Jury Awards Ventura $1.8M In Defamation Case

Nvm, misread the post.

a reply to: Swills

The rich get richer. That's all well and good. I have no problem with someone making money, but I've lost some respect for good old governor Ventura. $1.8 million for that? A lot of poor people would be content with an apology and a disclaimer in the book stating that the book is NOT referring to them. Go figure.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I'm on a crappy phone, so it's difficult to quote. But... I'm pretty sure we can be confident that Jessie is right. I imagine there was enough evidence to prove libel. Libel and slander are difficult to prove because you have to prove a negative. Either way, I still don't think he should receive $1.8 million for it.

Weird - with 11 defense witnesses who backed Kyle's story, sounds to me like the story he told is more-or-less true, but that publicizing it did damage to Ventura's career. That' hardly rises to the level of "vindication."

I think that ridiculously amateurish "Conspiracy Theory" show could adequately explain his career trajectory.

Whatever the truth of the matter is, I hope Jesse can get by on that award, because, with this lawsuit, he just shot his career in the head (although there are certainly those who'll continue to support him, being as he's a "celebrity" who'll embrace pretty much every fringe conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, and thus "validates" their own beliefs in those theories.)

Chris Kyle barely profited, if profited AT ALL from his book, almost all of it went to wounded warriors and other veteran charities.

Jesse Ventura was never a legitimate Navy Seal, and didn't even see battle in Vietnam. He deserves absolutely zero respect, he only gets it here because he's just as loopy as half of the nut-wings on this board. I mean seriously, have any of you ever watched his show? It's a complete joke. Maybe if he didn't constantly cite his career in the military as some kind of respect token I would give him more of a chance.

Chris Kyle's wife had the entire incident paid for by insurance designed for a case such as this, i'm happy about that.

Stay ignorant everyone.

a reply to: lonweld

I understand your point, but there's a big difference between death and hurt feelings.

I believe Kyle lied about being in New Orleans after Katrina and lied about the gas station shootings, there's nothing to back up his story.

The bar fight happened. Many people in the NSW community saw it happen, and have been vocal about it.

I'm not saying Ventura has absolutely no case legally, my disdain for him is based on his character, still pursuing this case after the man died and putting his family through hell once again.

His popularity was declining we'll before the book came out, I truly believe he saw an opportunity and seized it. That's been my point. He has made himself look bad to far more people than he would have looked for simply getting punched in a bar fight.

I posted this in another thread that was closed. I'd like to see if anyone can comment on it.

Ya know, I was listening to Glenn Beck this morning and reading some things on the web and this entire "stealing from his widow" comment kept coming up over and over again. Beck also attempted to discredit Ventura even more by bringing up the conspiracy theory aspect.

So I'd like to ask, why is the conservative machine so against Ventura? Is it because Kyle was an outspoken "conservative" and member of the military? If a court found Kyle to have been at fault in this case, shouldn't those that profit from the lie be held accountable?

And why are the folks on the right taking the emotional route and falling back on the widow aspect?

I'm confused by their reaction on this. Someone explain this to me, please.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Glen Beck is a Clear Channel puppet who does what he's told. Ironically enough, even Beck dips into the conspiracy pool from time to time so for him to use that against Ventura shows ya he has nothing on Jesse. Baseless attacks, as seen in this thread, is all the haters have left. Kyle was their golden ticket to burying Jesse and now they have nothing.

a reply to: JohnFisher

Funny you say that because that's all that Jesse wanted from the beginning, a redaction and an apology, but both Kyle and later his wife refused to comply forcing Ventura to follow through with the lawsuit.

As far as the 1.8 million, I'm sure a good chunk of it will pay for his legal fees and maybe the rest he'll donate. What Ventura wanted was his name cleared of Kyle's lies.

a reply to: LiberLegit

Chris Kyle barely profited, if profited AT ALL from his book, almost all of it went to wounded warriors and other veteran charities.

