Ebola Kills By Way of Instant Scurvy? Possible Treatment Indicated?

a reply to: signalfire

I've read that people should be taking a minimum of 1500 mg of Vitamin C daily anyway -- that's three (3) 500 mg caps a day. Ester Vitamin C is recommended for people with sensitive stomachs (it's a bit more expensive). I also like Time-released Vitamin C (I have this in the 1000 mg size). But Lipo C is by far the most effective.

It's interesting how the MSM & medical establishment members are downplaying just how contagious this Ebola is;

It's so easy to have someone sneeze on you. It can be spread by mosquitoes & cockroaches. It can also be spread by anything that feeds on infected dead bodies. Liberians are complaining that their dead are not being disposed of quickly enough. Rats feed on the dead, as do carrion birds -- not to mention crabs & eels & other water denizens.

It's true that "First World-ers" are not as endangered as the "Third World-ers" who have trouble accessing even clean water, but I can see this turning into a plague easily. As usual, it's the poor who will suffer the most.

AV

a reply to: signalfire

Since you asked ever so nicly:

At doses of 500 mg. or more of ascorbic acid there was a statistically significant increase in urinary oxalate equivalent to 1.2 to 1.8% of the millimoles of ascorbate administered. This represented an increase in urinary oxalate excretion of 6 to 13 mg. per day per 1,000 mg. ascorbic acid supplement. This amount would increase the risk of calcium oxalate urolithiasis.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Additionally, asorbic acid overdose can result in diarrhea and severe GI distress...exactly what you want to give a hypovolemic patient.

Great apes produce 10,000mg - 50,000mg of ascorbic acid...daily?

This explanation is consistent with the fact that wild anthropoid primates (unable to synthesize vitamin C) consume much more vitamin C than the recommended daily allowance for adult humans in the USA, about 1 mg/kg/day. For example, gorillas (Gorilla gorilla) consume 20-30 mg/kg/day, howler monkeys (Alouatta palliata) consume 88 mg/kg/day, and spider monkeys (Ateles geoffroyi) consume 106 mg/kg/day [58]
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

tl;dr: Gorillas do not produce Vitamin C and must receive it from their diet.

originally posted by: AuranVector
a reply to: signalfire



It can be spread by mosquitoes & cockroaches. It can also be spread by anything that feeds on infected dead bodies.

AV

The above is not true, or more proper, there is no evidence at all for the above.

a reply to: NavyDoc

But but but a youtube video says its true so it must be

It appears what we have here is people claiming to be medically trained, who poo-poo any new idea, or possibility of a treatment of a very extreme disease, because of their educators, who have never looked into it. It's not like Ebola, or a hybrid of Ebola/Lassa which this disease may be, has been that widely studied in western populations who have a head start on nutrition, infection control and hygienic standards.

I can't answer every statement individually but 'gastric distress and hypolemic shock' wouldn't happen with IV VITAMIN C, now would it?

And collagen disintegration along with vascular and capillary meltdown sounds EXACTLY like what happens with Ebola along with a complete inability to clot. And we already know that any infection substantially increases the burn rate of Vitamin C stores in the body, and that Vitamin C supplementation in high doses can reverse even moribund patients quickly (witness that 60 Minutes video from Australia about the guy with the flu whose doctors wanted to pull the plug on, and the family saved him with high C dosing. You'd think the medical community would welcome a new idea when their treatments are ineffective, or are you so sure your treatments are the only viable ones?

I wasn't suggesting that indeed, we'd found a cure for Ebola. Only that it certainly looks like a possibility better than watching your patients, and then yourself, crash to the floor in a pulpy bloody mess, as your vaunted medical education now seems to consider SOP.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: NavyDoc

But but but a youtube video says its true so it must be

I sure hope none of your medical heroes ever make a Youtube video, what on earth will you do with your cognitive dissonance??

And what the hell has a video or not got to do with the information? Not everyone is buying your 'vaccines are good for you' propaganda. Let me know when you figure out what else might be causing the massive increase in autism and other disorders no one ever heard about 30 years ago, because it's not enough to say 'vaccines don't cause autism duh' unless you have some evidence for what DOES cause it....

originally posted by: signalfire
or a hybrid of Ebola/Lassa which this disease may be, has been that widely studied in western populations who have a head start on nutrition, infection control and hygienic standards.

