Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: NavyDoc

Yes, and we know what those reservoirs are with Ebola and they ain't your aunt Tilly's rosebushes.

Have they defiantly confirmed then its in Fruit Bats? I thought it was only Marburg they confirmed? Though logically if Marburgs there Ebola likely is.

Have to admit I have been out the virology loop a couple of years.

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: adnanmuf
it would be in wikipedia in corona, MERS , SARS are you happy now, that I oriented you to the place where to look?

Nope, you need to provide a source for the following claims:

-As yopu may know bats have the SARS virus for a hunderd million years.

in the bat belly there are 10000 different Corona viruses

all bats have in their bellies the same 10000 kinds of corona viruses.

I'm patient, I can wait. Bats are a common carrier of diseases of all sorts, but your claims are outlandish. I will concede the point and apologize if you can come up with sources for every single one of these claims.

ETA: and you STILL have yet to provide a source for the claims that ebola is KNOWN to live and replicate in plants and dirt (a citation for viruses like herpes does not count; it must be ebola-specific)

Corona virus lives predominantly in bats bellies. there are thousands of different types of corona virus in that belly. one of them is the SARS , the other is MERS.

However SARS virus is found only in Europpean bats!!!!!!!!!

and MERS virus is only in Europpean and Chinese bats!!!!!!!

go figure
its all recombination technology aka germwarefare.

the Israeli British venture using Tel Aviv bio lab and Alton Down lab in england made the MERS virus and then the British lied to the Saudi and gave them the wrong dna analysis, while the true dna of MERS is waitin g in ERASMUS u in holland, where the stupid saudi refuse to pay 10m dollars. for the patent.
they even kicked off the Egyptian doctor in 2012 after beeting the hell out of him for sending the virus to Holland to find out what is it. a good doctor but stupid politicians, like every where
right?

You said earlier that all bats around the world have all the viruses. Now you differentiate between Chinese and European bats? That rather confusing, isn't it?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: NavyDoc

Yes, and we know what those reservoirs are with Ebola and they ain't your aunt Tilly's rosebushes.

Have they defiantly confirmed then its in Fruit Bats? I thought it was only Marburg they confirmed? Though logically if Marburgs there Ebola likely is.

Have to admit I have been out the virology loop a couple of years.

www.nature.com...

The first recorded human outbreak of Ebola virus was in 1976, but the wild reservoir of this virus is still unknown1. Here we test for Ebola in more than a thousand small vertebrates that were collected during Ebola outbreaks in humans and great apes between 2001 and 2003 in Gabon and the Republic of the Congo. We find evidence of asymptomatic infection by Ebola virus in three species of fruit bat, indicating that these animals may be acting as a reservoir for this deadly virus

Aside to adnanmuf: see? That's how statement citations work. That's what people have been asking you for all this time.

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: netwarrior
a reply to: adnanmuf

And why is that? They are protein chains.

it is supposed all immunoglobulins pass unharmed from mother to baby, it s the whole idea,
so all milk have antibodies that is supposed to pass unchanged to the baby through hisher digestive system
her also I provided some PubMED links about the subject for our navd he will be delighted to read

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Camels make human antibodies? That's a new one on me.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Thanks, it seems pretty conclusive then.

Seems pretty easy to prevent too if you follow 3 rules:

1) Dont eat bats

2) Dont let bats live in your roof.

3) Avoid Bat caves.

Its a shame about 3 as Kitum cave look fascinating to visit. But don't fancy taking my chances with Ebola sister

originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: adnanmuf

originally posted by: violet
a reply to: 00nunya00

Oh ok. I would think it's better to ingest a cigarette, not smoke it. The same way weed is used as medicine.

Cocaine is the top medicine for depression. weed too good for Bolimia Nervosa among a thousand things

OMFG, someone else take this up for me, I can't go to bed knowing no one is slapping this shiznit down. Cocaine........sigh. Weed for bulimia? ROTFLMAO!!!!! Weed makes it easier to binge, it doesn't do anything to prevent the purge. Unless you put the patient in front of a screening of "The Wall" or an extended Grateful Dead concert they can't tear themselves away from to purge in a toilet before calories are absorbed. Jesus H. What a comedy of errors. :/ Thanks, dude, you've sent me to bed with a million things to giggle about.

I think he may mean Anorexia Nervosa, where a person willingly (due to psychological issues) starve themselves, but a real MD should know the difference regardless of language because those names are based of Latin and they are taught the same way in every medical school, from the US to Russia to China to Latin America.

UofP School Of Medicien explains the difference

Bulimics crave food and often eat to excess but purge, anorexics refuse to eat. Weed would be the ruination of a bulimic by increasing the urge to eat. It would be dangerous and cruel to have a bulimic smoke pot.

