if you're gonna spread misinfo and disinfo atleast learn English.

originally posted by: mattsawaufo
Too many times on this website I've seen someone with an agenda that is not American and it's obvious because they don't know English.

They use the word "whom" for example, only people here that teach or majored in English in college use the word whom. They actually think they are fluent when they're not. You're not fooling us.

It reminds me of Americans that use 'whilst' or 'amongst'. To me it sounds stupid, to others it sounds proper.

As an American, I'd like to apologize for the OP, whom posted whilst being an idiot.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Thank you Mysterious. My mother was a grammar Nazi and believed that everyone should speak and write properly. I am neither an English teacher nor an English major but thanks to her tutelage I can speak and write properly if I take the time to read it after I've typed it.
Just for the record---English majors don't actually study grammar; that is supposed to be taught in "grammar school" so no need of it by the time they get to university. There were remedial courses in English for those needing instruction in grammar. A close relative of mine was an English professor for a lot of years, never taught grammar.

originally posted by: mattsawaufo
Too many times on this website I've seen someone with an agenda that is not American and it's obvious because they don't know English.

They use the word "whom" for example, only people here that teach or majored in English in college use the word whom. They actually think they are fluent when they're not. You're not fooling us.

So if you have an agenda it has to be an American one?
So what if someone has an agenda and they're not American?
Why does that matter?

Please answer that i'd like to read your reply



This is an international website. People from all over the World use it.

You come across as someone who does'nt speak english because your OP is littered with grammar errors.
That makes you a hypocrite.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

I've heard 4 year olds speak better fluent English.

I agree this is getting ridiculous...

...from now on everyone should start making posts in their native language.

a reply to: mattsawaufo

What?
Answer this...

So if you have an agenda it has to be an American one? So what if someone has an agenda and they're not American? Why does that matter?

a reply to: mattsawaufo

I think your beef should be with people who don't know how to use:

to, too, two;

usage of plural/possessive apostrophe s;

there, their.

It is those people toward whom your anger should be directed.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Yeah we're sort of prohibited from aiding or comforting the enemies of the united states. Says so in the u.s. constitution. And when someone attacks your military ally they're sort of your enemy too, that's what an ally is. Get it?

It's in the section about treason.

originally posted by: signalfire

originally posted by: mattsawaufo
Too many times on this website I've seen someone with an agenda that is not American and it's obvious because they don't know English.

They use the word "whom" for example, only people here that teach or majored in English in college use the word whom. They actually think they are fluent when they're not. You're not fooling us.

It reminds me of Americans that use 'whilst' or 'amongst'. To me it sounds stupid, to others it sounds proper.

As an American, I'd like to apologize for the OP, whom posted whilst being an idiot.

I admire your honesty
To whom it may concern the op has been smoking crack !

originally posted by: mattsawaufo
Too many times on this website I've seen someone with an agenda that is not American and it's obvious because they don't know English.

They use the word "whom" for example, only people here that teach or majored in English in college use the word whom. They actually think they are fluent when they're not. You're not fooling us.

Whom IS PROPER English so it would seem you need to learn English. People say "to who" when it's actually "to whom."

Does it really matter? Most of the non native English speakers on here are better than many Americans for crying out loud. If you're going to pick apart bad grammar why not those who can't use "their," "there" or "they're," that DO speak English as a first language because I tell you what there are many and not only on ATS but the internet in general. Why stop there, what about "to" and "too"? I could go on. ATS is an international website meaning not everyone will speak English fully and to be honest I think those that don't do a damn good job trying!


Here's a happy song to get your grammar skills up to par. youtu.be...

a reply to: mattsawaufo


Awwwwwww....somebody needs a hug.



I sometimes use whom. Not a teacher, nor English major. Born and raised in America. Land of many languages.

Des

Well, speaking for myself, my agenda isn't American, I'm Canadian.

But I do try to write with proper English words as this is an English Website and even though my native language is French.

When I see a post or an OP with plenty of spelling mistakes, I never think that the writer is an uneducated idiot but most probably someone who's first language isn't English. Diversity here is an asset. Who cares about misspelled words here and there? I surely don't.

originally posted by: SonoftheSun
though my native language is French..

