Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: NEB0168

The bottom line is the transfer was successful and without incident...so why keep talking about it?

I don't pretend to be an expert, I let the experts be experts. I honestly don't care if people in this thread have said that isn't the way they were trained...they weren't in this specific situation.

Someone decided what precautions needed to be in placed, those precautions were taken, and the transfer was successful and without incident.

Case closed...only thing left to discuss about it is if you want to use this event as a scare tactic.

Who is closing the case you.....LOL. If you feel this way why even worry about posting it......Arrogance. Simple explanations are usually correct.

www.bloomberg.com...

Dude just officially stated:

"The CDC currently reports 1711 cases, 932 deaths. We believe this to be 25-50% of the [reality.]"

a reply to: JG1993

Have found a few, but nothing definitive yet:

Still, witnesses say Sawyer, a 40-year-old Finance Ministry employee en route to a conference in Nigeria, was vomiting and had diarrhea aboard at least one of his flights with some 50 other passengers aboard.
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Sawyer was immediately quarantined upon arrival in Lagos — a city of 21 million people — and Nigerian authorities say his fellow travelers were advised of Ebola's symptoms and then were allowed to leave.
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Health officials rely on "contact tracing" — locating anyone who may have been exposed, and then anyone who may have come into contact with that person. That may prove impossible, given that other passengers journeyed on to dozens of other cities.
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In Sawyer's case, it appears nothing was done to question him until he fell sick on his second flight with Asky Airlines. An airline spokesman would not comment on what precautions were being taken in the aftermath of Sawyer's journey.

New Fears About Ebola Spread After Plane Scare

Everything I can find says the same thing.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Yeah, and the kicker? He was already under quarantine in Liberia but escaped and flew to Nigeria

Fresh information from Liberia suggests that the late Patrick Sawyer, the first man to die of Ebola in Nigeria, was in fact quarantined by Liberian health authorities prior to boarding a flight to Nigeria.

Patrick Sawyer of LiberiaPatrick Sawyer of Liberia ABC 5 THIS DAY reports that Liberian Minister of State II for Foreign Affairs, Sr. Nurudeen Mohammed, said that this information arose upon discussion of talks between President Johnson-Sirleaf and Nigeria's Ambassador to Liberia, Chigozie Oby-Nadozie. Sawyer's sister had allegedly died of the virus before his trip to Nigeria, a tragedy that is said to have been his method of contracting the virus.

Vice President of ECOWAS, Dr. Toga Mcintosh, further confirmed that Sawyer did in fact flee medical watch placed upon him after his sister's reported death. At a briefing today, Mcintosh said "because he had contact with somebody who died from Ebola, he was quarantined in his own country, but he evaded the quarantine and came to Nigeria."

The minister encourages affected West African countries to come together to combat the crisis, rather than shuffle the responsibility.

Sawyer is reported to have acted erratically and looked sick on CCTV footage from Liberia's James Spriggs Payne airport in Monrovia, Liberia, raising security suspicion there. Despite this, he was allowed to fly out of the country.

These are the people tasked with containing something that might threaten every single person on Earth if it's not brought under control soon. They had him in quarantine, let him escape, and apparently either didn't report his name and picture to the airports, or the airports failed to identify him, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SUSPICIOUS ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOR AT THE AIRPORT IN LIBERIA. I mean really, there were about a hundred opportunities to stop this guy, and they were all missed. I'm not feeling confident about this staying mainly in Africa this time. When the airport security saw he looked sick and acted erratically, they STILL let him fly. Boggles the mind.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Yep...with airports starting to get more scrutiny, and some being closed. Our borders and the black market that gets people to them, are starting to look more and more, as a last chance opportunity to get to the best medical care in the world.

If you show up at any American hospital showing illness, telling them you've been in any of the effected areas of Africa, you know they aren't going to turn you away, or send you packing for no insurance.

Plus many think, (thank you MSM), we have a never ending supply of secret serum that cures ebola overnight.

Des

New updates from the CDC
Interim Guidance for Monitoring and Movement of Persons with Ebola Virus Disease Exposure
CDC

Case Definition for Ebola Virus Disease (EVD)
Updated: August 7, 2014
Cdc

Hold the phone...

Health officials are keeping a close watch on a Delhi resident who arrived from Ghana on a flight in which a passenger tested positive for the deadly Ebola virus ravaging west Africa. The man’s two housemates are also under surveillance.

The Dwarka resident — HT is withholding his name — is being monitored since July 21, two days after he reached the Capital, but has not shown any symptoms of the highly contagious haemorrhagic fever.

“We were alerted by the WHO about him being exposed to the disease. His co-passenger on the flight had tested positive for Ebola. Our surveillance units tracked him down and also examined people living with him,” a health ministry official said.

“Since none of them have shown any symptoms so far, we didn’t get them tested. We have asked them to watch out for any symptoms,” said the official

Ebola scare reaches Delhi, three under watch in Dwarka

I'm on my way into work and I don't have time to dig deeper into this so could you guys please take a closer look?

CDC instructions for packaging blood samples to ship to the CDC for ebola testing:

It's not profitable to make drugs for the poor.
So we need it to invade North America for a drug to be worthwhile manufacturing??

