Australia embraces missile and naval ties as it cements US defence pact

I think this is a good move, You think your going to be a first strike for China, You've always been in the cross hairs of China. With China looking to secure itself for the future, and Australia having such a vast continent with tons of raw materials to be had. Australia was eventually going to have to choose a side. China was and still is looking to bleed most countries from the inside out. This really does nothing to stop CHina, only to deter it from silly moves like trying to take Australia over militarily. They will eventually take it over using side agreements that your fellow Aussie leaders agree too, and sell you under, just like America and their corporate greed, When they use Corporation to do their work, its not nearly as damaging than a standing army, and can acheive the same desire, may take longer, but thats the way China works. Like a snake

a reply to: oddnutz

Each country should, in reality, be responsible for itself. Allies are allies.

Until they aren't.

C'est la vie.

originally posted by: oddnutz

Not afraid of china but you don't go and poke a bear with a stick and its a very rreal future possibility China could come out on top of America and how will you help us then?

No offense but this sounds a lot like some of the Doom porn threads.

So, taking a defensive posture is "Poking a bear" which might have the Chinese boogeyman come get you....

I don't have many problems with deeper military ties with the USA, so long as we are not coerced to pick the USA over China, as Hillary Clinton suggested we do.

I believe Australia can enjoy a military relationship with the USA, while also enjoying an economic one with China.

Edit: Some parts of the agreements may be troubling though, like deeper ties with Japan. Just a question. Why does Australia need to assert itself into an Asian conflict? Stupid move, in my opinion.

It's not just China that's a possible threat, there's North Korea, Indonesia and East Timor off the top of my head!

Maybe even Tonga after Chris Liley's efforts!

But seriously, go and read the white papers back when Rudd was PM, our Asian neighbours have been top of mind for sometime, when it comes to defence.

I couldn't name a single Australian PM until the present one, but everything I've seen of him, convinces me that we have indeed been taken over by the reptile alien species.

a reply to: oddnutz


I think uou mean Australia politicians embraces US Ownership

a reply to: keenasbro

More indications that Australia is not governed by the people for the people because if we were, we would have required the government to hold a referendum on this and the government would have complied without a murmer of protest.

Check-out this video of Tony Abbott being interviewed.

www.youtube.com...

Now, imagine this lunatic with his finger on a missile launch button!

Storm + Teacup

originally posted by: Psynic
Check-out this video of Tony Abbott being interviewed.

This is the previous PM


No one would want to press the button after he touched it!

What missiles can the Australian PM launch anyway?

a reply to: oddnutz

China's main economy, their main source of income, is American manufacturing jobs, there is NO worry from China. They can run their mouth all they want, it's a political stance, that's it. They will invade nobody. All they are is a larger North Korea, all talk, no action

a reply to: oddnutz

Sounds like Australia has its own version of Harper. LOL

a reply to: weirdguy

I don't see any problem with a US base here. It's better that it happens now, rather than when China has reached New Guinea. I watched the speech too, the part where Kerry said,

The facts are the Chinese would never need to militarily invade Australia because they are already well on the way to out man-powering us with their nationals right here in Australia.
Plus being able to out invest us of property and industry. The war is lost before even begun, there are other methods of war besides the military version you know!.
One more point we and the US enjoy their business demands for raw materials and cheap manufacturing labor for big business. So anglo nations have no one but these themselves to blame as usual!.

a reply to: daaskapital

I believe Australia can enjoy a military relationship with the USA, while also enjoying an economic one with China.

A nice recipe for being the proverbial meat in the sandwich. Ofcause Australia doesn't stand chance of being anything but tourist resort and a quarry.
So a dumb country deserves fairy tale views of foreign policy harmony but that's not the way the governments of world powers work, appeasement never works. The powerful will always dominate the weak in any sphere of life Australia is like dumb hooker caught between two aggressive clients both demanding a good time at once

a reply to: Wrabbit2000
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We do not all think that way ...

Aussie and US forces have always had a lot of mutual interests, in which
A sharing of "stuff" has cemented a bond of mateship - by way of a similar way of - I dunno ... being ?

That of course includes the occasional blood nose and beer afterwards !

We have each others backs ...
We both - along with other allies - all bring something to the table.

Some good yarns too !

a reply to: Timely


Such as? Our sports are different? , maybe you mean the TV programs both freeview and foxtel but if thats the common bond it means two perverted and brain dead nations sharing remnants of anglo-celtic heritage then thats the only point of commonality its pretty weak. There will soon be more asians in Australia than europeans so forget this phoney anglo alliance attitude it has no future!.

a reply to: 74joff

Not my quote .
But yeah. Sport is on thing we share. Golf ? Tennis ? Etc.

Humour ( although there can be culture gaps ) kids attitudes etc. It is a western lifestyle thing.
It is what it is.

I enjoyed my time in the U.S. And got to witness my opinion first hand.

Much of early Australian television consisted of US and British content.
Also Japanese ! I can still remember Shintaro (The Samurai) with Tombay as his eager-ninja ! lol.

Ten points to anyone who can remember the " Phantom Agents " ... !

C'mon Skip !

a reply to: Timely

Much of early Australian television consisted of US and British content. Also Japanese ! I can still remember Shintaro (The Samurai) with Tombay as his eager-ninja ! lol.

How old are you? I dont know where you get this idea that our early tv was american programs. Definitely British yes esp in the 50s,60s,1970s. American stuff only become big here from about the mid 80s onwards your stretching the truth there to suit a weak argument. Are you some american or Australian? or expat? or what?

a reply to: 74joff

You are very much on the front foot mate ...

The Rifleman, My three sons , do a google search ...
Your youth and ignorance is on show .





Sorry to go off topic OP !