Let me stop you right there. ANOTHER scientifically wrong fact. Ebola and Lassa are two completely different viruses ones a Filovirus of the family Filoviridae the other is a Arenavirus of the family Arenaviridae. Ebola and Lassa are about a similar as a cat is to a dog.

Plus what is your medical training ? None as you dont know Filovirus and Arenavirus are two completely different things.

As such you should not be suggesting treatment based on faulty science.

As has been pointed out by me and Navy Doc Vit C has nothing to do with the biochemistry of what happens in the haemorrhaging of late Ebola.

Your selling snake oil.

a reply to: crazyewok

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but you can't just make such extordinary claims without at least something to back it up. We're grown ups here on ATS, let's write that way.

originally posted by: signalfire

I can't answer every statement individually but 'gastric distress and hypolemic shock' wouldn't happen with IV VITAMIN C, now would it?

Yes it would if it was not the vitamin C cauing the 'gastric distress and hypolemic shock' and instead due to other factors as Navy Doc has already set out.

originally posted by: signalfire
And collagen disintegration along with vascular and capillary meltdown sounds EXACTLY like what happens with Ebola along with a complete inability to clot.

Just because it looks the same DOES NOT mean it IS the same. 'gastric distress and hypolemic shock' as you put it due to vitamin C deficiency is based on different mechanisms to 'gastric distress and hypolemic shock' due to Ebola.

originally posted by: signalfire
It appears what we have here is people claiming to be medically trained, who poo-poo any new idea, or possibility of a treatment of a very extreme disease, because of their educators, who have never looked into it. It's not like Ebola, or a hybrid of Ebola/Lassa which this disease may be, has been that widely studied in western populations who have a head start on nutrition, infection control and hygienic standards.

I can't answer every statement individually but 'gastric distress and hypolemic shock' wouldn't happen with IV VITAMIN C, now would it?

And collagen disintegration along with vascular and capillary meltdown sounds EXACTLY like what happens with Ebola along with a complete inability to clot. And we already know that any infection substantially increases the burn rate of Vitamin C stores in the body, and that Vitamin C supplementation in high doses can reverse even moribund patients quickly (witness that 60 Minutes video from Australia about the guy with the flu whose doctors wanted to pull the plug on, and the family saved him with high C dosing. You'd think the medical community would welcome a new idea when their treatments are ineffective, or are you so sure your treatments are the only viable ones?

I wasn't suggesting that indeed, we'd found a cure for Ebola. Only that it certainly looks like a possibility better than watching your patients, and then yourself, crash to the floor in a pulpy bloody mess, as your vaunted medical education now seems to consider SOP.

No need to be testy. Just because the science of something does not match with your belief system does not call for insults.

One needs the proper information to evaluate something.

First of all, Ebola does not "use up all your vitamin C." That's simply not how it works. Nor is it like scurvy at all--the only think the two share is bleeding. You do not see any of the other effects of scurvy in Ebola. Have we seen brittle bones, loss of teeth, brittle hair, rickets, and so forth in Ebola like we do in scurvy?

Collagen formation takes time and thus scurvy takes a long time as well to become symptomatic. The "turn over" time of collagen is weeks to month depending on the tissue it resides. Even if all the C in your body was taken away by magic all at once, it would still be weeks to months before symptoms would show.

Ebola does not cause bleeding by destroying collagen. IN your body you have a constant battle between coagulation and the prevention of coagulation. If your blood coagulates too readily, as in several genetic diseases, then you have clots and various problems. If your blood does not coagulate well or at all, such as in hemophilia, then you bleed out.

There are various proteins called clotting factors that are made in the liver and marrow that operate in a chain of events known as the coagulation cascade that produces clot, stops bleeding, and patches vascular "holes." This process goes on continually and it is necessary even if you don't have a cut.

