is giving us to say (paraphrased), so considering that, we don't know what happened.

When they send aid to the "christians and other ancient populations, is it really for them, or are they dropping aid to ISIS?

I don't trust them.

originally posted by: dinogirl
great, nobody seems to care.

keep enjoying your robin williams tribute clips, lets just hope that the slow beheadings and tortures going on in iraq and syria right now, all stop while you watch youtube

I cared - I even took to David Cameron's facebook page to let him know. Oddly enough, it was the next day after I made the post that MP's and Generals started coming out demanding tougher action.

Thing is, after the Syria vote last year (which ironically would have actually stopped ISIS in their tracks there), the Government is terrified of having it's foreign policy hamstrung by Parliament because that vote set a precedent.

The PM does not need Parliament's approval to intervene, but has now tied his hands behind his back by trying to appear "democratic", so the hand wringers can now control foreign policy.

If the uk wasn't dropping food and water we would have a lot more dead people up on that mountain

Starvation and dehydration