Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: MrCynic

I was specifically referring to whether it was a respiratory illness or not. It is not and I gave you the direct link to the CDC that says that.

Hmmm.... Something seems wrong with my post.... It's only allowing me to post a very short amount. Hang on.

originally posted by: LrdRedhawk

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: DirtyD

I KNOW! But now you're saying close contact, which has been my point all along. A symptomatic person coughing and sneezing on a packed 6 train in grand central station at rush hour could unwittingly infect countless people through "close contact".

Ebola is not a respiratory disease, there is no reason someone with Ebola should be coughing and sneezing all over people.

A person with Ebola that is contagious will have a high fever, vomiting, and diarrhea. I doubt someone with those symptoms is getting on a train. And if he does...he would have to vomit, poop, or bleed on someone to infect them.

Again, coughing and sneezing are not symptoms or Ebola...there would be no logical reason someone should think that someone with Ebola is going to have the energy to get on a train while they are contagious and then cough and sneeze all over everyone for no reason.

There is no sneezing...there is no coughing associated with Ebola, so to attempt to create a scenario where coughing and sneezing on people is the primary means of transmission doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's a good plot for a movie...but not in reality.

Get your facts straight before you come in here pretending to be an Ebola expert.

Via CDC:

Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Signs and Symptoms

Fever
Headache
Joint and muscle aches
Weakness
Diarrhea
Vomiting
Stomach pain
Lack of appetite
A Rash
Red Eyes
Hiccups
Cough
Sore throat
Chest pain
Difficulty breathing
Difficulty swallowing
Bleeding inside and outside of the body

www.cdc.gov...

My facts are straight, you seem to be trying to mislead people by putting all of those under "symptoms".

In fact, half of those are under a separate list labeled "some patients my experience"...which does not make it a symptom but a complication. Meaning it shows up after symptoms are present.

Let me repeat again, Ebola is not a respiratory disease...hence it doesn't have respiratory SYMPTOMS.

Since those of you who are claiming Ebola is airborne are comfortable using the CDC factsheet as a source...let me point this out from the fact sheet.

When an infection does occur in humans, there are several ways in which the virus can be transmitted to others. These
include:
• direct contact with the blood or secretions of an infected person
• exposure to objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected secretions

I don't see any airborne transmission on there...I don't see sneezes or coughs as a mode of transmission.

So since you guys are using this as a source...please believe your own source.

a reply to: raymundoko

Perhaps you and I simply crossed understanding. No, I looked back and you never said coughing was not a part of it. Someone else did. I also never referred to it having or not having a respiratory disease status. That was second to my concern about a symptom or not to be seen in a patient.

I don't care about making points. I'm scared. I have no shame in admitting that. This disease scares me to my toenails and anyone who it doesn't have that effect on just doesn't know enough about it yet. It's a horrible horrible thing.

So, it matters to me that basic information like the symptoms someone may well show are at least accurate. They may not show all of them. Bleeding out is symbolic and downright synonymous with Ebola, yet IT appears on the second list of "Signs and Symptoms" as well. No hard feelings. It's a subject many of us feel passion about.

did it again

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: kruphix

If you go into the ER and you are coughing and sneezing...they are not going to suspect Ebola at all. Even if you have a fever and all you have is a fever, coughing and sneezing...they won't suspect Ebola...because Ebola is not a respiratory disease.

This certainly does not bode well towards easing the minds of those concerned about an outbreak. It seems like you are saying a coughing/sneezing Ebola-infected person may go undetected/untested because they happen to be coughing or sneezing, since it is not a respiratory disease. CDC does not say persons infected with Ebola will not cough or sneeze.

If someone goes into the ER with a fever and a cough, no they are not going to suspect Ebola because they have no reason to suspect Ebola.

If someone goes into the ER with a fever, headache, vomiting and/or diarrhea...plus they are sneezing or coughing, yes they will suspect Ebola.

a reply to: raymundoko

WH: I’m envisioning a scenario where someone sneezes on the subway and suddenly everyone who rides the 7 train (like I do) becomes infected.
Dr. Basler:
The idea that it can be spread on the subway by a sneeze is relatively unlikely.

Note his choice of words -- "relatively unlikely" is not a very strong statement. He did not say impossible. I don't think anyone here suspects that a single person is going to infect the entire train car with a sneeze or cough, but just a handful is enough to cause a real problem.

I lived in NYC for 7 years, and one thing I can say for certain is the subway is grossly unhygienic. People cough into their hands, wipe/pick their noses, then grab the handrails all day long. I've vomited on trains (hey I was in college) and you know what? People didn't flock off the car, they moved to the other end. People still got on. The only thing I've seen that completely clears a car is the nastiest of bums.

a reply to: kruphix

Duly noted. Moving on.

Wait a minute....so you can't get infected secretions from a cough or a sneeze?!?