Ebola causes bleeding in a twofold manner. First of all, it kills hepatocytes (liver cells) that produce this clotting factors, so the body produces less of what it needs to clot. Secondly, when the virus runs rampant and kills the white blood cells and various other cells, the body goes into septic shock, par t of which is disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC). Ebola is not the only thing that causes DIC, BTW. As coagulation is going on everywhere all at once, the remaining clotting factors are all used up and you start bleeding uncontrollably from everywhere.

Now, vitamin C has proven anti-oxidant and anti-viral properties and has a very low risk potential, so I'm not knocking vitamin C. However, nothing is a cure all for everything and those who claim so are wrong and the person who thought up the C depletion theory of Ebola is very wrong and obviously does not even understand basic physiology. Those types of salesmen are not the types you want to get advice from.

originally posted by: Galileo400
a reply to: crazyewok

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, but you can't just make such extordinary claims without at least something to back it up. We're grown ups here on ATS, let's write that way.

Whats extraordinary about my claim?

Most Ebola research has been confined to government agency due to the cost of handling ebola and the minimum profit from it.

Extraordinary is claiming that Vit C cure Ebola and basing that on what some crazy half backed alternative news site says in a report littered with inaccuracys which I pointed out.

originally posted by: signalfire

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: NavyDoc

But but but a youtube video says its true so it must be

I sure hope none of your medical heroes ever make a Youtube video, what on earth will you do with your cognitive dissonance??

And what the hell has a video or not got to do with the information? Not everyone is buying your 'vaccines are good for you' propaganda. Let me know when you figure out what else might be causing the massive increase in autism and other disorders no one ever heard about 30 years ago, because it's not enough to say 'vaccines don't cause autism duh' unless you have some evidence for what DOES cause it....

So its ok to kill someone s kidneys and liver with high doses of Vit C based on half baked science.

But a Vaccine that could save millions? Thats bad cause of the the "supposed" risk of a few cases of Autism from the completely unrelated MMR vaccine ? A risk no one can actually prove?

Apparently you'd rather kill the patient with the disease, and not the possible treatment. Great choice.

You first with the Ebola vaccine trials.

originally posted by: signalfire
Apparently you'd rather kill the patient with the disease, and not the possible treatment. Great choice.

There IS no scientific baseses for giving toxic levels of vitimum C. Its only a possible treatment if there is science to support and as Navy Doc and me have pointed out there isnt! The science it is based on is wrong at fundamental levels.

I may as well take the claim out my arse that cyanide is a treatment for Ebola should I give it to ebola patients cause it "might" be a possible treatment? No science to support it but cause I think it might?

originally posted by: signalfire
You first with the Ebola vaccine trials.

Sure.

I signed up for Alex Jones 1000 vaccine in a week challenge and never heard back from your anti vaccine crowd, You dont put your money were your mouth is but I do.

originally posted by: signalfire
Apparently you'd rather kill the patient with the disease, and not the possible treatment.

That's doesn't make sense. He'd rather kill the treatment? Could you rephrase?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: signalfire
Apparently you'd rather kill the patient with the disease, and not the possible treatment.

That's doesn't make sense. He'd rather kill the treatment? Could you rephrase?

Well I guess if you kill the patient and burn the body you have "cured" the virus. sides effects may include a little bit of death though

The CDC and WHO are suppressing a proven cure for Ebola that is available at any health store.

We are being lied to about this.

Don't believe ANYONE who says that there is no cure or treatment for this…

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SMOKING GUN: US SUPPRESSING EBOLA THERAPY

You may recall that a world-wide Level 6 Pandemic was declared in 2009 because Swine Flu was going to kill us all. Unlike Swine Flu, a genetically engineered failed plague, it looks as if Ebola is a much improved version of the same script which, without Nano Silver, will succeed where avian flu and swine flu, SARS and MERS failed. So you have to ask who would benefit from a wide spread catastrophe of this sort. The answers might surprise you.

In April, 2007 184 countries signed a document allowing the World Health Organization – which is, by the way, a private corporation like the Federal Reserve, which receives more than 2/3 of its funding from the Pharmaceutical industry, whose vaccines and drugs they push – hard – to take over governance of any country under certain circumstances. theusindependent.com...

