Netanyahu asks US to help Israel avoid war crime charges

a reply to: daaskapital

Errrr yah.

That would be like asking an alcoholic to help you stop drinking...

Our government LOVES war! They love it so much they even sent a small army to Nevada over disputed grazing fees.

Not even sure what israel is trying to accomplish with this latest play.

What "war"? The term war implies that both sides in the conflict are somewhat equal, that either side could prevail.

What israel is doing to the Palestinians is a slaughter.

OK this is just gotta be BS right? I mean we give, not loan or borrow but give, Israel billions of dollars a year for their "defense" and now that something went wrong and things might be going to Big Boy court, they need even more US aid? I say when America is fixed I would gladly give some of my tax money to help other people, but as it stands now we're still looking off that fiscal cliff but that ledge we were all standing on just got a bit smaller.

Israel shoots fleeing civilians

I have no words.

Humanity has let me down.

I always say... If we saw kids acting like brats in the sandbox, fighting over toys, knocking sand castles down, whining & crying, what would we do? Well, have them try to kill eachother of course... duh!

The world is filled with spoiled brats, bullies, and narcissistic fools.

Throughout human history, he who carries the biggest stick wins. Until someone finds a bigger one.

Every grand civilization destroyed (via "war crimes") another civilization to become King of the castle.

Human history has been built on "war crimes". If your book tells you differently, it was likley changed by those that commited the war crimes and won the war.

War has never been fair to anyone, and to call any form of "war" anything less than a crime is simply ridiculous.

Why my points? Do we realize how insane it sounds to class any type of War "Legal"?

I refuse to allow the few bad apples on all sides to force me in to judgement of anyone based on culture or origin.
There are good people, and there are mislead people... from all cultures. You are what you eat, and if you have been fed rotton hatred your whole life... You get the picture.

One simple rule for everyone to follow. Don't kill humans. Say NO! to human on human crime!

The Earth is a strange place... What a joke.

Netanyahu needs little help from the USA and just needs to tell the intreernational banks who are owned by the jews to ask sub banks to bribe our politicains with a little bonus payment and any questions about the mass murders in Gaza will be gone with the wind.

Follow the money and see why Isreal can get away with anything it likes.

a reply to: daaskapital

I think is important to the matter of subject, to publish the following, because is an eye opening information about the support of US to Israelis against the recognition of a Palestinians State, therefore the recognizing of basic human rights.

In February 1989 at the United Nations Security Council, the PLO representative acknowledged that 94 states had recognised the new Palestinian state. It subsequently attempted to gain membership as a state in several agencies connected to the United Nations, but its efforts were thwarted by U.S. threats to withhold funding from any organisation that admitted Palestine.

Consequently,in November 1989, the Arab League proposed a General Assembly resolution to formally recognise the PLO as the government of an independent Palestinian state. The draft, however, was abandoned when the U.S. again threatened to cut off its financing for the United Nations should the vote go ahead.

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I ask for cooperation to those who seek truth and justice to the innocent victims that were slaughtered to contribute here

I think also that adding to war crimes committed, Annexation of the Palestinians is one of the most basic and fundamental War Crime perpetrated since 1948.

thank you, in advance, to the supporters of Justice, Freedom and Humanity.

a reply to: g146541

Data Compiled by Leslie Bravery of the Palestinian Human Rights Campaign, Auckland, New Zealand
The death and destruction to midnight on 31st July are:

1. Palestinians killed: 1372 (315 children, 166 women and 60 elderly);
   
2. Palestinians wounded: 7680 (2307 children, 1529 women and 287 elderly);
   
3. Buildings destroyed: 5238;
   
4. Buildings damaged: 4374;
   
5. Damaged Hospitals and Health Centres: 13 hospitals and 10 clinics 34 health facilities closed 12 ambulances damaged 38 health personnel injured including: Two pharmacists, four paramedics, one assistant pharmacist, one laboratory and blood bank manager;
   
6. One nurse and an Administration Manager died as a result of Israeli airstrikes;
   
7. The Roman Catholic Church in Gaza, hosting over 800 refugees and 29 handicapped children was threatened with bombardment although it was impossible to move the handicapped children outside the church.
   
8. Once again, Israel has targeted offices providing services to Palestinian and international media;
   
9. Over 245,000 people have been forcibly displaced, 1,700,000 people (the entire population of the Gaza Strip) have been affected by the destruction of electricity, water and waste-water infrastructure.
   

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originally posted by: buster2010
If America isn't smart enough to the point that we can second guess Israel then how are we smart enough to help them avoid these charges? Maybe Israel should go it alone this time and show America that they can wear their big boy pants.

I am afraid that would mean another 911 attack to force change US minds...

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
The IDF and the international media have overwhelming evidence captured on video clearly illustrating that Hamas was in fact (..) exploiting UN facilities, hospitals, schools, mosques, and residential areas to shield missile launchers (..)

Based on this assumption late me share some thoughts with you (I'm not pointing guilt, just sharing).