So if all the doctors that treated sawyer, are now showing symptoms of ebola, 4 of them I believe, did they all not properly suit up, when they knew exactly what they were dealing, could all 4 of them not taken every precaution, also the second ebola patient/doctor that was returned to Atlanta, it was reported that she took every precaution as well.

Now its not to say mistakes are not made, and under the conditions, it still doesn't explain these 4 related to sawyer, hard time believing not one of them took every precaution in relation to the symptoms when dealing with sawyer.

No avatar, but not a troll either. lol.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: LrdRedhawk

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: DirtyD

I KNOW! But now you're saying close contact, which has been my point all along. A symptomatic person coughing and sneezing on a packed 6 train in grand central station at rush hour could unwittingly infect countless people through "close contact".

Ebola is not a respiratory disease, there is no reason someone with Ebola should be coughing and sneezing all over people.

A person with Ebola that is contagious will have a high fever, vomiting, and diarrhea. I doubt someone with those symptoms is getting on a train. And if he does...he would have to vomit, poop, or bleed on someone to infect them.

Again, coughing and sneezing are not symptoms or Ebola...there would be no logical reason someone should think that someone with Ebola is going to have the energy to get on a train while they are contagious and then cough and sneeze all over everyone for no reason.

There is no sneezing...there is no coughing associated with Ebola, so to attempt to create a scenario where coughing and sneezing on people is the primary means of transmission doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's a good plot for a movie...but not in reality.

Get your facts straight before you come in here pretending to be an Ebola expert.

Via CDC:

Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Signs and Symptoms

Fever
Headache
Joint and muscle aches
Weakness
Diarrhea
Vomiting
Stomach pain
Lack of appetite
A Rash
Red Eyes
Hiccups
Cough
Sore throat
Chest pain
Difficulty breathing
Difficulty swallowing
Bleeding inside and outside of the body

www.cdc.gov...

My facts are straight, you seem to be trying to mislead people by putting all of those under "symptoms".

In fact, half of those are under a separate list labeled "some patients my experience"...which does not make it a symptom but a complication. Meaning it shows up after symptoms are present.

Let me repeat again, Ebola is not a respiratory disease...hence it doesn't have respiratory SYMPTOMS.

Maybe you need pictures, some people do...



You guys are just a 2-man wrecking crew, aren't you?

a reply to: alphacenturi

No, they did not properly suit up. He lied about where he had been, they were skin to skin with the guy...

a reply to: MrCynic

This disease scares me to my toenails and anyone who it doesn't have that effect on just doesn't know enough about it yet. It's a horrible horrible thing.

What makes it so horrible? The flu kills many more people every single year and it is highly contagious.

This is hard to transmit, kills very few people every year, and can be contained with isolation and good medical practices. And now we have at least one serum that treats it, they also think blood transfusions from survivors can help, and it has also been said that a vaccine probably isn't very far off.

What makes Ebola so horrible? Specifically, what makes it so much worse than any other virus that can kill you?

WHO considering emerging decree on Ebola

Scrambling to get ahead of the worst outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus, the World Health Organization announced Wednesday that it was considering the declaration of an international public health emergency and would convene a panel of experts in coming days to explore the use of experimental treatments for the incurable disease.

a reply to: kruphix

What makes Ebola so horrible? Specifically, what makes it so much worse than any other virus that can kill you?

The flu preys on the young, old, and weak. Ebola kills healthy people at a very high rate. That is what makes it scary.

originally posted by: 00nunya00
WHO considering emerging decree on Ebola

Scrambling to get ahead of the worst outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus, the World Health Organization announced Wednesday that it was considering the declaration of an international public health emergency and would convene a panel of experts in coming days to explore the use of experimental treatments for the incurable disease.

Yep...and with Africa screaming for some of the miracle secret serum that the media has touted over and over. This is now being established to see who will get some. Africa is not looking good for getting any, according to the CDC.

The Centers for Disease control and prevention says it's not likely the drug will become available for patients in West Africa.

"The product is still in an experimental stage, and the manufacturer reports that there is a very limited supply, so it cannot be purchased and is not available for general use," the CDC said.

The World Health Organization will convene a medical ethics panel early next week to answer questions about whom should receive ZMapp, given that it is in limited supply.

"We have a disease with a high fatality rate without any proven treatment or vaccine," said Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny, assistant director-general at WHO.

"We need to ask the medical ethicists to give us guidance on what the responsible thing to do is," she said
www.cnn.com...

Who wants to place bets on the DOD having a say in this matter.

Des

a reply to: kruphix

Maybe you could ask the CDC. Ask them if Ebola is so hard to get and apparently isn't so bad why they would be taking so many precautions not to let it spread. Why are they at airports looking for possible signs of it? They've never done that for the flu that I know of. So if Ebola is such a walk in the park, why are the professionals treating it as if it were a legitimate disease?

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