He profited to the tune of $6 million dollars, his percentage based on the publishers book sales of $40 million. Only $50K has gone to any of the other families, $26,000 to Debbie Lee, who was one of Kyle's witnesses and also offered her own version of the events, which didn't jibe with the versions offered by Kyle or other witnesses. In addition to the multimillion in profits from the book there are the paid appearances and the movie deal based on the book. So it would appear that Chris Kyle had intended to profit quite handsomely from the tales he spun.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

So I'd like to ask, why is the conservative machine so against Ventura? Is it because Kyle was an outspoken "conservative" and member of the military? If a court found Kyle to have been at fault in this case, shouldn't those that profit from the lie be held accountable?

Because Ventura is a very outspoken critic of the Iraq war, and a constant reminder of the Bush Admin. failings and lies to get us into that war. Question the war, and you question the integrity of those who fight it - at least that sums up the attitude of the Fox talking heads, from Beck to O'Reilly who have had it in for Ventura ever since he first bashed Bush.

a reply to: sheepslayer247
I think the MSM talking heads fear Jesse Ventura because he did something back in '98 that scared the major parties spitless---he won a statewide election without spending millions of dollars. Then he did something even more scary to them---ran a state efficiently in an honorable manner for four years then walked away, not seeking further political power. That kind of man scares those who don't understand honor so their base instincts tell them to attempt to destroy that which is threatening to them. If they are allowed to carry on, this boondoggle of political corruption might be brought to a screeching halt and what would all the scum from the Republicrats and Demopublicans do?
Now, for those telling him what to do with his award for damages---it's HIS money, who gave you the right to tell him how to spend it?

neo96
posted on Jul, 30 2014 @ 12:35
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a reply to: dazbog

Yo all anyone has to do is drag up his videos on Youtube to see the 'false accusations' he has made.

But that is 'acceptable'.

I love his DEFAMATORY comments about the last administration and the Iraq war.

Ventura 'stands for freedom' !
Theres a couple of examples.

Apparently not as the topic clearly shows.




Well neo96
I watched both the youtube vids and I heard no " false accusations " .
Ref V comment on Iraq war. Spot on ! Nothing in those two vids IMHO remotely damaged his reputation.
If anything, those interviews made him more credible.
Apparently you believe otherwise . You will need to be more specific.
Or simply man-up and say you just don't like him.
Talking heads who have focused on the wife ? Cheap shoots attempting to elicit an emotional response.
Nothing personal Neo just my two cents.

So let me see if I understand this.

Ventura gets nearly $2 million for a lie. Meanwhile a man was literally raped by LEO's and health care workers and gets 925,000 (well deserved) dollars?

WTF is wrong with you people and the American justice system? Some fading star schmuck shedding crocodile tears has his 'sterling' reputation tarnished and received twice the settlement of a man was literally FISTED for nonexistent drugs!

Link to ATS thread: Drug Warriors in New Mexico go too far

a reply to: Lipton

What? One has nothing to do with the other. Not all cases are the same (duh) and I have no idea what you're talking about but I do hope those police were actually brought to justice, you know prison.

It's obvious you don't like Ventura but please take your silly arguments out of here.

originally posted by: Swills
What? One has nothing to do with the other. Not all cases are the same (duh) and I have no idea what you're talking about but I do hope those police were actually brought to justice, you know prison.

I'm juxtaposing two threads that are currently being discussed here on ATS regarding the settlements that were awarded to two different individuals for damages; one who had his feelings hurt and one who was 'deflowered'...

It's obvious you don't like Ventura but please take your silly arguments out of here.

Nope. An example of a silly argument is pretending like 'defaming' Ventura is worth ~$2million

a reply to: Lipton

No you're not. You're attacking Ventura while being way off topic. This thread is about Jesse and his lawsuit. You do know he's a member of this site, even has his own forum, right? Either way, it doesn't matter, stay on topic and keep your toxic attitude at bay.

Thanks.

a reply to: Lipton

Cause one case had better lawyers going against a maybe not so good one and the other had a lawyer going against a police department

For strictly entertainment purposes because Jesse is an Entertainer amongst other things,and he brings a large Flask of Conspiracy with him wherever he goes.

