TA-ANALYSIS: Ex-CIA: Al Qaida Has Beaten Our Pants Off

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
I agree with Scheuer that Al-Qaeda has much more moral legitimacy than the US. Bin Laden's explanations on the reasons for 9/11 are clear and understandable : It's a punishment for the myriad suffering and dying of millions of arabs at the hands of Israel and the US.

[edit on 4-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Care to elaborate on those millions of arabs that you claimed have died at the hands of the USA.

I won't to mention the US crimes in South America, Cambodia or Vietnam, you will learn soon enough about them.

Stop with your tap dancing already, give us some specifics. You are once again making claims with no soucre to back up your claims. Again why is that???Also kindly explain in detail just what took place in Sotuh America??? Guess that was yet another Top Secret war HUH? Only you seem to know about, why is that?


The US is supporting and has been supporting several dictatorial regimes that made and make millions suffer everyday. The US has assassinated the democratically elected PM Mossadegh in Iran, in order to replace him with the brutal monarchic regime of the Shah, who's secret police Savak killed and tortured tens of thousands. The US is supporting Israel which is making millions of palestinians suffer everyday and kills thousands of them every year. The US has supported Israel in it's thorough bombing and destruction of Lebanon where hundred of thousands had to flee and hundred thousands died. The US supports Israel's plans for keeping the 800.000 palestinians driven from their land and robbed of their possessions by jewish terrorist groups from returning to their homeland. The US has supported Saddam in his 'just war' against the evil mullahs in Teheran where again millions died. And more, and more and more...

Again I ask you were is your proof? All you keep doing is making claims you cannot back up? Why Is That? I see nothing wrong with backing Isreal, however you sure do. Keep in mind it is or has been the Pasltinains that have bombed Inocent victims. It was after those attacks that isreal made their attacks. Palistine provocked those attacks and don't you forget it. Also allow me to point out many peace offers have been put forth only to be refused. Why Is that?


I'm still looking for a comprehensive web resource on US war crimes, does anyone have such a link ?

Perhaps you should learn to use google, trust me if you knew how you would find there are no such comprehensive web resources on US War Crimes when it comes to conflict with Al quidea or the Taliban they only exist in the mines of a select few.

And please do not try and say the first war in Iraq. We did not start the war, Iraq did by attacking Kuiat. Kuiat asked for our help during that war so did several other arab nations. In fact they fought right along side the US.

Not really true. Kuwait had been warned by Saddam several times not to cross-drill into iraqi soil and refrain from policies that hampered iraqi economic developement. Saddam Hussein, an old friend and ally of the Reagan clan, asked the US if they would intervene in case of him punishing Kuwait. The US said no. So he did it. The stories you heard and saw on TV about iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies were recorded in London.

Yeah sure they were! The free world knows better, but you can keep listenting to Osma Ben Laddle.

As a consequence of this bizarre US behaviour, several hundred thousand iraqis died. In the aftermath of the war, over 500.000 iraqis died from famine. And over 100.000 died when the USA supported shia and kurdish uprisings against Saddam, but didnt help them.

You cannot blame the US alone for those that died from shia and kurdish uprisings. If you have a problem with that take it up with the kurds and shia. Better Yet prove that the US actually took part in those actions, again I will not hold my breath waiting for a civil answer.

Must have been one hell of a TOP SECRET WAR.
I have never heard of it and doubt anyone other then a Bin Laden follower has either.

You probably live in the United States and have only difficult access to unbiased news sources, so you don't learn anything about US war crimes.

Psst hate to break this to you but we have the most unbiased news sources in the world. Keep in mind it was US news sources that broke the stories about abu Grab (SP?), not aribic news sources.

Bin Laden is nothing more then a thug and a coward. A real man would come out and fight rather then hide in the sand and send out others to cut the heads off of innocent women and children.

He's calm, well spoken, and he makes his point. After seeing his tapes or reading his letters, nobody can say this man doesnt do what he does out of a consistent moral stance. Punishing one of the most hideous war criminals in world history. Plus he's rather good-looking.

Oh give us all a break Osma has no morals and everyone knows it. I will say this though he has a great abilty to hide rather then fight

[edit on 4-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

[edit on 4-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

[edit on 4-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Shots, i thought you were honsetly inquiring, but as it turned out, you're full of shoots. The fact i mentioned about US and Israel are well-known to anyone who is not subject to US media. Come back when you graduated from high school.