Oh! Wait! They DID come up with a cure, prevention and treatment for it: 10 PPM Nano Silver. That’s right! OOPS! US Government, WHO and their associated minions are lying! Again!

The US government study (declassified in 2009) which showed definitively that Nano Silver at 10PPM IS the definitive prevention and therapy for Ebola virus “somehow” got “overlooked”. We do not know how long before that the work actually took place. But the US civilian authorities knew not later than 2009 that there is a cure, treatment and prevention for Ebola virus.

And the kill rate for this disease of convenience, genetically engineered to be more deadly than ever before, just happens, I am sure coincidentally, to be the exact number depopulationists like Bill Gates and George Soros have wet dreams about: 90%.

So when I wrote yesterday to the Heads of State of Liberia, Guinea, Nigeria and Sierra Leone (and the Directors of WHO, Doctors Without Borders) and other world leaders, I told them about Nano Silver and offered to provide a protocol for them so they could stop the Ebola outbreak dead in its tracks before any other people died in their tracks.

The response? Silence. Stone, cold silence except for an auto responder from the Ministry of Health in Sierra Leone thanking me for my question. I wasn’t asking a question. I was solving their biggest problem: extermination. So here is my new question: You know and I know that I am not the only doctor who knows that Nano Silver is the Universal Antimicrobial, that it’s safe, inexpensive, self sterilizing, needs no refrigeration and works against every single disease-causing bug its ever been tested on.

Why the UN, CDC and WHO Want You to Believe Ebola Has No Cure or Treatment

PROOF OF SUPPRESSION OF EBOLA THERAPY

a reply to: R_Clark

Not true. He is a two time nobel winner, but not for what you mentioned. The first was awarded for his discovery of the shape of the molecular bond, and the second for his anti-proliferation movement regarding nuclear weapons.

He didn't get into his ascorbic acid craze until middle age. The guy was brilliant, and ahead of his time, but vitamin-c is not the cureall he thought it was.

Having said that, I do think his assumptions have some merit, and personally take a gram of vitmain c at the first sign of developing cold/allergies. I will continue to take a gram of c every two hours if the symptoms continue to progress. It works for me.

If I got ebola (so not going to happen!) I'd be taking a gram every half hour or so. The body will absorb more based on need. Pauling found this out as well!

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: signalfire
Apparently you'd rather kill the patient with the disease, and not the possible treatment.

That's doesn't make sense. He'd rather kill the treatment? Could you rephrase?

It would seem obvious - if you fail to treat a fulminant Ebola infection (with something as benign as Vitamin C, no less), the outcome may be fatal.

He's whining about killing the patient's kidneys with the treatment, which would seem to be the least of one's problems. And I can't take his statements seriously, far too many grammatical and spelling errors for someone claiming to be highly educated, and far too much emotional content. God forbid people should make up their own mind about their choice of treatments.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: signalfire
Apparently you'd rather kill the patient with the disease, and not the possible treatment. Great choice.

There IS no scientific baseses for giving toxic levels of vitimum C. Its only a possible treatment if there is science to support and as Navy Doc and me have pointed out there isnt! The science it is based on is wrong at fundamental levels.

I may as well take the claim out my arse that cyanide is a treatment for Ebola should I give it to ebola patients cause it "might" be a possible treatment? No science to support it but cause I think it might?

originally posted by: signalfire
You first with the Ebola vaccine trials.

Sure.

I signed up for Alex Jones 1000 vaccine in a week challenge and never heard back from your anti vaccine crowd, You dont put your money were your mouth is but I do.

Please try to proofread more carefully, seriously, it's hard to take you at your word education-wise. And your assurance that you contacted Jones for the 1000 vaccine in a week challenge is hardly proof that you did, or that he ignored you. It pretty much doesn't matter any which way, does it? And has nothing to do with a possible Ebola vaccine or your willingness to be the first in trials on that particular one.

Here's an interesting video about autism and how the medical profession seems to be ignoring the skyrocketing rates of it. You won't watch it though, because it's a video and according to you, that means it's always complete nonsense, no need to bother.

Autism

But we're getting off topic, as emotionally reactive blather tends to do. How about leaving the information I originally posted to the people who actually want to keep learning and still have open minds?