Muzzle flash simulator

Muzzle flash simulator link

Solicitation Number: F3G5GA4204A001-MuzzleFlashSimulator

The Government is looking for information on companies that can provide a Muzzle Flash Simulator that, at a minimum, has the following: 1) System must be portable and not permanently mounted to any live fire pop-up target scoreable range 2) System must be able to simulate a variety of enemy engagements, including but not limited to single shot fire, three round burst fire, sporadic fire, and fire/reload/fire 3) System must be actuated by a switch that is mounted to the lifting mechanism of the target. I.E, when the target is down the system does not engage, when the target is up it will simulate the required engagement until the target is hit, at which point the target will drop and the system ends the simulation 4) System must be able to be powered by standard 110V AC plug 5) System must be all weather capable 6) System that allows one control box with two led light shot simulators

I assume this has something to do with Red Flag or the fighter weapons school. Maybe they want something on the ground that looks like small arms fire as viewed from aircraft, but of course without the bullets.

Okay, that's spooky.

*gotta figure out a way to make barrel sheilds...

a reply to: gariac

Training equipment.

Or they are trying to create a way to get attention away from the 'real' troops firing weapons somewhere else. Awesome distraction/diversion method if you ask me, while the enemy's are trying to shoot the suspected shooters(these devices), they can circle around and hammer them hard!

I want to make one now!

Looks to me like something for a "live"-fire exercise course. Currently targets used in such courses don't shoot back, so having simulated return fire makes the training more realistic. Let's don't read more to this than there is -Occam's Razor, you know?

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: gariac

Training equipment.

Or they are trying to create a way to get attention away from the 'real' troops firing weapons somewhere else.

No, just training equipment
www.theissentraining.com...[target]=9
and
www.warrior-edge.com...

a reply to: hellobruce

I know it's listed that way but if I was a black op specialist I would love a small, disposable, stand alone device that I could easily attach to something, such as this, to create misdirection. I was in no way saying the gov't is going to use it for this purpose but it sure would be a good idea if they did!

Movie prop companies will probably end up with this contract since they already specialize in these devices. A simple programmer can do all they ask for technically speaking and the blanks used are already in production to simulate different weapon types.

originally posted by: AnteBellum
Movie prop companies will probably end up with this contract since they already specialize in these devices.

If you had actually read it why do you think there is a contract involved? It is just a Request for Information....

a reply to: hellobruce

Because that's the way these projects work.
1.) Issue an RFI
2.) Review suitable applicants
3.) Pick ones that are capable and resourceful
4.) Develop schematics of items in question
5.) Prototype
6.) R and D
7.) Repeat step 5 through 6 if needed
8.) Quantity assessment
9.) Start production phase
Obviously they want someone to build them eventually, whether outsourced or not.

Since there was no mention of sound, I assume the simulator was to be viewed from aircraft, where the pilot wouldn't hear much of anything even with live rounds. Well unless hit.

No blanks, just LEDs per the request.

Making the flashes isn't that hard, but this thing had to detect when it was hit and then stop flashing.

Now I admit something that flashed and made gun sounds would be a deterrent at the Nellis border. But you wouldn't hear the rounds hit nearby. Then again, they could be warning shots.

originally posted by: gariac
Since there was no mention of sound, I assume the simulator was to be viewed from aircraft, where the pilot wouldn't hear much of anything even with live rounds. Well unless hit.

No blanks, just LEDs per the request.

Making the flashes isn't that hard, but this thing had to detect when it was hit and then stop flashing.

Now I admit something that flashed and made gun sounds would be a deterrent at the Nellis border. But you wouldn't hear the rounds hit nearby. Then again, they could be warning shots.

Okay, have you ever actually seen USPSA, IDPA, or 3-Gun competitions? One type of target used is called a "popper." Some targets are spring-loaded so they "pop" back up after being hit, some must be put back up manually. They "know" when they've been hit because they fall down. These are stone simple devices. How hard can it be to add a little sophistication in the way of electronics, micro-switches, sensors, whatever, to handle what the request is outlining? This is simply a request for a training tool allowing simulated combat with simulated - and distracting - counter-fire effects.

a reply to: gariac
One of my customers sent me your RFI on MFS (Muzzle Flash Simulators). I may be able to provide you with some assistance/input to some of the good products out there and some of the areas to stay clear of, if you are interested. I have been a test bed for several small/large companies on their products, and I think I can steer you towards a company that has designed and built a MFS that specifically meets your demands of

1) System must be portable and not permanently mounted to any live fire pop-up target scoreable range
2) System must be able to simulate a variety of enemy engagements, including but not limited to single shot fire, three round burst fire, sporadic fire, and fire/reload/fire
3) System must be actuated by a switch that is mounted to the lifting mechanism of the target. I.E, when the target is down the system does not engage, when the target is up it will simulate the required engagement until the target is hit, at which point the target will drop and the system ends the simulation
4) System must be able to be powered by standard 110V AC plug
5) System must be all weather capable
6) System that allows one control box with two led light shot simulators

If you are interested in talking shop, drop me a line.