[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Shots, i thought you were honsetly inquiring, but as it turned out, you're full of shoots. The fact i mentioned about US and Israel are well-known to anyone who is not subject to US media. Come back when you graduated from high school.

[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Excuse me I was inquiring. That is why I clearly asked you to be specific!!!!

You were the one who made the statement theses facts are all well known, [Your words not mine] however when asked what they were, each and everytime you have been unable to answer the question as put to you


One can only assume that you cannot support your claims or you would have. This was evidenced by the fact you only could furnish one link. Now if it was so well known, why is it that only ONE Website out of millions even covered those so called trials? Surely if what you had claimed was in fact well known and honest Aljazeera.Net surely would have covered those so called stories.

As for taking shots, sorry that is not my style, however it would appear you like to take some shots since you are implying I should come back when I graduate from high school. Let me guess you are a physic as well as expert on Bin Laden? Hate to break this to you, but I graduated from colledge with a masters degree in enginnering Decades ago.

Now for one last time where is the information that can prove what you are saying or have said is the truth? Kindly be very specific and furnish links to valid sources that will back up what you are saying.

I will not hold my breath while waiting for your proof.



[edit on 12/5/2004 by shots]

The current climate in the US has little tolerance for truth seekers and anyone who doesn't goose step the party line. Funny thing about facts, you can't hide them forever, no matter how much you try to bury your head in the sand, and wish people saying the bad things would just stop. "Imperial Hubris" was a fascinating book. I didn't agree with everything that was in it, but it seems as more soldiers die in vain, and more of Bush's policies rape the USA, more people will have the courage to say, "the emperor has no clothes".

From the beginning of the struggle on the fight on terror the blame was put on bin-ladden, but I have come to the conclusion that he was the fall guy to cover another agenda. (Iraq take over)

Bin-Ladden was never in our present administration to be seek and found, it was all a hoax.

We were misinformed and fed lies, and now the truth has come out, not more interest on bin-ladden at all, yes once in a while his name will be brought to us on the media to remind us of 9/11 and why we are stuck in Iraq. This two conflicts did not had anything to do with each other.

Sad, that some still believe that Bin-ladden is still center stage, it is not it never was.

[edit on 5-12-2004 by marg6043]

Shots, i usually don't discuss matters with people shouting around instead of providing counterarguments. But i recognize that it's not your fault, but that of the society you were raised in which poorly trained you for the challenges you will meet in life. It is out of this spirit of compassion and understanding that i give you the following hint : Take some serious newer history books and look up US history related to the middle east, south america, and asia. This might take a couple of hours but you will evolve from being an ignorant spoiled brat to someone rudimentarily knowledgeable. If you have an aversion to books (which could be another bad side-effect of the society you're living in), try wikipedia and online history resources first. I will even make this great first step and provide you with a link to a site you can browse privately and thoughtfully meditate while mastering the skills needed to succeed in life : www.cooperativeresearch.org...

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Shots, i usually don't discuss matters with people shouting around instead of providing counterarguments. But i recognize that it's not your fault, but that of the society you were raised in which poorly trained you for the challenges you will meet in life. It is out of this spirit of compassion and understanding that i give you the following hint : Take some serious newer history books and look up US history related to the middle east, south america, and asia. This might take a couple of hours but you will evolve from being an ignorant spoiled brat to someone rudimentarily knowledgeable. If you have an aversion to books (which could be another bad side-effect of the society you're living in), try wikipedia and online history resources first. I will even make this great first step and provide you with a link to a site you can browse privately and thoughtfully meditate while mastering the skills needed to succeed in life : www.cooperativeresearch.org...

What on earth are you talking about? I have not shouted out one thing. What I have done is ask you several direct questions nothing more. All of which you have been unable to answer.

I see as I expected now that you could not answer any of my questions you are now resorting to name calling. Sorry but I do not play those kinds of games. You can if you want that only shows others who and what you are.

BTW the site you linked to is so biased it sucks. No wonder you think the way you do if you use that as a source. Exactly the kind of source I would have expected from you.

Now can you give me some direct answers from valid sources (You do know what a valid source is don't you? That would be the associated press, reuters and other free world media) that back up your claims? I would really like to see evidence that clearly shows indiviudals on trail with attorney's present to defend the charged individuals.

Any fool knows that Bin Laden and Al quedia do not hold trials, they act just like Hitler did. Take them outside and claim you are guilty then behead them. At least Hitler had them shot or poisioned, unlike the fanatics you support who grab them off the street and behead them. Innocent women no less. And let us not forget the innocent Iraq police that have been bombed in the past few days alone. Just what did they do wrong? certainly trying to serve and protect their own country is not a crime is it?