Taking in consideration this info let us think?

Buildings destroyed: 5238; Buildings damaged: 4374;

If we considered that every one of those buildings were target because of rocket launches (and we aren't considering all the other protected ones), we have a total 9612 rockets.

If we consider that, at least more than one rocket "was launched" from those sites, (consider 2) then at least 2x9612= 19224 rockets were fired.

Ok, since 17 of july until 31 july, We should count 14 days.

If we admit the rockets were launched in a 12 hour period (non-stop), we can now make the math.

19224 rockets divide for 14 days equals 1374 rockets launch a day;

1374 rockets a day divide for 12 hours (non-stop) equals 115 rockets launch per hour;

115 rockets launch per hour divide for 60 minutes (non-stop) equals 1.91 rockets per minute (aprox. 2 rockets per minute)

Wow! Isn't that amazing ? Is it possible ? I wonder from were such number of rockets come from (taking in consideration the blockade, by air, sea and land), or even if they really had many rockets?

Just wanted to share.

a reply to: daaskapital

Well, no doubt the US also had a crack team of its brightest legal entities working on arguments that the US did not commit war crimes by invading Iraq.

Its something all countries probably do in a time of war, the last thing you want is the history books saying you lied - they died.

the bigger story here is that the US so blatantly published this.. in the NYTimes!

I want to share this, it has to do with the topic in multiple ways (you can review it all), but about the support of US to Israel, listen to what Senator David Norris In Ireland's Parliament has to say, after mark 02:18 minutes:



Edit: At this point, I believe that some people consider me as "a troll", but be assured, my only motivation here is to defend people that hasn't no voice, no right to self determination, no basic infra-structures social and economical, that are being humiliated for the past 70 year's, by reckless regime that imposes military blockade by air, sea and land, that treat them with less respect than a common dog..

I can't stand in silence, an avalanche of injustice runs throw my guts, that makes me want go to the Embassy Israel in Lisbon and not stop shouting my Outcry against them... but yet, I'm here, I'm trying my best to defend those who can't ..and you people can go on thinking I'm trolling...

I'm Portuguese from birth and a believer of Christ. I said it...

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
The IDF and the international media have overwhelming evidence captured on video clearly illustrating that Hamas was in fact using human shields and exploiting UN facilities, hospitals, schools, mosques, and residential areas to shield missile launchers and store weapons while they were deliberately targeting Israeli civilians. Furthermore, the IDF tried to warn civilians in advance of military strikes, putting their own soldiers at risk in the process.

If the ICC can provide a viable alternative whereby a country can respond to missile attacks on their civilian population from a vile enemy under those circumstances without causing collateral damage, then by all means, charge Israel with war crimes. I just hope that the leaders of other sovereign nations will be held to the same standard in the event that they are faced with a similar scenario.

No other sovereign nations have plans to annex another countries land. Sure if a sovereign nation was attacked things might be different, but israel is not a sovereign nation. They are home invaders. Home invaders don't have the right to "defence".

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Your entire post is based on pure conjecture. You are entitled to your opinion, however misinformed it may be, but don't try to state it as if it's based on fact. Do some actual research.

Israel is in fact a sovereign nation. The state was legally granted in 1948. It absolutely has the right to defend itself from incessant terrorist attacks against it's civilian population.

Palestine has never been a sovereign state. It could have been had their delegation accepted the UN Partition Plan in 1947, but they decided to declare war on Israel instead, and have had their asses handed to them whenever they instigate a conflict ever since.

Furthermore, Israel has never annexed Gaza or the West Bank. Israel had a military presence on both borders that was necessitated by the ongoing threat of terrorism.

The victims here are the palestinian innocents ... those who are guilty includes BOTH Hamas and Israel ..

Hamas for launching rockets from densely populated areas, fully knowing Israel would retaliate on that site which would inevitably cause casualties, that was part of their entire tactic here.. in that sense, they've won.. and Israel for retaliating with excessive force... Both sides fought dirty.

Here's a video showing Hamas erecting a tent to conceal them building a rocket launch site right next to hotels.. and they did in fact fire the rocket.



Israel has two choices in this kind of situation.. leave the site alone and allow them to keep lobbing rockets, or take out the site.. I agree that they have the right to take out the site that is firing rockets at them, but I also think they used extremely exessive force in their retaliations.

Also please note that the reporter states that a rocket was fired from that location previously and Israel actually contacted the hotels to evacuate.. they WARNED them that a strike might happen.. so Israel took the step to warn them ahead of time so innocent people wouldn't be harmed.

a reply to: voyger2

When I read your posting, another thought occurred to me.
Massod is reportedly the best intel agents in the world, but some body dug "miles of tunnels" from Gaza under Israeli terroritory.
The IDF is in charge of portecting the Israeli people, so they are on-guard around the peremeter of Gaza all the time.

Bearing this in mind; why did no one know about all the digging and stop it sooner?
But my main question is, what did they do with all that dirt?

a reply to: justme2

I hope no one will call me antisemitic but you are absolutely correct.