Really?! Have I ever told you how great you are? Hehe. Sorry I'm a bit coo coo for the French language, it's beautiful, I wish I were fluent. I dream sometimes I'm one of those people who wake up randomly and can speak another language for no apparent reason.....hey it could happen!

your English is great. I envy multilingual people.

I am in England and I use ''whom'', ''whilst'' and ''amongst''. I am well educated and use these in context.

US English varies from UK English and I don't mind the variations.

I also don't mind other languages ways of speaking English as long as it is within comprehension and when it is written online it normally is.

I also think it is good to get international viewpoints.

a reply to: mattsawaufo

Youre prob one of the most IGNORANT person I have ever met. Did you know people in the middle of no where in the villages of Sierra Leone have internet? That person may know english, so thats the reason why people are not typing correctly. And please, stop being a grammar NAZI..

its super annoying.

a reply to: Expat888

- we just yell louder at people who don't speak English - it proves how studpid they are.

I've agreed with every poster so far - I'm proud of you ATS.

EDIT:

Well as usual, I spoke too soon. Mostly proud of ATS

I was taught a simple rule about the who/whom problem. If you can replace the object pronoun with HIM you use Whom. Not english major, can't spell worth cr*p (doesn't stop me from using the words I want - that's what editors are for) nor is my grammer very pretty (also a job for editors)

Again - Good Going ATS


EDIT AGAIN:

BTW - the best way to learn grammer for me (and I had a hard core linguist mother - I did not inherit her facility - my daughter did ) was to actually study another language and I've studied a couple - not to fluency - but I learned a lot. We should focus more on language in the US.

It was a good reading! I learned about "whom". Now can someone tell me what "whilst" means? And that Weird Al song are pettry good. My turn:

The OP is so riddled with grammatical errors it makes me wonder whether the author is serious. The aggressively 'patriotic' spiel tends to suggest he or she is, though; such attitudes seem to go hand in hand with poor educational outcomes. Anyway, for the record, the correct use of 'who' and 'whom' is this:

When we are referring to the subject of the sentence, we use 'who':

'It was Phage who debunked the OP'

''The moderator who responded first was Intrepid.'

'It's often SLAYER69 who creates the most popular threads.'

When we are referring to the object of the sentence, we use 'whom'.

'I salute the OP, without whom we would not be discussing this.'

'These are the members to whom my post is addressed.'

'The members of ATS, many of whom are conspiracy theorists, often have unusual ideas.'

Generally, if you have to attach a preposition to the word (to, without, of, etc.), the word to use is 'whom'.

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a reply to: SonoftheSun

You write very good English for someone who isn't a native speaker. There was one grammatical error in it — 'who's' instead of 'whose' — but it is the kind that careless or poorly-educated native speakers often make. The only clue that you are not a native English speaker is in the clause 'an OP with plenty of spelling mistakes'. A native speaker would have been more likely to write 'a lot of' or, more informally, 'lots of', instead of 'plenty of'. But this isn't a grammatical point, just a stylistic convention.

It is actually very easy to tell the difference between native speakers who are not fully literate and people who are writing in a language that is not their own. They make different kinds of mistake.

a reply to: mattsawaufo

Check.

Ixnay all foreigners, English teachers and English majors.

We're watching you....

This site cracks me up.

a reply to: Spationaute

'Whilst' has the same meaning as 'while', just as 'amongst' has the same meaning as 'among'. Which you use is entirely a matter of taste. I tend to use 'while' and 'among' because they sound fine in any sentence, whereas 'whilst' and 'amongst' sound slightly more archaic to my ears, and a little bit pretentious in current usage. In fact, you hardly ever hear anyone say them out loud; you only see them written down.

If I was writing a story with a character in it who was a bit over-formal in his manner, or a bit old-fashioned and fond of sounding wise, I might have him say 'whilst' and 'amongst'. And when I see people write that way, I think of them as that sort of character. Strange are the ways of prejudice.

One thing, though: the difference between 'while' and 'whilst', 'among' and 'amongst' is not a difference between American and British English, whatever the grammar and style gurus say. Plenty of American writers have used the words with the 't' ending. And strangely enough, it is 'while' and 'among' that are the older forms: they go back to the thirteenth century. 'Whilst' and 'amongst' are a bit later; they're from Middle English.