Slim possibility that a Seal was on a counter Psy-Op mission, that Jesse Ventura could not forsee his death so he defended himself with the lawsuit, he didnt expect to be winning a Settlement from a Dead brothers Wife.But "someone knew" this dynamic would play out this way,it seems Navy and is layered like another Event we all know about,someone created a PLAN, one with a dynamic pattern, the Seals death and Jesses win were "off-the-cuff" decisons that were not part of the Primary Template of the action. Call the impacts these things created fortuitous targets of opportunity,secondary options to the Primary ones.Ultimately Jesse cannot change how this win makes him look , the avenue of asking exactly how Dr.Strangeglove Jesse sueing in the first place were and how much the man he was sueing would have been worth had he not had income from a "book",I am not walking this close to where everyone eats when it is dark out.


This is text-book Navy/CIA co-operation from a Dynamic signiture standpoint.Someone paved the way to that books sucess the same way Oswald ended up working in the TSBR,and the Patsy Playaction and linear support were to close to be Cat-Whiskers.The question any Tacticlly trained mind would ask is this....if the dynamic pattern and actions are similar and both Oswald and the Deceased Seal were the Patsies, then we must deduce that there is still one target to be determined,the shooting lanes are being defined and the Chute is closing in, this is the Rollercoaster type of action that is needed to shake even the most Vigilant Minds.

Whoever this dynamic pressure is being put on must be difficult to get off-keel because a PLATINUM Card was used to Pay for this operation.

Jesses needs to Pass the Dutchie on the Right Hand Side and let the settlement slip away and silently fall below the surface serenaded by the current.He needs to Step Back,Square his Shoulders and plant his feet then begin EVENING HIS KEEL so he can scan like a Predator must, he needs to even the dynamic speed of things that are happening which are beyond his control,triggers, the hour is late and the Watch has been long but an Old Soldier never closes both eyes even when he sleeps.

The ground just dont feel right Jesse,sometimes 359 degrees of even-keel are better than one degree of uncertainty,sometimes one must act BEFORE the lightening even sparks to turn and burn in time.Every bump even fun ones have a way up and a way down and you can have input into both of those directions speed and impacts if you choose to focus on an EVEN-KEEL.


I would surprise the Crowd and Bail off of this dynamic Ride ASAP,and do so by simply letting the entire issue slip away silently into the night by negating the impact on HIS own life,by not allowing it to change his fiscal position even a bit,put the money side of the settlement back where it belongs,someone gave that poor family that money so they could use it again , someone put THEM on a Dynamic Rollercoaster of their own, we are walking in the jungle now Juggie.Dont give them so much room to build shooting lanes ,keep your gear tight and your stride narrow and arrow straight now.



Hows that for running away with the moment huh?

Everyone has a real life and sometimes the things we have to become a part of to be living full lives are not as pleasant as we would like them to be,Lawsuits are always ugly, there is not always a Winner and this is what we should note,this anomoly.Some of still believe a Man must earn his money,our Fathers and our Mothers all tried to teach us this.I am sure MANY of us can sleep well knowing that a Sheepdog will never eat from another dogs bowl, but some things will,and that there are ALWAYS more Sheepdogs around than even the Alpha Wolf can see, it is natures way,how else do you catch a WOLF, or give it religon?More importantly which thing would you be hunting if you were setting up a Bowl,a Sheepdog or a Wolf? We are what we act.Even a Wolf can find religon sniffing round a free meal,there really is no such thing as a free lunch.

originally posted by: LiberLegit
Chris Kyle barely profited, if profited AT ALL from his book, almost all of it went to wounded warriors and other veteran charities.

Except AT THE TRIAL, Taya Kyle said she had only so far distributed about 50K of the over 3 million dollars to 'wounded warriors and other charities', because of 'tax issues'. It was pointed out that setting up a nonprofit would have fixed that issue and she said she hadn't had time... it's been a year and a half; with that kind of money coming in, she could have hired a lawyer to set up the nonprofit in, oh, one phone call?

Meanwhile, the book has sold over 1 million copies and there's been a huge movie deal but people are still calling her the poor widow.

She was married to a mass murderer who was proud of his killings, started a business with the phrase 'sometimes violence does solve problems' and called the people he blew away, who were only protecting their country against invaders, 'subhumans'.

Yeah, nice guy. Big hero. Poor wifey.