BTW the site you linked to is so biased it sucks. No wonder you think the way you do if you use that as a source. Exactly the kind of source I would have expected from you.

I would appreciate very much to learn how you find it to be biased ? Do you have any evidence to support that claim ?And i would also greatly enjoy learning your speed reading techniques.


[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi

BTW the site you linked to is so biased it sucks. No wonder you think the way you do if you use that as a source. Exactly the kind of source I would have expected from you.

I would appreciate very much to learn how you find it to be biased ? Do you have any evidence to support that claim ?And i would also greatly enjoy learning your speed reading techniques.


[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Here read their own disclaimer,

The Center for Cooperative Research does not guarantee the accuracy, completeness, or currency of any content found on this Web Site.

Just what part of does not gurantee accuracy or currency do you not understand?

Where is your proof that mainstream historical science is wrong in a world-wide conspiracy to discredit the united states ? i'm waiting ....

I know you can't come up with anything serious because your vision of things is official governement propaganda, nothing more.






[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

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[edit on 5-12-2004 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi

So, where is the proof cooperative research's historical assesments are wrong ? i'm waiting ....

[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

So, where is the proof cooperative research's historical assesments are right ? Also note it would appear that you did not read what I posted, the site clearly states it does not gurantee the content, that is enough for me to leave doubt about what it contains.

Now that we are on the see saw,where are the answers and proof that trials were held for those innocent individuals that were be headed? I am waiting as are others.

You are batting zero, perhaps it is time to get off the mound. You have not proven one of your points,all you have done is give
members what amounts to your own opinionated views
nothing more. Stop with the tap dance routine and useless rhetoric. I have yet to see you answer one question that has been put to you by anyone.

Shots, you are grotesque. If you think you can impress anyone with your infantile behaviour, you must live in a very strange place.

I already posted the link to the mujahideen trials, so why do you keep bugging me about it ?

Here's the discussion where i mentioned it : www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Shots, you are grotesque. If you think you can impress anyone with your infantile behaviour, you must live in a very strange place.

I already posted the link to the mujahideen trials, so why do you keep bugging me about it ?

Here's the discussion where i mentioned it : www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Yes and I used your link. I also used an online French to English translator. No where in that translation did it state what you claimed it did.
Care to try again?

Wait no need to do that, forget it. I am using the lovely ignore feature since you never answer a question put to you. Do not believe me go and read several of your recent posts you will see you never answer anyones questions.

-You shouldnt use online translators, but ask someone who knows the language. (or learn french)
-You must buy the article in order to view it ; only the introduction is displayed there.



[edit on 5-12-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]

Good then one can only assume you have purchased the article. Keep in mind you did make the claim you knew what the article said. Now put your money where your mouth is, send me the full article via 2u2. I will then have it translated by an expert of the French language.

Sorry to disappoint you, i read it the day it appeared and it was free. You can only trust my say or buy the article

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Sorry to disappoint you, i read it the day it appeared and it was free. You can only trust my say or buy the article

Just as I suspected. You are once again unable to prove your point and answer a question put to you.


Just curious, so I will ask other readers who may have replied to Mokuhadzushi's posts. Has he/she ever answered a question you have asked him/her?


[edit on 12/5/2004 by shots]

I have answered all your questions, i wrote a synthetic paragraph on US war crimes in the middle east, i provided you with two links, one to a state of the art historical research institution, the other to a super-serious news source. But you didnt answer mine. What makes you claim that the descriptions i provided are false, do you have anything to back that claim up ?

Sorry but you never answered my questions you just think you did.

Here is another example of your style of tap dancing. After reading this thread any fool can see you have not only refused to answer my question but have done so to others. The individuals I am refering too are just 3 of several. Do you need more?

jsobecky, FredT and Montana are just a few. It is not in my head trust me, I am sure they will back me up. here is the thread. Take a very close look better read it twice and perhaps ten times, the answer will still come out you did not answer anyone, you just think you did, when in fact all you did was state your own opinion nothing more.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now if and when you want to converse and answer in an intelligent manner I and others are more then willing as long as you will listen to our side. Oh wait that is impossible with your given mind set, however you cannot say a fair offer was not made to you.


Hey what can I say or should I say, and I hope I am speaking for others here. You are a joke to the real world. No that is not meant as an insult, it is a proven fact that you constantly avoid giving direct answers to questions put to you.