Yes, you're confusing mortality rate with fatality/survival rate.

Stanford's number would be the % of population who died. So 3% as I stated.

en.m.wikipedia.org...
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reply to: MrCynic

a reply to: raymundoko

I'm confused as to where you go to define your words?

Mortality is defined by the rate of death within a given human population to a set circumstance being examined.
ex. Just HOW MANY people, among those already infected with a known disease will then DIE from that disease before recovering to full health.

^^ THAT is called mortality rate. If 9 Ebola patients die out of 10 sitting in an isolation ward? The dictionary and a CDC epidemiologist will refer to that incident rate as a mortality rate within that small population being examined.

Morbidity is a related but different term, to be helpful in our references here. Morbidity describes the incident rate of disease, as opposed to death and how many are made sick. If 10 people in a room are exposed and 1 gets sick? We might say it has a 10% morbidity rate, although that isn't strictly proper terminology in itself.

If you have a solid reference to the definition of the word Mortality or Mortality Rate which the CDC and various dictionaries are in error because of, please share this for the forum to correct their own impressions from various levels of education on what these concepts are?

References: CDC - Excite Glossary, MedicineNet, Centers for Disease Control, Free Dictionary

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a reply to: NavyDoc
Nono. Nanobodies!

a reply to: MrCynic

No, again you are completely wrong and are confusing Mortality Rate with Case Fatality Rate.

My previous link appears broken so here it is again:

en.wikipedia.org...

A mortality rate — often confused with a CFR (Case Fatality Rate) — is a measure of the number of deaths (in general, or due to a specific cause) in a population, scaled to the size of that population, per unit of time. (For example, a rate of 50 deaths per 10,000 population in a year resulting from diabetes. The mortality rate, therefore, would be 50:10,000 or 5:1,000.)

So a Mortality rate has NOTHING to do with the entire population having the disease, it refers to the ENTIRE POPULATION IN GENERAL in a given area, whether they have the disease or not. In the case of Spanish flu it was the population of the entire planet.

The definition you gave is a case fatality rate:

In epidemiology, a case fatality risk (CFR) — or case fatality rate, case fatality ratio or just fatality rate — is the proportion of deaths within a designated population of "cases" (people with a medical condition), over the course of the disease. A CFR is conventionally expressed as a percentage and represents a measure of risk. CFRs are most often used for diseases with discrete, limited time courses, such as outbreaks of acute infections.

Here is a full definition of Mortality Rate as again my previous link appears broken:

en.wikipedia.org...

And here is the MORTALITY RATE of the Spanish Flu:

en.wikipedia.org...

Around the globe

The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but an estimated 10% to 20% of those who were infected died.

So 10-20% would be the Case Fatality Rate. This would make the MORTALITY rate around 3% of the entire world population.

And from your own sources at the CDC:

mortality rate a measure of the frequency of occurrence of death among a defined population during a specified time interval.
mortality rate, age-adjusted a mortality rate that has been statistically modified to eliminate the effect of different age distributions among different populations.
mortality rate, age-specific a mortality rate limited to a particular age group, calculated as the number of deaths among the age group divided by the number of persons in that age group, usually expressed per 100,000.

case-fatality rate (also called case-fatality ratio) the proportion of persons with a particular condition (e.g., patients) who die from that condition. The denominator is the number of persons with the condition; the numerator is the number of cause-specific deaths among those persons.

So do you see where your confusion is?

Edit: I also find your attitude laughable because you obviously don't understand these terms, yet are attempting to sound like an expert.

Second plane just landed....randomly got lucky and saw it fly over on approach to dobbins again.

WSB says police have told them they have not been asked to close off streets or provide an escort, expect to take same route, roads look clear as of now.

very important opening lines, from video.
funny i dont see many bio-hazard suits.

11 alive also has it on, you can see one or two people standing outside the plane with hazmat suits on.

a reply to: Zebra501

Thank you for the update Zeb. Although I'm not participating in this thread, I have been following it, reading every post from the start. The majority of you are doing a grand job of keeping us updated with news. I really appreciate it.



Is it still confirmed they are taking the same route?

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: loam

Yeah that's been buggin me too...see above posts. From hero to just he first to get it. Initial stories had there being only one dose and he let her have it and took a transfusion of a recovered person's blood. And that was a convenient story I guess to get a specific reaction, but now that the word is out about the serum/drug/whatever doc said it was, the story's morphed to he gave her the one that thawed first (it was shipped frozen).

I'm assuming they changed the story probably because it supposedly worked so well. If they say it turned his condition around in an hour, it gives big pharm more reason to make more of this serum and test it on more people..

a reply to: MissBeck

They'll take whatever route GPS tells them to take...