Just to think about how much Jews suffered with Nazis, Netanyahu's should know better and be punished accordingly.

a reply to: daaskapital

Netanyahu “wants the US to use all the tools that we have at our disposal to, number one, make sure the world knows that war crimes were not committed by Israel, they were committed by Hamas. And that Israel should not be held do a double standard,” the congressman said.

I can whle heartedly agree. Israel should not be held to a "double standard".
Just the same standard of conduct as any other country.
There are just some things which no one should be allowed to do to other people.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Your entire post is based on pure conjecture. You are entitled to your opinion, however misinformed it may be, but don't try to state it as if it's based on fact. Do some actual research.

Israel is in fact a sovereign nation. The state was legally granted in 1948. It absolutely has the right to defend itself from incessant terrorist attacks against it's civilian population.

Palestine has never been a sovereign state. It could have been had their delegation accepted the UN Partition Plan in 1947, but they decided to declare war on Israel instead, and have had their asses handed to them whenever they instigate a conflict ever since.

Furthermore, Israel has never annexed Gaza or the West Bank. Israel had a military presence on both borders that was necessitated by the ongoing threat of terrorism.

So lets go back to what was agreed to in '48.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: MALBOSIA
Israel is in fact a sovereign nation. The state was legally granted in 1948.

Not granted, it was forged with military aid of Britain, at the time. The theft was even amplified, taking more 60% of land that was initial established by the UN partition plan

Prior to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, was a revolt by the Palestinians (1947), as a consequence of the injustice created in the very beginning by The Balfour Declaration

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country

published in Times 9 of November 1917:


On November 1918 the large group of Palestinian Arab dignitaries and representatives of political associations addressed a petition to the British authorities in which they denounced the declaration:

..we always sympathized profoundly with the persecuted Jews and their misfortunes in other countries... but there is wide difference between such sympathy and the acceptance of such a nation...ruling over us and disposing of our affairs

British civil administration in Palestine operated from 1920 until 1948

The revolt in Palestine was unsuccessful, and its consequences affected the outcome of the 1948 Palestine war. It caused the British Mandate to give crucial support to pre-state Zionist militias like the Haganah whereas on the Palestinian Arab side, the revolt forced the fleeing into exile of the main Palestinian Arab leader of the period, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini.

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As a result of the war the State of Israel retained the area that the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 had recommended for the proposed Jewish state and also took control of almost 60% of the area allocated for the proposed Arab state.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
It absolutely has the right to defend itself from incessant terrorist attacks against it's civilian population.

Incessant? humm.. I don't agree. (we just have to wait for the numbers)

About terrorists, lets revisit the birth of IDF and Likud government Who were the Haganah?

Haganah was a Jewish paramilitary organization (..) which later became the core of the Israel Defense Forces.(..)
In 1931, the more militant elements of the Haganah splintered off and formed the Irgun Tsva'i-Leumi, better known as "Irgun"

And the Irgun? Who were they?

The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts. In particular the Irgun was branded a terrorist organisation by Britain, the 1946 Zionist Congress[6] and the Jewish Agency. The Irgun believed that any means necessary to establish the Jewish State of Israel, including terrorism, was justifiable.

The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party. Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.

Now, let's see what the Moshe Sharett, Israeli's first Foreign Minister from 1948-1956, and Prime Minister from 1954-1956, thought at the time:

"The state of Israel must invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the methods of provocation and revenge... And above all, let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space."

The above says a lot of revolts and encouragement to rebellions to start war's using the pretext of victims.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
Palestine has never been a sovereign state. It could have been had their delegation accepted the UN Partition Plan in 1947, but they decided to declare war on Israel instead, and have had their asses handed to them whenever they instigate a conflict ever since.

Let's see how much support they had to establish their nation, with out forgetting what was said previously.

In February 1989 at the United Nations Security Council, the PLO representative acknowledged that 94 states had recognised the new Palestinian state. It subsequently attempted to gain membership as a state in several agencies connected to the United Nations, but its efforts were thwarted by U.S. threats to withhold funding from any organisation that admitted Palestine.

Consequently,in November 1989, the Arab League proposed a General Assembly resolution to formally recognise the PLO as the government of an independent Palestinian state. The draft, however, was abandoned when the U.S. again threatened to cut off its financing for the United Nations should the vote go ahead[7b].

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None! They were boycotted all the way and the UN partition plan was undermined on the ground from the very beginning, by Irgun forces and later, by Israel and his allies, on political grounds

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
Furthermore, Israel has never annexed Gaza or the West Bank. Israel had a military presence on both borders that was necessitated by the ongoing threat of terrorism.

Annexation is the forcible acquisition of a state's territory by another state. Usually, it is implied that the territory and population being annexed is the smaller, more peripheral, and weaker of the two merging entities, barring physical size. It can also imply a certain measure of coercion, expansionism or unilateralism on the part of the stronger of the merging entities.

The above, in my opinion clearly fit’s on the description for what is happening to the Palestinians