The Ebola Scare is Real

Unfortunately, Western drug firms claim that research on Ebola is not economic because it occurs in poor countries which cannot afford expensive medications. Nevertheless, the US government and three US companies, and the Canadian public health agency have been striving to develop an anti-Ebola drug. The experimental drug given to the two US citizens who contracted the disease has not yet been declared safe for human use. The drug, produced at a small firm in California from tobacco plants, appears to be effective. So far, very little of the drug has been produced.

a reply to: JG1993

Tick, Tick, Tick? Why do you want this to happen?? If others were infected we would already be hearing about it. This guy was in airports and on planes, yet nobody from those flights has ended up in a hospital with Ebola...15 days has gone by. The only people sick so far were the people who came in direct contact with him, mostly the Medical workers who did not know he had Ebola, and he completely lied to them about where he had been.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I can't confirm this story at all. I recognize Hindustan Times as a national paper in India, but I can't find any of their source information for the story...

I find it odd that that story is from an hour after India asked it's citizens to not travel to West Africa and that they were setting screening up in Delhi...

www.telegraphindia.com...-PsSfldUVc

India Today did an article a few hours ago about how Delhi needed to get it's screening online fast...

indiatoday.intoday.in...

None of the other Indian media has picked up this story...

Getting Ebola into the slums of India would be a disaster. I hope this is inaccurate or another case of testing someone who may not have it and they are just being safe.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: JG1993

Tick, Tick, Tick? Why do you want this to happen??

He did not say he wanted it to spread. He is implying it is possibly just a matter of time until more people who came in contact with him or his fluids turn up sick.

If others were infected we would already be hearing about it. This guy was in airports and on planes, yet nobody from those flights has ended up in a hospital with Ebola...15 days has gone by. The only people sick so far were the people who came in direct contact with him, mostly the Medical workers who did not know he had Ebola, and he completely lied to them about where he had been.

No, we would not necessarily hear about it, especially with the efforts to contain panic and reassure a fearful public. Also, since he was not even identified as having ebola until a full DAY after being in the hospital, the plane (and especially the seat and tray table he was using) were not treated as a biohazard and possibly was not even properly disinfected (if you think African docs are undertrained and overworked, imagine the airport sanitation crew ). The materials he used and were used on him in the hospital were not treated as ebola-contaminated, and again, if the doctors at these hospitals are undertrained and overworked and supplies are stretched thin, think about the maintenance crew at the hospitals. There is a very real risk he spread this to far more people than just the medical workers that came in direct contact with him.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I can't confirm this story at all. I recognize Hindustan Times as a national paper in India, but I can't find any of their source information for the story...

That's probably because part of being a journalist is to BE the original source for a story. They talk to people, and then write up the results. There has to be an original source somewhere, and often that's the journalist who did the legwork and found the information.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Right...and at least some of those people would be sick now. 15 days have gone by. On average most of them would have gotten sick by now.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: 00nunya00

Right...and at least some of those people would be sick now. 15 days have gone by. On average most of them would have gotten sick by now.

I bet you like to gamble at the casinos too. Not everyone is exactly the same in how they respond to a disease. I'm not willing to look at a calender and go...yep close enough. This is ebola we are talking about.

Let's say you had to make the choice for someone in your family, or your best friend on what advice to give them regarding hanging out with someone who sat next to a person on a flight with ebola. Would you honestly tell them, well they aren't sick yet, so sure, go hang out with them.

Des

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: 00nunya00

Right...and at least some of those people would be sick now. 15 days have gone by. On average most of them would have gotten sick by now.

Perhaps, perhaps not. We have not reached the 21-day line yet. And again, they may very well have started getting sick, and either do not recognize the possibility they were exposed and therefore won't make the connection, or they may be avoiding medical treatment (that same old well-founded fear that hospitals are where it's spread), or they may even have sought medical treatment but the hospitals are not releasing that information yet until they are confirmed (again, quelling fears and overreactions). The fact is, we will be the last to know if they are sick.

I don't think this was posted in this thread yet.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I still have to watch the whole thing, but I highly recommend you start at 1:45 if you want to get to some amazing comments.

So much for the naysayers and theres nothing to worry about crowd.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Oh really? That's how it works? My point is they used absolutely no names, not even the names of the Health officials. The column is from a journalist that posts one story a month, and from their stories obviously isn't an investigative reporter. Snehil Sinha is listed as "opinion" on the site. So just an opinion columnist.

Like I said, I am hoping this is some journalist making a huge screw up as Ebola in the slums of India would not go down well. Malaria is common there and produces flu like symptoms. People could confuse Ebola for Malaria and entire families would get sick. If it is an accurate story I am hoping it is just precautionary and nobody has Ebola.

I am feverishly trying to source this story. I emailed the editor.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Were we the last to know about the Medical workers? Were we the last to know that airport staff were being monitored? No...

This is every reporters dream. I guarantee you every major network around the world has freelancers out there tracking down people from flights to see if they are healthy. The Network that finds the outbreak first gets the most viewers.

a reply to: raymundoko
a reply to: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: 00nunya00

False Alarm!!!

www.hindustantimes.com...

The article went to a page cannot be displayed, but when I googled it I got that link:

Notice the name of the page:

ebola-scare-in-delhi-turns-out-to-be-a-false-alarm